1960A - speakers made in China?

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  1. Geetar

    Geetar New Member

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    Hi All, first time poster. I have been doing a lot of searching but I can't seem to get a definite answer.

    Does the 1960A cab now come with G12T-75's made in China? If so what year did they start doing that?

    The reason I ask is, a person selling a 1960A on ebay said the cab contained Chinese made G12T-75's
     
  2. gunboatstudio

    gunboatstudio New Member

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    Celestion International has been owned by a Hong Kong company since 1992, I think. For a while the speakers were assembled in the UK with Chinese parts. Now they are assembled in China as well- which is probably a better business model. Everything is manufactured in China now. I've never heard anyone complain that there was a drop in quality between UK assembled Celestions and Chinese assembled Celestions.
     
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  3. Ken

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    I've read a lot of people complaining about the Chinese speakers who don't own them...I can't recall anyone who owns them say they're not any good.

    Ken
     
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    jcmjmp Well-Known Member

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    I had 3 cabs with the G12T-75, all with the UK version of the speakers. The older ones with the block lettering sounded sweeter than the newer ones with the black stripe label. Even comparing 2 JCM900 cabs with UK made G12T-75 Celestions, there was a difference in tone. The older speakers sounded better. This was done during a blind test with all three cabs. Only one person knew which speakers were in each cab.

    I suspect that the Chinese made G12T-75 don't sound the same because they're newer and not as broken in as older speakers. I've never owned them but when I lent my older JCM900 cab to a guitarist here in town, he was surprised at how better my cab sounded compared to his with the Chinese speakers.
     
  5. American Viking

    American Viking Well-Known Member

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    I am a die hard American and with that comes a strong anti-communist mindset in which I try to avoid Chinese made products. I do own Marshall cabs with Chinese Celestions and I can't say they don't sound good. I've never looked at them but assuming they are Chinese since my cabs aren't that old.
    Don't know what part of the world you're from but I'm wanting to sell all my G12T-75's in my two cabinets and buy Veteran 30 speakers from Warehouse. Made in the U.S.A. and for a more fair price.
    I would buy American made amps too but Marshall's just sound too damn good. The Brit's know what's up in that department!
     
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  6. HOT TUBES 70

    HOT TUBES 70 Well-Known Member

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    I have read o few things on line that state the veteran 30's from speakerwarehouse sound even better than the celestion v 30's !!

    nothing is like a marshall , thats for sure!!!:dude:
     
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  7. rockinr0ll

    rockinr0ll New Member

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    The new Celestion V30 speaker I bought last year sounds good. So I don't know if the debate is whether or not the ones in England or China are better. I would say that the reason why is because they are broken in while the newer ones may not be yet. Give the speakers time.
     
  8. HOT TUBES 70

    HOT TUBES 70 Well-Known Member

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    it would be interesting to see a shootout between the two mentioned above.
    vintage 30 v/s veteran 30 !!!!!
     
  9. Sir Don

    Sir Don Well-Known Member

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    I've got two china made greenbacks and two british made greenbacks in the same cabinet after blowing up two of them. The cabinet sounds the same to me as before.
     
  10. HOT TUBES 70

    HOT TUBES 70 Well-Known Member

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    i had 2 of my G12H 30's reconed , and one of my biggest fears was that after it was
    redone it would not sound the same , but after they broke in , i moved those two to the top of my cab cause they sounded a bit more " lively"

    25 watt green backs
    g12h30s

    2 great speakers from celestion !!!
     
  11. rockinr0ll

    rockinr0ll New Member

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    I heard, if my information is correct, that the only difference is that the parts are sent from England to China to put together. So, it's really just the same thing but different location. Shouldn't be much of a problem with sound quality or anything.
     
  12. svdijk

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    I have one cab with three chinese V30's and one UK V30, can't here any difference.
    It's all bulshitt that chinese speakers sound worse, you have to break in them good, afterwords they sound just the same as the older ones!
     
  13. kleintools

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    GOLDEN PEAK speaker manufacture makes desent Celestion.
     
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    Q:Where are the current Celestion

    speakers manufactured (England or

    China)?

    A: CELESTION COMMENTS ON COUNTRY

    OF ORIGIN FOR MANUFACTURING

    Celestion has been manufacturing

    products in the UK since 1924. Nearly 10

    years ago, Gold Peak, a Hong Kong

    based company, purchased Celestion

    and Kef in the UK. Gold Peak is a large

    manufacturer in the Far East and builds

    for JBL, Fender, QSC, Samson, and many

    others.

    Their factories are first rate and in fact,

    do not offer the typical low cost

    manufacturing for which China is

    known.

    In the last few years, Celestion

    determined they would need to relocate

    from their site in Ipswich as the factory

    was very old, run down, and inefficient.

    Looking in the UK, Europe, and the Far

    East, it was evident that using the

    existing company facilities in China was

    the best alternative to keep up with

    record demand levels and continue to

    match performance. Earlier in 2003,

    Celestion began moving most

    production to China. The products still

    manufactured in the UK, in a brand new

    facility, include the AlNiCo Blue & Gold,

    G12M & G12H Heritage, and all Neo

    Products, including Century/Century

    Vintage/ BL Neo. Celestion doesn’t

    manufacture piece parts in this factory,

    so the paper cone assemblies could very

    well still be sourced from the original

    supplier in the UK. That is simply a

    supply chain decision. The early boxes

    coming out of China were not always

    marked with the county of origin,

    current production boxes should be

    clearly marked now as to country of

    origin.

    In November 2003, Celestion flew the

    editors from most of the major Guitar

    and Music Trade publications to the UK

    to outline their manufacturing strategy

    and give them a preview of the new

    Celestion speakers. We should start

    seeing the articles in print by January

    2004.

    Celestion’s experience with the actual

    performance of the Far East product has

    been excellent. In fact, they’ve reported

    a more consistent result driver to driver

    across production runs. Their “blind

    tests”, with all of their major OEM

    customers have been successful, and

    Celestion’s business continues to grow

    at record levels. It's important to

    consider that Celestion did NOT go to an

    outside contract manufacturing

    company for production (like some

    other speaker manufacturers) – they

    used an existing company owned facility

    in China that had been making the

    Truvox range of lower cost guitar

    speakers for years.

    That's all for this one folks.
     
  15. GIBSON67

    GIBSON67 Well-Known Member

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    Necropost, but a good read...thanks.
     
  16. Micky

    Micky Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    How come there is no uproar over this like there was with the Vietnamese DSL amps, designed by Marshall in the UK but outsourced to Asia for manufacture?
     
  17. Ken

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    Because the Vietnam thread was couched in racism, while this one is a legitimate question.

    Ken
     
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  18. Marshallmadness

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    I think the celestion Heritage series is still made in the UK. The others are now made in china.
     
  19. biggs

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    Are the Chinese versions marked as such? I just picked up a 1960A cab (for 300 bucks!) made in what I believe is 2007 and the speakers are the G12T-75's and are marked Ipswich, England as in the pic. Can't see any indication of them being made in China......
     

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  20. Quasar-Kid

    Quasar-Kid Well-Known Member

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    The early stuff wasn't marked "Mfg. china" in some cases for years... (I'm told)
    But all G12T-75s by the end of 2002 were Chinese made
    Still an amazing speaker - I love them
     
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