2005 T S L 100 Clip: Trying For That Magical Plexi Model 1959 Tone

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    solarburnDSL50 Well-Known Member

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    I'm an idiot.
     
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    Fuck it. Between me and you...? For us. Phone recording.

     
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    And then...

     
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    Have you tried either KT77's or 6CA7's?

    They say that the KT77 falls in between an EL34 and a 6L6 on the tonal spectrum. I have tried JJ KT77's myself a few times but did not give them a fair chance to be honest. Yanked them back out quite fast.

    Now as for 6CA7, I would love to try the old Sylvanias. I have tried the new production JJ's and Electro Harmonix. Both are badass. My SL-X has the JJ 6CA7's in it. Need to dig that amp out of the gear room man.

    I always appreciate the kind words my friend. I just listened to both your clips using my earbuds and then had a listen to my Jubilee Clone clip as well. I dig your clips as always, you had it going off flying by the seat of your pants man! Playing is great and yeah, that DSL40C sounds awesome.

    I just had an idea as I was comparing our clips LOL. If there was a way we could post them in a thread anonymously, then let people decide which amp tone they like, that would be fun. And anyone else that wanted to join in with their DSL or Jubilee would be cool.

    So as you been asking, no one has put up their Jubilee against your DSL40C. To be fair, I would have to dig out my real Marshall Jubilee for that challenge. Plus, my 2555 Clone is not in its right tone mind right now LOL. I have tweaked on it quite a bit and it is still a work in progress. Hopefully when I do get it where I want, it will still be a Jubilee but have an extra Gear of push. But then it would not be allowed in the race as it will be a modified Jubilee.

    :D
     
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    My fav power tubes in the 900 clone are 6550's. I can throw any tubes that fit pin wise and it biases itself. Like to try some KT88's some time too.

    Im a fan of 6CA7's for sure. Really like the EH version but out of a Quad I had some bad drifting and a couple popped. 2 different times. Loved how they sound and felt though.

    Have not tried a healthy set of KT77's. Long time ago I bought a pair for the DSL50 and they hot plated right off and took a shit. Didn't pop but sounded like crap afterwards.
     
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    Oh and I like to incite a bit with the DSL. I've got amps that can punt the lil shit through the uprights.

    Your clone sounds great. Just know I'm exaggerating a bit with my DSL and its motivated to get peeps to put clips up. Not to prove anything one way or the other.

    Having said that putting up a clip thread of our amps would be fun an epic.
     
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    I found a visual clip of me playing my GT Tele into my OR15 4yrs ago.

     
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    Ricky. You and me. Rawk.
     
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    I've never played a properly running Marshall tube amp that sounded shitty. Some people are always in send mode and spout their opinions....many of which is bullshit because:

    1. They never played the amp they are crucifying
    2. If they did play it, they did so at guitar center
    3, they had no idea how to EQ it.
    4. They are sitting in their living room plugged into to a 1960 cab with a fully cranked amp wondering why it sounds like shit
    5. Expectations - I think many newbies are shocked that gain is not the be all end all with Marshall. Our heroes who sounded really heavy playing Marshall amps, when you isolate the guitar tone out is really crunch and not super hi gain.

    Sure, it's fair game to not like this or that amp. I don't like them all. What I've found from Marshall is their amps are true to what they say it is. I'm not at all surprised your amp sounds fucking awesome.
     
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    Great tones Ricky and Solar :)
     
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    Welcome to the Forum!

    :cheers:
     
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    Great point laid down.

    I have went to jams using my little Vox solid state modeling amp. Played along side a dude that brought a JVM 410H 1960A setup once. My little Vox was kicking ass compared to the JVM as I thought I had a much cleaner distortion voicing. His tone was quite fizzy and I quickly realized he did not have that JVM dialed in proper. He was probably using too much Gain on the amp I would say.

    A Marshall is a Marshall. But there are parameters on the controls where someone can make it sound not as pleasing to our ears. But otherwise, in the end, it is still a Marshall tone to the bone.

    For my TSL100 clips laid down in this thread, that amp has a .68uF first stage cathode bypass cap. That is the proven Marshall recipe for a great crunch voicing platform. It is not a must for every amp obviously, but I had it at 1uF for awhile too and that was even good.
     
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    Here is a clip for you. This one demonstrates the limits of my guitar wankery these days. But it does show how badass a totally stock DSL100 can sound. From our Trower cover bands first show.

    In my defense, the headlining band was a a Zep tribute band. Was looking forward to hearing them, but they canceled out on the gig that day for unknown reason. Very odd. So the owner asked us if we could fill in as much of the time slots of two bands. We ended up dragging out most songs as much as we could. Made up a couple of jam things on the spot as well. A bit stressful gig due to that, but very fun as well.

    I did have a very very bad moment that no guitarist wants to encounter LOL. Going from Day of the Eagle right into Bridge of Sighs intro, there is no gap. I had somehow pulled my bottom string high E way flat out of tune, which I had discovered embarrassingly when I hit my first chord LOL. My guitar has locking tuners as well, using 10-46 strings. I started trying to bring it back to tune while trying to keep the song going. Got it close enough you could say, but then it would pull out flat again on me. So I went from a bit embarrassed to quite pissed off and that is what you will see at the end of this song. Plus, I think the affects of a few brewskies was rearing its ugly head.

    Don't laugh at the two hand tapping thing as I have never been into that. When I started learning all those years ago, everybody was doing that. So I went the opposite way. But I try to fake it once in a Blue Moon when I get loose with a few
    flowing through me.

    :D

     
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    Holy shit that DSL is singing man. Loved your playing on this...fuuuuuuck. I had guitar porn face the whole solo. The crowd fucking loved it too. Thanks for posting! Really good man.
     
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    Forgot to mention earlier today regarding your clip from 4 years ago. I noticed you were hitting some good scales and patterns effortlessly on that clip. You were in one of those zones man. You were playing some patterns I have not heard you play in all your recent clips you have posted over this last year or so.

    Where I am going with this is you should check a few of those out to get them back in your arsenal. I notice that about myself in old recordings I have made many years ago, as I will hear a certain lick or run I did that I either do not do anymore, or worse, physically can't do anymore LOL. I find myself repeating the same licks and runs these days. I have never been one to practice at home, so that is why I am at the lesser level these days than my playing was a good 10 years ago. Just a heads up for you to remember your strengths and don't let those get lost with time like I have done.

    But regarding that DSL100, that one is all stock and 1998 made. When I first acquired that one I was floored at the tone on the Red channel. It does not have the disparity in EQ between the Green and Red channels like the DSL's are infamous for. My Red channel is very warm with great midrange clarity. Does not have the fizz like my '05 DSL100 had.
     
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    Thanks for the pointers. Totally agree with you no argument here. You and me are so much alike playing wise. Just wish you were here with me. We'd have some fun.

    That DSL sounds so good and your playing as a fan was killer. You did good. I listened to the crowd erupt and it was well deserved. How could you not get taken away with that. Proud of you. You wringed that neck and your amp delivered the goods.
     
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    Great points.

    The TSL needs a little volume to come into it's own.

    I also fully understand that the Lead channel might not be what a lot of guys expect to hear from a Marshall amp. It's lighter on the low end and the mids and highs are pretty sharp. This makes it great for modern metal. For anything else I tend to gravitate towards the Crunch channel since it has a more classic tone but even then still has options for mid scoop and has more gain than most people need.

    That's not to say the Lead channel isn't capable of other things, just speaking for how I prefer to mess with mine.
     
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    Based on your post I decided to try and get a plexi tone out of crunch channel green mode on my JVMHJS. I typically have that amp set to hot rod JCM800 and 2203 JCM800 sounds.

    I found it pretty quick. The key was driving the master volume up. I normally don't need to use an attenuator with that amp. I control overall volume with the master. But even with the JVM410HJS you need to drive the amp with the channel volume high and turn the master up to 11 or 12 o'clock minimum to get to SLP-World. Higher is even better. When you do that paint is melting off the walls so short of a band environment and a larger venue you will need to attenuate. I use a hot plate and the cab I used was a 1936 2x12 with G12-65s. I also used a Maxon OD as a clean boost. Verdict -- pretty good vintage Marshall tones. The key was the master volume. It sounded flat until the master was cranked. The Les Paul Standard I used was a definite plus.
     
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    Gat daem DP you go get it. Much respect!
     
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