Cabinet/external Speaker For Vs265

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  1. Ironsound

    Ironsound New Member

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    I recently unearthed my old trusty vs265 from my parents basement that i thought had been sold or thrown away ages ago. Having collected dust for a decade it still sounds mint and im in love with it 2nd time around.

    Now my economy and apartment allows for something bigger so im looking to extend the rig with another 2x12.

    Im looking for a cabinet that goes well with it. The vs212 that was originally the best fit afaik, is neigh impossible to find 2nd hand(Here in norway). The vs265 has dual 12 inch goldbacks.
    Seeing the 1922, 1936, jvmc212, mx212 all seems to fit the bill(to my untrained eye). But im unfamiliar with the celestion g12 aswell as what the difference in wattage and resistance will practically imply.

    1. Prio is a speaker that will work well soundwise.
    2. Prio same sizing dimension with fitting grooves for stackable stability.

    Any experienced input is greatly appreciated.
     
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  2. KraftyBob

    KraftyBob Well-Known Member

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    I believe your amp is stereo so it’s 65w per side? I don’t know what your gold backs are rated at but for total wattage handling you take the lower watt speaker and multiply by the number of speakers. For example - let’s say your Goldback’s are rated at 100w each and you added a 2x12 stereo cab with G12M-65 Creamback’s at 65w each. Your total wattage handling, per side, is 65x2, or 130 watts. Still plenty of room.

    However, if your 2x12 cab had 25w Greenbacks then your total handling per side would be 2x25, or 50w total. Too low for that amp.

    You’d have to check your amp specs but I believe the VS can handle any ohm rating from 4-16. I had a VS100 with a 100w Goldback and my external cab had to match the ohm rating of the internal speakers - 8 ohms in my case. To be honest I wasn’t crazy about the Goldback - it’s a thin sounding speaker IMO.

    You’d have to decide if you want more Goldbacks or something else. There are so many choices out there just from Celestion, not to mention WGS, Scumback, etc. Personally, I would use this opportunity to find replacements for the Goldbacks, e.g. get a 2x12 (maybe 4x12) and bypass the internal speakers all together.

    Finding a speaker cab to line up with exactly your amp might be hard to do. However, you can buy the anti-skid trays, etc online and modify to fit you amp.

    Good luck,

    Bob
     
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    I built up 3 2x12's over a couple of years , by buying 3 new palmer empty 2x12's and putting in new speakers of my choice , it took me a couple of years to achieve this , as I am not really keen on second hand speakers , cause you can not always be sure what you are buying , have they been connected properly have they been abused , I had to sell a couple of lei's kites but with a little bit of forward thinking it can be achieved-I had 2 G12 80's that I had from new 1981 that went in one

    I also want to get 4 16ohm cannabis rex speakers to put in 2 2x12's I have to pair up with my 50watt vintage modern, and the greenback H/M 2x12 I have my mini jubilee combo which will stay with this amp
    buying off ebay can be a bit of a lottery as I have found out before when buying a 1981 used G12 65 but it depends what funds you have
     
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    Georgiatec Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Your "Goldbacks" are G12T-100 Celestion speakers. Buy a used Marshall 1936 model cab. They are deeper and slightly wider than your amp which will sit quite nicely on top. There are different versions of 1936 with the most common fitted with G12T-75 speakers giving a 150 handling capability. These are also the cheapest used on eBay....I've seen them sell for less than £100 in the U.K. Many times.
    E.g.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Marshall...386014?hash=item2cd96d645e:g:jCgAAOSwAoFbcZpq
     
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  5. KraftyBob

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    I have the DSL40C with the 65w Creamback inside and a 1x12 cab with a T75. I love how the two speakers compliment each other tonally. The T75 is a great speaker btw.

    I know there’s risk in buying used speakers as slide222 said, but there are also good opportunities out there. I bought the T75 used and it’s the UK version. Paid only $40 for it. Here are some simple tests you can do to check the condition of the speaker (I only buy local so I can see what’s I’m getting before I buy):

    1) With equal pressure push down on the cone - it should be dead quiet. Even the slightest scratchy noise indicates voice coil rub and a bad speaker.
    2) Put an ohm meter across the terminals and the reading should be slightly lower than what the speaker is labeled. E.g. a 16 ohm speaker will read 13-14 ohms, 8 ohm around 6-8, give or take.
    3) Put a 1.5v batttery across the terminals and the cone should jump up - indicating the wiring, voice coil, etc are working. Don’t leave the battery connected - just a few quick taps is all you need to confirm.
    4) Visually inspect the cone, spider, etc for rips or repairs.
     
  6. Ironsound

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    That settles it for g12t75. Sounds like a good match. However i see the 1922 seems to fit the vs265 better as far as size goes. I measured my vs265 width to about 66cm with the 1922 being specced at 67 vs the 1936 coming in at 74cm.

    Are there any drawbacks to the 1922?
     
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    Check YouTube for speaker comparisons before you buy if you can't test them yourself. Like everything else guitar/amp related it is so subjective. Take the V30's for example. There's a ton of people on here and other forums that love them. Then there's me and others that can't stand them. There doesn't seem to be a lot in the middle. Same for the G12T75. You'll here a lot of people say they don't like them - they're too mid-scooped, etc., yet they were sold in a significant number of Marshall 4x12's that we all grew up listening to. Just as the V30 some of us love them and others don't like them at all.

    As far as the cab I haven't played through either a 1922 or 1936, but from what I read people seem to prefer the 1936 over the 1922. Slightly larger, better low end response, etc. Again, subjective. I just converted a headless MG250DFX into a 1x12 extension cab for my DSL. I made the baffle out of 3/4 Birch Ply but the rest is MDF. I'm sure there are people that don't care for that. I personally think adding the cab makes my amp sound better. Bottom line is what do you like? I don't think there are many people using a G12M Creamback with the T75 but I think that combination brings out the best in each speaker and it simply thunderous when I push the amp.

    Good luck with your search.
     
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    Here's a good video comparing several popular speakers. The first comment has links to each audio clip.

     
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    OP what did you end up doing? If you want to hear the difference between a G12M-65 Creamback and G12T-75, look for my post in this forum called 1x12 Cabinet Rebuild Project. I have a sound sample in there.
     
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    The other thing is:
    don't test speakers using effects pedals. You need to hear the bare sound of the speaker.
    Same mistake when auditioning amps too. Effects pedals spoil the real underlying sound.
    You can't hear what it really sounds like....which is the only really fair comparison.
     
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  11. Ironsound

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    Kraftybob, ampmadscientist, slide222& georgiatec; Duly noted. Ive asked around in alot of amp shops and most reccomend contacting marshall. Im gonna call to ask for a quote and hear if they do custom build on old specs. See if they can do a vs212 cab to original dimensions. But with a newer speaker element and probably different materials. Probably ending on creambacks but not etched in stone. Gonna look around some more as i see a good deal of custom projects have been documented on these forums.

    Im way too inexperienced and impatient to do the carpentry and detailing on my own but i really want the box to match the amp. Im superficial like that but thats part of the perks of custom.
     
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    Ironsound please report back after you talk to Marshall. I’m really curious to see if they’ll build a custom cab.
     
  13. Ironsound

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    I have sent marshall a written request for a quote. Will update when i get a response
     
  14. Ironsound

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    Just got a response from Marshall.
    They may do this, but not to private entitites. Which means the request must come from an affiliated marshall distributor. In theory this is great, in practice, I suspect there will be too much overhead costs as the shop will probably take a cut.

    Which in essence means ill be going back to to look for a used vs212 and replace the speakers.

    If anyone is selling an old vs212 either stripped or loaded let me know.
     
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