Is Tone In Your Hands Or Equipments?

Discussion in 'The Tone Zone' started by arayadis, Apr 28, 2019.

  1. rick16v

    rick16v Well-Known Member

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    Can't believe I'm getting involved :rofl:. Their playing may sound great and sound like them. But the tone will still suck.
     
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    Remember that movie, God told me to?
     
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  3. Alter

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    Why not phrase the thread title:

    Is Tone In Your Hands Or Equipments or Both?

    :thumbs:
     
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    Good news!
    If you suck at playing guitar, just buy a bunch of effects pedals.
    Then get some Seymour Duncan pickups.
    Then you will sound just like Jimmy Hendrix, and nobody will notice that you can't play.
    It helps if you turn it up really loud and drown out the band, and the singer.
    Oh yeah: buy a booster pedal so you can "cut through."

    You are well on your way to being a rock star. Problem solved.
     
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    This... sounds familiar ???

    http://www.marshallforum.com/threads/tone.109471/#post-1874139
     
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    Timbre [aka tone color or tone quality] is the psychoacoustician's multidimensional waste-basket category for everything that cannot be labeled pitch or loudness. (McAdams and Bregman 1979, 34; cf. Dixon Ward 1965, 55 and Tobias 1970, 409).

    Bizarrely, I was taught that timbre does not depend on pitch or volume, being concerned with 'quality', whereas tone referred specifically to pitch, with the caveat that musicians often used it to refer to aspects of timbre as well, especially those pertaining to the character of the sound.

    However - this WAS in the seventies whilst studying Electronic Music & Use Of Studio at the Cockpit Theatre under Howard "Harley" Davidson [ HD studied under Tristram Cary alongside Laurence Casserly, 'Harley' was our (Blitzfish's) nickname for him...] and we were more concerned with Peter Zinovieff, Peter Cockerell and Tristram Cary's wondrous VCS-3 to pay much attention to the niceties of tone and timbre in guitar/amp set-ups...
     
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    Metroman Well-Known Member

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    Tone, comes from BOTH hands, and equipment.
     
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    mickeydg5 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    What, who, wait. Wait a minute. Which thread is this? There are too many of these to keep up with around here! :scream: :run:
     
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    Here how about this, start a new thread with a sticky called The Official Tone Is In The Hands Thread :noplease:
     
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    My finger hurts. My tone is suffering. Change gear, finger still hurts, tone still suffering. Conclusion.....don't hit your finger with a hammer= better tone.
     
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    Tone is in the metal :
     
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    You ever notice that the guys who are with the 'tone is in the 'hands' camp, are either good players, or are better entertainers than players-- who use really good gear, or players-- who's playing and/or tone(s) suck, or who's proficiency and tone are unavailable as a frame of reference, or guys who conflate discussing the tone with the level of fretboard proficiency, and writing proficiency, or entertainment proficiency, and who never discuss how modeling addresses the hole in their narrative?
    • Players do the playing, and Instruments do the sounding.
    • ALL gear are merely tools to accomplish a specific range of tones, and volume
    • The BEST gear does't guarantee great tone... It only presents an opportunity to achieve a range of specific tones-- which if not available-- no amount of technique makes it available
    • Writing, Playing, Entertaining, Engineering gear, and Producing are separate 'Arts' in and of themselves
    • If tone were in the hands, why spend anything on a guitar, amp, fx etc... Just crank up your air guitar?
    • Proficiency on the fretboard doesn't mean you can write anything worth listening to, nor mean you can produce something sonically pleasing nor entertaining
    • Proficiency at writing, doesn't equal proficiency on the instrument, nor good tone
    • Proficiency on the instrument doesn't mean they are entertaining
    • There are AMAZING players with lame tone (a subjective thing, I admit) ex. Steve Howe
    • There are players whose tone is of a higher caliber than their playing
    • Tone requires both a player playing, (OBVIOUSLY using gear) using the gear-- which is what does the sounding
     
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    I think people confuse players performance and attitude with their actual tone...
    .... but then.... no hands, no tone...
     
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    Before Internet Forums we knew the answer to that.
     
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    Same fingers, and stylistically sounds like him-- but his tone sucks compared to when he uses his pro gear because... duh, Gear matters, or players would be using air guitars. The only tone in anyone's fingers is when they're clapping, snapping their fingers, using their fingers to whistle or making hand/arm farts.
     
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  17. tallcoolone

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    Some are guitar players, some are guitar gear shoppers

    If you get yourself a new amp, do you post clips of how it sounds or do you post artsy pictures of it?
     
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    Love this
     

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