Here’s Why This Vintage Forum Gets Inappropriate Traffic

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  1. paul hancher

    paul hancher Well-Known Member

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    not disagreeing but even the word “antique” is subject to interpretation. good arguments have been made that the descriptive antique is properly applied when a item is 100+ years old. if this was the case then it could not be applied to guitar amps as they did not appear until the late 1920’s (won’t be long though).

    should technology be the determination then? which technology? field effect speakers, tube rectification, transistor power stage, digital, modeling?

    who makes the rules and why/ how did they get to that position?
     
  2. 67Mopar

    67Mopar Well-Known Member

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    Used liberally, the term "vintage" should be restricted to consumable items; that improve with age, and/or recede in quality with age. e.g. Cheese, wine, liquor, ale, etc... Just my opinion.

    I try not to use synonyms and antonyms. I suppose I'm a bit of an antique...
     
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  3. paul hancher

    paul hancher Well-Known Member

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    it is also not just a function of time that determines vintage but also a change in materials used and/or construction techniques. examples include:

    * point-to -point or turret board vs. printed circuit board
    * tube vs. solid state rectification
    * alnico vs. ceramic speakers

    also older is not always better.
     
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  4. 67Mopar

    67Mopar Well-Known Member

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    Modern PTP construction can actually be more problematic vs PCB. Lead-free solder is tougher to work with, and requires increased heat. RoHS compliant components are designed to withstand the increase in heat, but a lot of the China made components don't match in quality; compared to their formerly USA made counterparts. Not using a heatsink, combined with leaving the iron on-point too long, can result in prematurely aged, and/or damaged components.

    Quality depends on viable components, of course, but, it also requires a competent hand at construction. At TTI Testron, we used flow table (for mass production soldering) to exact temperature, and exposure time. One of my coworkers was the son of Dr. Hook! He use to wear the same hat as his dad. Maybe is was his, I don't know? Anyway... PCB construction quality will easily exceed that of an ineptly constructed PTP device.

    Old (vintage/antique) amplifiers aren't my first choice, unless they contain the original transformers. PCB Marshall's can be easily converted to PTP. I did this 1987S models several years ago... Original iron w/homemade turret board. Should have kept this one, but like an idiot, I sold it for no logical reason. The company that made the actually board had never done a 1987 board before, so I had to create a template with turret position points. I still have the template. The amplifier however, is gone. :(

    Why I didn't run the jumpers under the board, I have no idea? :shrug:

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  5. myersbw

    myersbw Well-Known Member

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    Well, what about categorizing to the genre? :p

    Surf Vintage
    Country Vintage
    Rock Vintage
    Metal Vintage
    Punk Vintage
    ....then there's always Idiotic Vintage for all other amps that nobody wants or cares for even if they do have roots in the 60's!
     
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    mickeydg5 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    The use of classic is another one.
     
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  7. GIBSON67

    GIBSON67 Well-Known Member

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    If you are selling gear then it is vintage and rare...more $$$. And if you're buying gear then it is old and worn-out, needs restoring....less $$$.
     
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  8. ampmadscientist

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    Yes,
    the "vintage" section need to have a special pass card.
    Only certain people with certain year amps should be allowed to use it ! And who decides? They DO!
    And keep those filthy non-pass card ordinary amp owners out of the snob section.
    We would hate to do this "great disservice" to cork-sniffers who prefer not to mingle with the common folk.
    "Only my amp can be called Vintage because: I said it was, and I said anybody else's (That's not the same as mine) isn't."
    :lol::lol::lol:
    Oh believe me, I understand what you are getting at. That's the biiiiig problem.
     
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  9. myersbw

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    So...maybe call it "vintage collectible"? Old and $500+ on the price factor?

    And, so as not to leave anything out, compliment that with a "vintage crap" forum...? :O
     
  10. Trapland

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    Since every post in this thread is 100% off topic.....please never mind.
     
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  11. AMPPILOT

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    vintage or old doesn't necessarily make something more than the POS it really is .

    I do think point to point wiring is better , IF the person wiring know all the tricks ....like the dude that made Train Wreck amps . He understood alot .

    I like newer amps built like the older ones or close as possible
     
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  12. mickeydg5

    mickeydg5 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Yes, people just cannot stay on or within topic. :)

    Do you not just love it when someone is trying to to talk about their amplifier, especially if it has an issue, while other people begin talking about their amplifier and start uploading pictures in the OP's thread.
    That is funyy right there. :D

    People. You cannot live with them. You cannot live without them. :p
     
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  13. Sir Don

    Sir Don Well-Known Member

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    What about a vintage car? That has nothing to do with wine.
     
  14. Trapland

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    I hope I haven’t done that. Sorry if I have.

    But the people are the reason I like the “Let’s talk Vintage” forum. The amps are pretty cool too.
     
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    mickeydg5 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Nope, I did not say that.

    There is always funny activity. That is typical human nature. Sometimes its good and sometimes not so good. I just go with it for the most part or move on to the next post/topic.
     
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    Lets just make it any Marshall that now sells for 5k plus..that'll weed out the riff raff..lol...personally I think amps up to the 800 series are cosidered antique..just my opinion.
     
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    I, like my amp, am biased...
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  18. 67Mopar

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    "Who put their shit next to my stuff?"
     
  19. SmokeyDopey

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    "Vintage" = old junk
     
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  20. ampmadscientist

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    We're not worthy, we're not worthy!
     
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