Is There A Low Watt Class A Fender(ish) Amp Head

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  1. mtm105

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    I dig clones. I’m enjoying. Super Champ X2. Prefer Made in USA.

    Bassman too over the top? Can you get low wattage tone from it?

    I would imagine the market would be overflowing with Fender type Blues Amp heads. Not too sure about new Bass Balls, or whatever it’s called.

    Why won’t Victoria produce an Amp Head?

    I don’t dig combos. I like being able to swap Cabs.

    Bandmaster? I do not know Fender Amps all to well. Just enough.
     
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    I've frequently wondered why you can't readily get low wattage Fender voiced amps and I think it's to do with gain/breakup. People want Marshall voiced amps as low wattage heads to get that tone at reasonable volumes. With Fender voiced heads they want clean headroom which means higher wattage....
     
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    The only class A Fender amp I know of is the Champ; all others mentioned are class AB push pull. Lots of people say the Champ sounds too compressed which may be true but there is a solution to this... Change the output stage to fixed bias; yes it can be done on a single output tube class A amp. The plate voltage just has to be lowered so the tube remains within its operating specs. Changing to fixed bias will really tighten up the sound of an amp. For even more, change from tube rectification to ss (1N4007) rectification
     
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    Basically any 50 Watt Fender can be changed to 18 watts by making the output triode.
     
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    Super Sonic 22 is way to go, but I read earlier releases had issues. That’s why I always avoided Fenders. Great tone, cheaply built.

    There’s gotta be an alternative.

    If not, the world is a stupid place.
     
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    A Princeton reverb sounds glorious through a 1960 cab.
     
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    Yeah a BB 007. 7 watts.

    Straight in with my EC1000 Loaded with DiMarzio SD bridge and Joe PAF in neck. Lots of turds played but I adjust amp EQ as well as guitar pup changes. I find this class A amp fun to play.

     
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    Just put a jack/plug in the speaker wire if it don't already have one.
     
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    Your Super Champ is probably the best mini head Fender makes, its all tube although a hybrid it has power and pre tubes, just a bit of modeling trickery for all those voices it comes with. The only other Fender I would consider is the Bassbreaker which is a killer amp, the 15 watt version is full featured. Most Fender heads are gonna be too loud for home use, I got rid of my Bandmaster for that reason. Take a look on Guitar Center at their Fender heads for an idea whats out there, I see alot of older heads going for around $1K and up if you want to spend that much, I wouldnt, I'd rather go for the Bassbreaker. Unless youre going for the Fender pristine cleans thing then like you said a Bassman or a Deluxe Reverb head, you can play them at low volume and if you want breakup throw an OD pedal in front of it.
     
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    I pulled out my NACE Class A 18 Watts point-to-point. Plugged into WGS Green Berets. EL-84s.

    It's calming my Fender GAS. Can't find a better sound for the $. Just pure tone. More on the Marshall end. Old school tone.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I'm pretty sure the SL5 is class A, but only comes in a combo.
     
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    You want a Fender-ish small Class A amp custom built for you, with your choice of options, with direct contact (email mostly) with the guy who's going to handwire your amp? At a very reasonable cost?

    https://www.frenzeltubeamps.com/

    I had an older Champ Plus head. Spectacular. Went broke and had to sell it; miss it every day. Not in the current lineup, but the Champ Super Sportster is similar. I hope to buy something similar from him soon.
     
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    The supersonic definitely have issues.
    The foot switch cable shorted the amp out, and all goofy stuff.
    But normally Fender amps are built pretty good.

    I had this Supersonic 22 in the shop-
    and whenever the foot switch cable was plugged in, smoke would come out of the amp. :lol::lol::lol: for real.

    It's the "junior" Fender amps that are cheaply built. Like "Blues Junior." If it has junior in the name, then you know it's not a professional amp.
    Like the Acusti-sonic Junior.
    Those are the ones that break easily.
     
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    OMG you have a shop... Can you be a good community member and tell us where this place is that we should avoid?
     
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    Ive got a vht special 6 head , people say it's close to a champ in design . It's very loud and very clean ( for 6 watts ) but I've never used a fender amp so I can't say it sounds like one for sure . It could be what you're looking for , hand wired , birch ply £110 delivered , enough said .
     
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    I am a Fender authorized technician for life, and I do not need or want your business.
    I only work on equipment for professionals, which leaves you out of the picture.

    So take your Boss distortion pedal and your Crate amp somewhere else.
     
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    I had a Champ, and I put Marshall 50 transformers in it, with a 10" JBL.
    No longer Class A. It would have needed water cooling.
     
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    You didn't tell us the name of your 'shop'
     

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