Heartbreaker Breakdown a study on Jimmy Page

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  1. Dogs of Doom

    Dogs of Doom Moderator Staff Member

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    There's a couple rhythm guitars. At the beginning of the solo, the lead guitar plays a couple chords as lead. There was another lead track, that was mixed in, but I didn't include the other track, as I would have had to mix it in. The purpose of this is to study the fabric of this part of the song. Sure, I could have also isolated each guitar track, but, I think this breaks it down far enough to get an insight that many have never been able to decipher at this level...

    Rhythm guitars isolated: (lead solo muted, except 1st chords of lead)
    https://voca.ro/brcBMiavwPx

    Bass added:
    https://voca.ro/9qT4a8LUNWB

    w/ rough lead track & vocal bleed at end:
    https://voca.ro/hbOVzIRlUPn

    w/ vocals added:
    https://voca.ro/fUFxlkT16RA

    rough mix:
    https://voca.ro/2x7Bo55rvWF

    I would have uploaded to soundcloud, but, whenever I try something like this, they pop me on © infringement & delete the posts.

    John Paul Jones, plays his bass through a Leslie rotary speaker. I also believe he's playing a Rickenbacker as the bass has that high end scratch & distortion that Rick's are notorious for.
     
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    Dogs of Doom Moderator Staff Member

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    if you listen to these closely, you'll never hear this song the same again, pretty much guaranteed...
     
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    junk notes Well-Known Member

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    Since it is easily reversible and inexpensive, I mod most my Les Paul Standards like his #1 to get the sound.
    It is soo awesome using that tone. I always recommend to those who are fans looking to get close enough to the albums recording as anyone can possibly get.
     
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    I always wanted to learn the solo and this part of the song so last Xmas break I downloaded the tab and worked it out close enough to be satisfied, it was fun! :yesway:
     
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    Is that a good thing?
    BP
     
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    OK junk, I'll bite. Where does one find those Jimmy Page guitar mods?
    BP
     
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    Dogs of Doom Moderator Staff Member

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    depends on how you look at it. You'll hear things that you've probably never heard before & now, everytime you listen to the studio track, you'll hear every part, even though they are somewhat hidden in the mix...
    https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/28704-mod-garage-jimmy-page-les-paul-wiring

    There's tons of sites w/ their version of that, but, there's one for you...

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Jimmy+Page+guitar+mods
     
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    Thanks DOD. Will check 'em out.
    BP
     
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    nah, bite the dog instead please... ;-)
    Do not do that 4-pot #2 mod. You will just get confused and discouraged trying to achieve Heartbreaker tone.

    Here is a list of what you will need to acquire that Jimmy Page sound. You can choose to install expensive parts or dirt cheap. Just the values are important. All these items are your choice.

    1 x 500k push/pull pot
    2 x .022 cap
    1 x 4 wire humbucker

    After you have completed the mod, then how do you use it to sound like Jimmy page (and Peter Green)?

    Quite simple. If you have taken notice in videos, he will always have his pickup selector in the middle position for that particular song.
    To be in that Heartbreaker mode;
    • The toggle switch should be in middle position.
    • The newly installed push/pull Treble engaged (up position)
    • The Rhythm Tone knob *rolled back
    - *Start with the Tone rolled off to 0. Blend in more or less depending on your guitars characteristics.

    IOW The true beauty of this Jimmy Page Heartbreaker #1 mod can be done to any two pickup config guitar in getting this tone.

    Try it, and get back to us with that big smile on your face. :-D
     
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    I use the mid position w/ my guitars to play Zep stuff, even w/o mod's...

    He likes that Tele sound, like that.
     
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    ?
    no.
    That is from his Gibson Custom Shop from this vid...
     
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    yeah, I've seen that vid, but he says that he wants to get that Tele sound, like the mid position (sometimes). I understand that, my LP style guitar in mid position isn't exactly the same, but, I get some Jimmy tones doing that. The SV20 in the Kemper gets me there.

    Lately, I've been doing his flangey sound from the '77'ish tour quite a bit. Kind of a dirty tone, but, the Marshall power tube sound shines through...
     
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    junk notes Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, I missed where he says that?
     
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    Before anyone chimes in about Page's alleged sloppy playing (which happens almost not at all on this forum compared to say, tdpri), I'd like to say that every note he ever played was perfect.
     
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    junk notes Well-Known Member

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    *instigator fanboy alert*
    ;-)
     
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    I'm pretty sure that's his Jazz, it's still got a bit of that hollow honky jazz sound, and playing with a plectrum down near the bridge will give more edge.
    But is he using one of Jimmy' Marshall' though?
     
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    Yeah whatever.
     
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    around the time, Rickenbacker loaned him a then experimental model 4001s:

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    https://equipboard.com/pros/john-paul-jones/4001s-experimental

    I play a jazz bass regularly, as well as other jazz configured basses. None of them get that scratchy buzz like that.

    There's no proof that he did, but, if not, then there was some funky distortion coming from his amp, or he was using a fuzz box or something.

    To me it has that classic Rick tone.

    Jones was an Acoustic (amp) guy. I know he played the 360 regularly, but, what he had through different fazes, IDK, he probably had other models as well.

    From the equip board notes, it says that they rented the gear from Rickenbacker. I know the band rented a lot of gear early on, as you can see them using WEM, Rickenbacker, etc., amp's.

    Here's somewhat of a mystery. When I 1st started playing bass, I traded a guy my guitar gear for his bass stuff. I ended up w/ a Peavey Mk III bass head (old style) & 2 18" folded horn cab's that were probably either Acoustic, or EV, fitted w/ Cerwin Vega 18" woofers.

    Very similar, in this pic:

    [​IMG]

    Jones has a similar 2- folded horn set-up, but..

    What's going on here?

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    Looks like a chassis installed inside the speaker cab. I wonder what it is? Doesn't look like it'd be an Acoustic 360...
     
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