1980 JMP 2203 Clip. And a comparison to a Bogner

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  1. Bxlxaxkxe

    Bxlxaxkxe Member

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    Bonus Clip of the JMP - Reallllllll repetitive



    Did a clip of my 1980 JMP 2203 and then figured I’d go ahead and play the same riffs through a Bogner Goldfinger Superlead. Both are fantastic.



     
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    That Bogner sounds super sweet with much more clarity than the JMP of which I am a fan.
    Thanks for that post.
    BP
     
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    Nice! That bogner sounds sick. I think I like it better. Great riffs thanks for sharing.
     
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    The jmp sounded dull in comparison.Just get rid of it.I'll do you a favor and take it off your hands in the spirit of forum brotherly love. Seriously though maybe if you turned up the presence on the jmp they would be more equal.I'll still will buy that jmp off you though.lol
     
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    Nice job, both sound great to me

    They sound so similar they could easily be eq'd to match perfectly.
     
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    What pickup on the Stratocaster was you using on the opening riffs? Sounded great.
     
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    Trelly, you think the 2203 could be dialed in to match the clarity of the Bogner?
    I don't know what I'm talking about but nonetheless I got my doubts about that.:hmm::rolleyes:
    BP
     
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    Trelwheen Well-Known Member

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    Howdy Bandit

    I don't know....only one way to find out for sure! :idea:

    Actually sounds like maybe the 2203 had a tiny bit more gain in the clip and the Bogner had a little bit more treble or presence.

    Would be fun to have them side-by-side and tweak a little....

    One thing I can say for certain is that I can change the character of a 2203 a great deal by changing it from el34 to 6550 power tubes, and by piddling around with preamp tubes.

    And I'd love to have that Bogner no matter what:headbanger:
     
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    10-4 Trelly !! :cheers:
    BP
     
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    I like them both....

    I think the 2203 is warmer with a more complex ("3-Dimensional") tone. The presence could be higher (I used to run mine with the presence on 8...)

    I think the bognor is clearer. It aslo sounds like it has more gain.

    My 2203 is also 1980.....My modded JVM sounds closer to the Bognor here....
     
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    solarburnDSL50 Well-Known Member

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    I like the Marshall.

    That Bogner is super sweet though. Was a bit twangier. The upper frequencies clear. But the lower not as ear pleasing for me. The Marshall turns me on a bit more. How it sits across the spectrum sonically.

    No doubt I'd have an excellent time with that Bogner. Just my ear taste buds makes me that Marshall 2203 nut hugger.:D
     
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    I like my Bogner Helios 50, but that Marshall tone & feel just delivers it for me almost every time
     
  14. LargeBoxSmallBox

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    Those are both nice sounding amps! I don't know Bogners, but the 2203 is greatly affected by certain things, such as tubes, and the caps make a big difference. I had a very nice 1980 2204 that I sold because it couldn't hold a candle to the 1977 2204 that I still own, in part because the older one has a full compliment of mustard caps from the factory. It makes a big difference. In 1980. Marshall had moved to the red box caps, which don't have as much zing. I would add presence to compensate. Also, those old Marshalls really come alive with the mid knob dimed, that is the main place where the magic is. And bass on 4 or less, presence and treble to taste, then stand back! My 2204 has tons of clarity and bite. (I run 6CA7 power tubes, too, lots of sparkle and nice balance from those.)

    Nice clips, and nice amps! Both sound really good.
     
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    That 2203 was once mine and I miss it dearly!
     
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    All subjective, of course, but I liked the Marshall. The Bogner does sound "clearer", but also a bit more sterile, like it's lacking in the upper mids (IMO).
     
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    I’m with @Trelwheen on this one,...all the way!


    Besides that Bogner is god awful ugly!! :D
     
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    LMAO... Oh that is so shallow of you scozzy. !!! You can't judge a book by it's cover!!!
    I've had an outrageous thought which I hesitate to make....but I will.
    The Marshall in the demo has that really great Marshall Mush :io: tone that we all know and love however I do prefer the clarity ( string and note definition ) coming out of the Bogner.
    Probably what Solar was referring to when he used the word " twangier" .
    The Bogner is not overtly twangier but enough to provide the clarity of which I speak.
    As mentioned above it perhaps boils down to how the JMP2203 is set up ( tube wise) and dialed in (EQ wise)
    BP
     
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  19. scozz

    scozz Well-Known Member

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    Hahaha, you're a trip Bandit! :D

    I think that with proper EQing the Marshall could and would create the string and note definition that we all enjoy! :agreed: Marshalls EQ section on these amps, and all of their higher end amps, is very responsive with a wide tonal range of the sweep of the knobs.

    To me, being strictly an at home player, part of my enjoyment of my guitars and amps is that they are aesthetically pleasing, albeit a small part a small part of my enjoyment, nonetheless a part. That's not to say I wouldn't buy an ugly piece of gear, not at all.

    Obviously the most important thing is how a piece of gear sounds, that's indisputable, but it's nice if they look good too. I'd like to meet the guy at Bogner that looked at this amp and said,..."WOW, that looks great" :lol:

    Maybe that IS shallow, but I don't really care! I'm 63 years old, I don't care what anybody thinks,...except my wife of course, I'm shallow not stupid! :D Sometimes I'll go in my music room just to look and touch my gear,....I'm not sure what Freuds opinion of that would be,.. :nuts:….I bet I'm not the only one though.

    Ok, and I stand by my shallow statement,....that Bogner amp is "god awful ugly"!! :facepalm: :rofl:
     
  20. BanditPanda

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    well said as usual scozz!
    As long as the lights are on in the room while looking and touching. You start lighting scented candles and using silky amps covers and Houston we've got a problem!!
    BP
     
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