Detailed G12H 55Hz Comparison: Pulsonic, Scumback, Heritage

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  1. Neil Skene

    Neil Skene Well-Known Member

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    These are all the same type of speaker miced as close as possible in the same position in the same 4x12 cab so I know all speakers sound slightly different.
    It can be and is used to the advantage of the recording engineer. Its not a bad thing.
     
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    Nice sound.
     
  3. Neil Skene

    Neil Skene Well-Known Member

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    Thanks.
    Having the four different sounds gave me the option of choosing a different sound for each guitar part.
    I was surprised how different all my speakers sounded when I did this.
     
  4. Kats

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    I said since the beginning that it should be a faithful representation of the sound of the speaker (if you want to conclude anything beyond that they’re not exactly the same). My suggestion to mic each speaker uniquely was due to the constraints presented. IE, make the best of a difficult situation.

    To answer your second question, the distorted sections of the recordings do not sound like speakers (as a whole) to me, they sound like when you put a 57 on the dust caps.

    Maybe your using the term “faithful” to describe the method of recording, when I’m using it to describe the results?
     
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    Neil Skene Well-Known Member

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    They all sound different.
    They shouldn't.
     
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  6. Kats

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    I’d be more surprised if they sounded identical. :D
     
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    I appreciate the effort spent on this project. But nobody listens to a cranked speaker an inch dead center on the cap, unless they choose to be deaf. And i doubt many mic that way for recording.

    It doesn’t seem like a good representation of what the speakers sound like to a human listening in the room.

    Instead it’s an example of the frequency response of eaches dust cap, not the complete speaker.

    Perhaps I’m wrong here.

    Edit: Oops. @Kats just said the same thing.
     
  8. Neil Skene

    Neil Skene Well-Known Member

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    I think the purpose of the video has been misunderstood.
    It was done correctly for the purpose of showing how close to the original the other two speakers sounded.
    The Celestion was closest.
    Maybe someone can do a comparison now of which speaker sounds the best out of the two.
     
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  9. Kats

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    Again, wrong conclusion. You mean, the Celestion’s dust caps sounded the closest to each other.
     
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    All great speakers. But what an underwhelming recording. I wish this thread would just disappear from the face of the earth.:shrug:
     
  11. Neil Skene

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    Which part of the Scumback is going to sound closest then? do they put a little dot on the cone for you to line your mic up with, C'mon man this is becoming stupid.

    No matter which part of the speaker is miced and no matter what the input if the speakers are accurate copies they will sound virtually the same, no way around it, this was not a test to find the prettiest sounding speaker, watch the video again. But you know that. You just want the Scumback to be portrayed as the best speaker. you are looking in the wrong place for that answer as you can't/won't understand what the comparison was for.
    But I see you concluded the Celestion sounded closest, If you want a speaker that sounds most like the original buy the Celestion.
    The Scumback isn't going to magically sound the same when it detects a Jimi Hendrix lick man.
    Pooping all over someones thread with this isn't cool anyway and has gone on too long already so I'm out.
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  12. mAx___

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    Yes, the test shows that but in my experience it was the other way around. I had the Heritage G12H for a while and was getting nowhere close to the sound I was after (Pulsonic G12H) --until I got the Scumback H55. Night and day.
     
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  13. Kats

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    Neil, your barking up the wrong tree with me. I have never owned or heard Scumbacks in person - I have no horse in this race. (Ps I had made no conclusions either, just using yours to make a point.) I do own Pulsonics and newer Celestions and am well aware of how they compare.

    And having mic’d probably a few thousand cabs in my career I can tell you that most engineers (and guitar players themselves) have a favourite speaker for mic’ing on their 4x12s (for eg). This is not even mentioning 4 different Sm57s used here - even there we’ve all had our favourites (or better put, the lesser of the evils) in the locker. Why do you think this is? It’s not as cut and dry as you (and all of us wish btw) make it out to be.
     
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