Help me pick a POWER attenuator!

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  1. Studiocat13

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    I’m going to use it with my JCM800 Studio,....20/5 watts.

    I ordered it and it’s on it’s way. I also got a 10% discount thanks to your suggestion Kid!

    Thanks man! :thumb:

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  3. scozz

    scozz Well-Known Member

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    A lot of good information here @MoreAmpsPlease. Being that I’m going to use the Weber MiniMass 50 for my 20 watt JCM800 Studio,.....and considering the statement you made about it only working well 3/4 damping,...,I think it’ll be fine for me.

    Besides, I play this amp fairly loud now without attenuation,....around 4 on the volume knob in the 20 watt mode.
     
  4. MoreAmpsPlease

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    Then it should be perfect for that. I heard a lot of negative things about attenuators before I tried them and really I think expectations can get a little out of line. For me, it just tames the beast enough to get the power output section in the sweet spot without killing my ears. And the 50 won't get hot with that amp either.
     
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    I think that’s absolutely true. On the Weber website you can’t even purchase an attenuator before you check the box that says you read the “Attenuator FAQ” section.

    That section explains all the things that attenuators do, and more importantly, the things they don’t do!

    Like I said, they won’t let you buy one unless you check the box. It’s a required field.

    That tells me that some people think an anttenautor is some kind of magical device that you lets you dime your 100 watt amp and play at whisper volumes with everything working perfectly,....and that’s just not the case.
     
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  6. Kim Lucky Day

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    Okay so I just got my very first attenuator, a Mini Mass. I also bought their Y cable so I can run both of my 8 ohm cabinets at the same time. I'll want to put the impedence selector on the Mini Mass on 4 ohms, right?
     
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  7. Kim Lucky Day

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    Let me rephrase this- single cable from 4 ohm jack on back of my amp to input on attenuator, Y cable to both 8 ohm cabinets, with attenuator impedence selector switch on 4 ohms?
     
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    Not if you know what you're doing.
    I don't ever take more than -4 to -8 db off the output.
    The stories you hear of "smoking attenuators" are the people you described that don't know WTF they're doing.
    Amp techs call that "job security".
     
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    You would be better off with two 4 ohm outs with a single cable going to each cab.
    It that not possible ?
     
  10. tallcoolone

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    You shouldn’t need an attenuator for a DSL50, that amp has a good master volume. If you need less volume than that IME any guitar speaker solution sounds like crap. Had a Power Brake, Hotplate, Ultimate/Ho, Unleash, Weber...like the Unleash prob best but not for bedroom volume. Go with a Two Notes solution and run it through studio monitors. Or better yet, save your tubes and run a good modeler through them.
     
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    Just a single input on the back, a line out jack, and a speaker out. Impedence selector switch on front for 4/8/16 ohms.
     
  12. scozz

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    Well I just got my Weber miniMass 50 watt attenuator for my Jcm800 Studio a couple of days ago. Now I know some of you are going to question the decision to buy an attenuator for only a 20 watt amp.

    Anyone that has this amp or the SV20H know how freaking loud they are. I’m a strictly at home player these days, my gigging days are long over. Also my guitar room is 14x 13 with no soft furniture, all tile floor, light weight draperies, and a oversized sliding glsss door.

    So when I play loud around 4 or 5 on the master and 7 or 8 on the preamp, (in the 5 watt setting),....it is really loud!

    The sounds are bouncing off all the hard surfaces in the room. So between the fairly small room and all the hard surfaces it’s impossible to crank this amp, even on the 5 watt setting, without it being just too much.

    So with this attenuator I’m able to really crank it, (even on the 20 watt setting), and enjoy the superb tones this amp has to offer when it's really cooking,....without the sheet rock peeling off the studs!!

    I’ve been playing my Jcm800 Studio in the 20 watt setting, with the master and the preamp on 8 or 9, and the MiniMass on a fairly low setting, with the +3 dB treble setting engaged,.....and it sounds incredible!! And it is still very loud!

    All the great touch sensitive tones this amp has to offer when the power tubes are really cooking is just staggering! Simply prodigious!

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    I'm very pleased with my weber mass lite 100 for my 50/60w amps. it sounds great.
     
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  14. WholeLottaGlove

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    Quick update. I bought a Bugera PS-1 for funsies.... Yeah, no. Not at all what I hoped. Kinda the same vibe as the Power Brake I had, but worse. Just turned everything to dark mush, even at the lowest attenuated setting.

    Tbh, I think I’m going to stay away from attenuators. My amps seem to have pretty good master volumes on them. On my JCM 800 4210, I get pretty good results by cranking the master all the way up and using the channel volume to taste. The DSL50 sounds great at lower volume, as well. To clarify, though, my “low volume” isn’t quite bedroom level. I have the gain and channel volume around noon on both channels.
     
  15. scozz

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    You bought the wrong attenuator,.....return it get the,.........,.,
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    @WholeLottaGlove,.....you started this thread asking for help picking a attenuator,.....

    ,...... and you bought one that no one recommended and you’re not happy with it.

    Return it and try the Weber Mass 100,....which was recommended at least twice in this thread!
     
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  17. WholeLottaGlove

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    Lol sheesh man!! I know, I know lol.

    Only reason I bought the Bugera is I got it stupid cheap used. I’m definitely considering the Weber if I buy one. Like someone mentioned in this thread already, though, I’m not sure how effective an attenuator would be with my amps. I’ve had the Power Brake and the PS1 (one respected, one meh) and had similar results with both.
     
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  18. scozz

    scozz Well-Known Member

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    Well, the best way to find out is to simply get one and try it,...... see if it makes your amps better
     
  19. ampmadscientist

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    Start the reactor... Free Mars!
    A. I would not use an attenuator that is made in China.
    B. I would save up more money and purchase a really good professional attenuator.
    It's not worth it to cut corners.

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    Gotta do my due diligence here. Gave the Bugera PS1 another go and it’s not that bad. At all. Probably just like with any other attenuator, you gotta dial it in a bit. Using the PS1 with my JCM800 4210 (2205), I find the best results with the master cranked, gain and channel volume both right around 6-7. Really opens the amp up!! When I plugged it in initially, I was cranking the master and the channel volume and it resulted in mush. Now it’s cutting but thick. Very inspiring tone. I’m recording some stuff now and hopefully will have a clip here soon. Thanks for all the advice and input.
     
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