HSS Wiring Diagram

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  1. SkyMonkey

    SkyMonkey Well-Known Member

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    Has anyone got a wiring diagram for a Fender style 5-way, HSS set where the 2 position is for the bridge split only (i.e. no middle pickup involvement)?
    Middle + split bridge I have at the moment is too weak. I want to avoid push/pull.

    1. Bridge Hum
    2. Bridge split
    3. Middle single
    4. Neck + Middle singles
    5. Neck single

    Cheers guys.
     
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    Is that a thing with a regular switch?


    IIRC that's like the oddball Ibanez settings that only work because they use a special proprietary switch that's internally different
     
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    So you think it can't be done with a Fender 5-way?

    Maybe a P/P is the only way.
     
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    I heard that the special variants with alternative 5way options are essentially the so-called "superswitch", but with certain connections prewired internally so it's not a 24(or whatever#) gazillion pole switch
     
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    Yes it needs a special 5-way switch, not just a standard one.
     
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    Cheers @mickeydg5, I have been scouring the internet, and that site is usually my go-to, but they all involve the middle in the 2 position.

    I have been finding wiring solutions that use one Strat tone pot as a blending pot instead.
    My guitar is only Vol./Tone, but I literally never use the tone pot (always on full) so to sacrifice that would be no problem.
    Anyone used a blending pot wiring?

    Here is one:

    blendedHSSstrat180325[1].gif
     
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    Good option!

    That's one of mine. Here's the write up on Guitarnuts:

    http://guitarnuts2.proboards.com/thread/8244/simple-blended-strat-series-parallel
     
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    Cheers @JohnH (nice diagram).

    I am still looking for a simpler wiring option that uses the standard Fender 5-way.
    This was on the Lindy Fralin site, and I am assuming it will blend in/out one of the coils of the humbucker, but there is no explicit explanation.

    Lindy Fralin blend.JPG

    The other option may be one of the Schaller Megaswitches for a HS, with the middle on a blend.
     
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    Is the humbucker a four wire conductor . If you have single coils why do you want to split the humbucker
     
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    Yes it is: Tone Zone.
    To have a split bridge on its own.
     
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    Do you have 1 or 2 tone pots. If you have 2 tone and use a standard 5-way switch and coil split in position 2, then you lose the ability to have tone control on one of your pickups. To maintain tone on all, and coil split, you need the Super switch.

    On a side note, I recently rewired my HSS Strat with a superswitch and a push/pull pot. With this configuration when I’m in position 1, full humbucker, if I pull the tone pot up it splits the coil so now I have a single coil in position 1. Position 2 auto-splits the humbucker so now I’m running bridge and middle singles for that Strat quack.

    The one thing I don’t like about this setup is Strat knobs are not really easy to pull up - your fingers want to slide off. So I’m either going to put the knob on my drill and file a groove around the circumference of it and put a small O Ring in to give me something to grip, or rewire it with a mini-toggle and disconnect the push/pull feature of the pot. Something to think about if you ever decide to go down this path.
     
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    Interesting that your signal is weak. I’m using a DiMarzio Tonezone in my Strat too and it is not weak at all. Just a refresher to double check, and if you know this already I mean no insult, but with DiMarzio the Green and bare wires go to ground, the White and Black wires are tied together for humbucker, and taken to ground to coil split, and the Red wire goes to the pickup side of the switch.

    A friend of mine bought the Seymour Duncan Hot Rails for his Strat and asked me to wire it for him. It’s a nice pickup for a Strat Humbucker, but it has a very subtle quack in position 2. I was surprised the Tonezone was better than the Hot Rails for this.
     
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    And shielding the inside of the guitar too I would.
    To plan that out (if it's possible) you need the diagram of the HSS switch.
    You might be able to use the switch to accomplish what you wanted...
    But normally I use a PP pot to switch between HB and split coils.
    Actually I try to avoid using any PU in single coil mode. (too much noise)
    Then I try to use a PP pot to reverse the phase of the middle PU.
     
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    What he said. ^^^
    Use a p/p potentiometer for coil split operation.
     
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    Fender part number: 099-2251-000, 4 pole 5 position.
    5waytop.png
    5waybottom.png
     
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    Thats a super switch. :)
    It was in his blender diagram.
    He can get his switching combination with that by putting the bridge on one set while the middle and neck are on the other.
     
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    Cheers guys.
    I should have probably stated all this in the 1st post.
    The guitar has 1 vol and 1 tone (that I always have on full).
    I am trying to avoid push/pull pots for 2 reasons:
    1. I have found that all p/ps available in the UK have a very slack potentiometer operation. Just a preference but I prefer the stiffer CTS pots I installed, and their p/ps are rare in Europe for some reason.
    2. I already have a guitar with 3 p/p pots (2 splits & 1 master parallel), they spin like tops, and the wiring is a nightmare for an amateur like me.

    The control cavity is shielded.

    The Pickups are 2 x EMG S3 (stacks) and a Tone Zone.
    I have checked the TZ wiring and it is good.

    I have messed around with the wiring of this guitar quite a lot and decided to connect all the pickups with terminal block connectors as a quick change system.

    So I like the sounds from all positions except pos. 2 (middle + bridge split).
    Position 2 sounds quieter than position 4 (N + M).
    So I just never use it.

    What @ampmadscientist has touched upon is phasing.
    Is it possible that the pups are out of phase in pos. 2?
    Another reason may be if position 2 uses half the stacked S3 and half the TZ?
    I'm not sure, but I thought I only set to split the TZ.

    The diagram by @JohnH does use a Superswitch, but I am trying to stick with the installed parts I have.

    The Fralin diagram looks the most promising to me (minus the 2nd tone).
     
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    I think you can do it with the 4 pole 5 pos switch.
    You will need to make a different wiring diagram but you can still do it.
    But reverse phase you might have to do something else.
    I like to keep all the PUs humbucking, and reverse the phase of the middle PU when it's needed.
    This gives the "squawk" sound without using single coils.
     
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    I love hss on a Strat, it's the perfect balance IMO. I have a bunch of schemes, but here's one that is my all-time favorite and it's been on my Strat for 7 years unchanged.

    http://guitarnuts2.proboards.com/thread/6873/strat-ssm2-hss-sounds-dpdt

    It uses all standard parts including the stock 5 way, one small toggle added.

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    I play this one every day.

    It does all the singles, plus every hum-cancelling pair of coils, in series or parallel. But you can also set and forget it, as a simple hss Strat.

    If you also follow the link at the start to one called SSM, it's even simpler, no added switch
     
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