DSL40C for Iron Maiden

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  1. Daniel Fisman

    Daniel Fisman New Member

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    Hi guys
    I know that it's not a new subject, but even simply, maiden tone is always a good conversation, especially for those that don't want to bust the bank with all Dave or Adrian setup.
    So, recently I've acquired the dsl40c and it's pretty much better that I thought.
    I'd like to share my maiden settings and I hope to see new comments and what kind of settings you are using for it.

    Hope you enjoy it! So, let's go:

    Guitar: Epiphone standard pro with PRS 57/08 pickups

    Dsl40c settings:

    Ultra gain channel 1
    gain 7
    treble 5
    middle 4
    bass 3
    presence 3
    Resonance 5
    reverb 6

    Overdrive Pedals:

    For a fat sound:
    Full tone OCD v2.0:
    Key low
    volume 11h
    distortion 9h
    tone 12h

    for a normal sound:
    tube screamer ts 9
    drive 13h
    volume volume 11h
    tone 11h

    you also can blend these pedals using the TS9 as boost with drive at minimum and the volume at max.

    modulations
    sometimes a MXR M134 chorus: flat with low rate
    (09h rate)
    TC electronics flashback delayx4 - tastly

    And you ? What's your setup for iron maiden?
     
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    Lukas Well-Known Member

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    Interesting video I love these guys. Here they do Iron Maiden with a DSL40CR.
     
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    Welcome to the MAF !!!
     
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    :welcome:
    Thanks for sharing.
    BP
     
  5. Daniel Fisman

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    Tks !
     
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    Welcome aboard the Marshall train.
    Thanks for sharing your Maiden settings..
    Cheers
    Mitch
     
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  7. Daniel Fisman

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    It's a very nice video ! Only missing a screamer for a creamy sound as iron maiden ! The dsl40c do the job but you'll need something to push it !
     
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    There is a member here, named Seventh Son who is a Maiden specialist, I am quite sure that he will chime in at some point.
     
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    They do many videos like this. This ones called “sound like by not busting the bank”... so they have a budget of say $1500 or something and do the best they can to sound like certain bands on a budget. There is a “sound like Iron Maiden by busting the bank” and they do not have a budget which is awesome lol. I watch a lot of gear videos lol.
     
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    Here they have no budget and nail it I think. Sorry I’m kinda getting off topic but kinda not, wicked video tho.
     
  11. Daniel Fisman

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    The limit is the sky!
     
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  12. Daniel Fisman

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    just saw the video ! Very nice, but I would say that they won't sound very honestly on the 1st video.I mean they could get a much better sound with a simply screamer. Not necessarily a TS9 that it's not very expensive.
    Also, the DSL100 is very similar from a DSL40. I think the big difference here is the JCM800. Off course the pickups are much better, especially the hot rails , but like a said before, a cheaper screamer would make a big difference on the 1st video :)
    What do you think ???
     
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    I think I played my DSL40CR like 2 weeks and tried a TS9 on it and was sold. I dont play this amp without the tube screamer at all. DSL’s seem to like tube screamers. I fiddled around with my buddies DSL100H over Xmas and same thing, loves the tube screamer. My JVM on the other hand sounded like crap with it, maybe cause I have a MXR 10 band in the loop that boosts it already? I dunno.... the JVM doesn’t need it tho. But yeah I agree a tube screamer in the first vid would have been the finishing touch.
     
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    I am only familiar with the first series combo. IMO think the amp is on the hot side and is closest to SIT & 7th Son.
     
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    I maintain a post on the Recording Forum here on the site and update my settings regularly as they improve.
    http://www.marshallforum.com/threads/the-recording-thread.76541/page-42

    For what it's worth, Adrian's JVM410H rhythm settings for his live sound are:
    Bass 4
    Middle 5
    Treble 6
    Resonance 4
    Presence 4
    Gain 5 should work on most modern Marshalls (Adrian uses the Crunch channel with Gain on 10, not sure which mode)
    Channel volume 7
    Master volume 3
    For lead, he uses similar settings but with a notch more on Bass and Middle, and a notch less Treble. Nothing too fancy. For more detail, see the picture of Adrian's settings below.

    Rumor has it that Dave started setting all his EQ to 6 after the The Number of the Beast album, but that info is not verified.

    I have researched Maiden's guitar tone for many years and have come to certain conclusions that might help.

    First, Maiden's classic period, which spans the first seven studio albums produced by Martin Birch, is very different from the post-reunion period with Kevin Shirley as producer.

    Broadly speaking, Maiden's recorded tone evolved rapidly and drastically with each album from the self-titled album to Piece of Mind. Before Piece of Mind, they probably relied mostly on close-miking or multi-miking, but with the mics in relatively close proximity to the cab. Starting with Piece of Mind, they discovered how important the room is and started putting their amps in large wooden rooms and, in Adrian Smith's own words, "put mics up everywhere." Not sure what that exactly means, but there is enough verbiage there to suspect that room-miking, in addition to close-miking, became more important. This more evolved sound carried over to Powerslave, which sounds similar to Piece of Mind, but sounds to my ears like it has a bit more treble and maybe a touch more compression.

    Somewhere in Time
    introduces synth guitars and more modulation effects to their sound. I get great Somewhere in Time sounds with just a bit if reverb, delay, and chorus added in, and sometimes a flanger instead of chorus also sounds good on melody lines (e.g., "That Girl") for that big futuristic '80s sound.

    Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
    continues with that formula, but uses modulation much more subtly, while expanding on the use of reverb (possibly natural, but my ear is not trained enough to tell the difference) to create atmosphere. It also sounds to me more like Maiden relied more on close-miking on Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, as the guitars on many songs sound very bassy (more low-end dialed in on at the amp for a more modern sound), saturated, and have a pumping quality, which is often associated with loud close-miked Marshalls and a fair amount of compression.

    The era with Kevin Shirley features much more stripped-down tones. In essence, it's a guitar into a loud Marshall, with the occasional modulation on a solo, just for extra sparkle, or for special song parts, but not as an overall strategy. In the studio with Kevin Shirley, everything is close-miked with an SM57 and a Beyerdynamic M201, arranged in an X-Y (90 degrees angle) formation, 6 inches off the grille, pointing at the center of the speaker, which results in a modern, live sound. If you actually compare Book of Souls (the studio recording) to Book of Souls Live Chapter, you will discover that these days they sound live almost the same as in the studio.

    Also, generally speaking, the self-titled album has a lot of midrange. Killers is similar, but warmer in the bass region. The Number of the Beast is similar to Killers, although my ears hear a touch of chorus on the rhythm guitars that gives them almost an accordeon-like texture. Piece of Mind is their first classic-era masterpiece, with incredibly tight, clear, guitars, with plenty of midrange and treble. It's the album with the tightest bottom end on the guitars, and man, do they cut through the mix. Powerslave is very similar. Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son feature darker and still warmer guitar tones (more bass content, especially Seventh Son, their second classic-era masterpiece, which sounds thick and roaring in the lower mids).

    In pursuing Maiden's tones over the years, I have learned not to chase settings, as pretty much any decent Marshall with EQ and Gain around noon will get you there. Put an SM57 on the cap edge, an inch off the grille, and you pretty much have every Maiden tone from Live After Death, to Raising Hell, to Book of Souls Live Chapter. To get their studio sounds, it's a combination of standard EQ settings, close-miking, and most likely some room-miking added in. I, however, would not obsess over that much detail. Stick an SM57 on the cab and you'll pretty much have their post-reunion sound. It's a rather generic sound that sounds like the modern productions by every other major metal band similar to Maiden, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

    Overall, I find Martin Birch's work cleaner and tighter, with clear separation of the different instruments, whereas Kevin Shirley's mixes are muddier, especially the guitars and the bass.

    In my opinion, the most important ingredient to getting the Maiden tone, other than playing a humbucker-equipped guitar, is to crank the amps, typically a Marshall, but Maiden have also used Victory amps, Gallien Kruegers, and other amps on occasion over the years. My experience may be limited, but in my experience, Marshalls don't sound good until the volume knob is around 8 or higher. Once you got that, the rest is just practice.
     
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    And....WHAM. The hammer falls!

    Nice one @Seventh Son.
    We had all been waiting.
     
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    I'm a big fan of Maiden and that was a great explanation Seventh Son. I love the tones they got on Powerslave and back. Especially on NOTB and Killers. Sounded like boosted JMPs.

    Speaking of the DSL, i have the 20 watt head. I can get into their early territory but i basically don't use resonance, bass is low, mids are cranked, treble and presence are below 5 i think, gain is usually around 4 with master up really high. Reverb is off. Echo in the loop. I like Adrian's phrasing and killer left hand vibrato but I was always partial to Murray's strat tone. A super distortion and super distortion 2 in one helps.
     
  18. Daniel Fisman

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    Yes ! Dsl and TS is a perfect marriage ! But I also like the dirty channel without pedals. It have an amazing vintage sound and with pedals it is more versatile than a lot of ample that I know.
    Note: I'm using a British V30 in place of the original speaker.
    Unfortunately I've never tried the JVM but I've heard that it is very nervous. Maybe it not sound good with TS, or you can try the real TS9 without gain and the volume knob at the max. The problem is the middle range of this pedal.
    3 days ago I've got and wapler euphoria, Have you tried this one ? Most people use it for a dumble simulation cause of his beautiful smooth voice , but I'm getting amazing sounds adding it for a soft and creamy distortion. You can try TS9 - Euphoria - Amp.. just a suggestion .
     
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    Very nice ! Mazing ! Thanks for share it with us! I've saw your post with your Dsl20 settings and I've noted that you prefer the middle about 8 ! Your treble is 2 and you compensate it with the presence on 7 ! very interesting . I'm gonna try it, but Di you use the same settings for iron ? Never tried with a lot of middles, but I'll check !

    I couldn't open the link with the Adrian's pics . Could you share here
     
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    Very nice ! Mazing ! Thanks for share it with us! I've saw your post with your Dsl20 settings and I've noted that you prefer the middle about 8 ! Your treble is 2 and you compensate it with the presence on 7 ! very interesting . I'm gonna try it, but Di you use the same settings for iron ? Never tried with a lot of middles, but I'll check !

    I couldn't open the link with the Adrian's pics . Could you share here

     
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