yep. none of the builders beat me up. it was the rest of the forum. i still cant figure out how they all got mad about my question. hell if im paying $600 for a custom knife said to be designed for outdoor use, yet NOBODY had tested one because they paid big money for them and didnt want to take a chance on ruining them, then how the hell does anybody know how they hold up under use? they were beautiful and works of serious labor and experience to be sure. a nice display piece in any man cave. that i stated too in my post. i got the knives i use now and couldnt be happier.