Fubar Red 1985 A-Cab w/Mocha Grille: Respray?

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  1. fifteenohms

    fifteenohms Well-Known Member

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    What would you do?

    -respray tolex
    -scrub & buff tolex
    -pull baffle / attempt to wash grille
    -re-spray everything black?

    This is a $150 slant and a mess - aint nobody got TAHYME foddat.

    Oh its really red, alright. And mouldyous. Cigrettes.. exhaust.. tree leaves.. spiders from mars, spittle and perhaps some other mammal fluids.

    At one point when I was in my late youngst, I thought: everyone else is dumb, buying black when they could have a backline in exciting eyes-searing red!

    How naiive. Red is not common and neither is mocha grilles. So what this has become must be remediated one way or another.

    Years back I bumped into Al Molinaro's shop one day in '89 where once he had a red cab w mocha grille: "Its $450 and I sold it already, sorry."

    Well being a regular, imagine the tease that 1960A caused for the next month until the guy picked it up: wheres this buyer when I can pay? How come the mystery wont resolve? Whys it still here ok?

    I didnt think they were rare at the time, and today when colored tolexes come up the price variance seems less than $100 compared to stock black. But they are uncommon.

    The other part of this ones problem, if I were to leave the tolex red, is the mocha JCM800 grille which I never understood.

    I think I actually dislike mocha grilles, and I know some guys think theyre special too just for that. But its hard to match because to my mind that color grillecloth was never made available via parts suppliers.

    How would you proceed?
     
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    Pull the speakers (if there’s anything left of them), and burn the rest.
     
  3. ricksconnected

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    least invasive actions first.
    i would clean it up but leave some of the battle scars
    for coolness and mojo if possible. something about
    a cleaner but road worn look. :agreed:
     
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    ricksconnected Well-Known Member

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    or you could send it on out here to Ga and i can...........:shred2:
     
  5. fifteenohms

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    What do I think of mocha grillecloth... I think pull the baffle out, and respray.

    Has anyone ever resprayed a grille?

    I did this once before. It looked inproved, but chalky in texture.
     
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    She's a charmer.!
    Cleaner 'er up and fix what needs fixing with what time and money allow.
    Original spec is the way to go.
    BP
     
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    This ^ Only if the speakers are worth anything.
    I wouldn't let that in my house.
     
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    Just plug it in and turn it up, that's all it needs.
     
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    Check impedance first, your output x-former will thank you.
     
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    I would salvage that cab. Make a nice winter project.
     
  11. BygoneTones

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    Just needs a good clean with hot water and a stiff brush. I couldn't live with that hole in the grill though, I would want to replace it.

    I think some forum members on here had black JCM800 cabs with the 'Mocha grill'. It turned out to be just the standard black material that had gone brown with age. Seems there was a batch of it during the JCM800 period that did not age well.

    Not sure if thats the case on the red cabs. Some custom colour cabs did have different grill materials, but I would want to remove the baffle and make sure - see what colour it is around the edges.
     
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    As above. I would pull the speakers and check them over. Whilst they are out I would jet wash and scrub the rest - inside and out with warm soapy water (on a nice hot and windy day). Dry it out really well, if you have a porch or similar leave it out in the fresh air for a couple of days.
    Drop the verified speakers back in and play it.
    I have seen much worse cabs that have been put back into use.
     
  13. fifteenohms

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    I disagree with that POV @BygoneTones because certainly, the original black twill can fade-out or be bleached to this effect, but there are plenty of examples of the "Mocha Anomaly" from 82-85 like this where perhaps it was a weak dyed roll, or something else.

    But the anomaly is a stock one, ie they shipped this way.

    Whether it was ordered this dye to resemble or celebrate observance of a wheat-colored cane from older cabs who knows.

    I just heard once in awhile these were more desirable but I find nothing to support that.
     
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    dye it
     
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    Ive had colored cabs in this type condition, and if the mold stains cannot be bleached off or wiped out with Acetone then what would you dye it: red or Basic Black?

    All my other cabs are black btw
     
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    either or, depending on what you like. or get creative and go some off cool color.
     
  17. Dogs of Doom

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    that's the cat's piss, I mean, meow!
     
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    buy black grill, put a diluted coat of bleach water on it, & hang it in a room w/ your grow (UV) lights. It'll be mocha in no time...

    Remember this stuff?

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    fifteenohms Well-Known Member

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    Well thats the one that got away apparently:

    "Honestly i wasnt expecting the response like i have on this and at same time havent decided if i willing to part with her after 30 years. And i am not happy with the freind that returned it to me in this comdition"

    K. Then why list it, get response, then go ostrich?
     
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    DA6F426E-5850-4832-9897-180AE6034BE2.jpeg 4F7BADEC-107F-4327-99D5-3AF3D14427CF.jpeg I grabbed this one last November for $345 I think it was.

    This one began life as a black with checker-grilled G12H-30 slant.

    It failed to lift out with Acetone so I had to respray it black.

    First, with the corners off, then a can-and-a-half of 99 cents Flat Black from Depot.

    That got the red to base-color out enough for me to hit it with the four-dollar purty can of Satin Black.
     

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