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Old 09-16-2010, 04:13 PM   #1
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Let's face the f*cking truth

I wanted to tell one little thing, let's face the truth.

We are all bitchin' about tubes, amps, guitars, pickups ect... and I love to do that, but, Angus Young (and every other great guitarist) sounds like Angus Young. Whatever gear he uses, he sounds like Angus Young. No matter if he plays a Plywood strat and a 5w SS pratice amp or a wall of Plexis and a vintage Gibson SG.

I just felt like screaming this out loud!

I'm a big fan of fancy and expencive guitar gear myself, in the end, tone is in the hands.

Thanks for taking time to read this.
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Old 09-16-2010, 04:17 PM   #2
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Old 09-16-2010, 04:21 PM   #3
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Thankfully he doesn't play out of a plywood strat and a 5w solid state.
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Old 09-16-2010, 04:22 PM   #4
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Re: Let's face the f*cking truth

Some of us have echoed that until we're blue in the face.

Chasing tone IS important as we all know how emotional truly great tone makes our playing... but you have to be a good musician to make that tone awesome in the first place. It's in the fingers and not the equipment.

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I think he would sound different on a plywood strat and 5w solid state.
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Old 09-16-2010, 04:33 PM   #6
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I think he would sound different on a plywood strat and 5w solid state.
Yes but we'd all say, "that's Angus!"
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I totally agree. When I get new gear, or dial in my sound a little, I sometimes show my brother, who is our bass player. He has a great ear, you know what he always says? It sounds like you dude. Maybe a little more topend, or lowend, but it sounds like me.
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Now I'm waiting till the original post gets quoted in someones signature
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There is definately alot of sound in the fingers but yes, people do sound different coming from different gear. You may still know what guitar player it is based on their style...but the best example of gear chaning sound alot would be no other than EVH. First album compared to alot of the Van Hagar stuff with Peavey has a HUGE difference in sound.
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There is definately alot of sound in the fingers but yes, people do sound different coming from different gear. You may still know what guitar player it is based on their style...but the best example of gear chaning sound alot would be no other than EVH. First album compared to alot of the Van Hagar stuff with Peavey has a HUGE difference in sound.
Sure but Eddies technique also improved over the years. And no matter what gear he uses we sill hear it's EVH playing.
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So very true... that is why I never bitch about tubes, amps, guitars or pickups... my tone is my tone and it has always come from me not my gear. The gear just helps me project that tone.
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There is definately alot of sound in the fingers but yes, people do sound different coming from different gear. You may still know what guitar player it is based on their style...but the best example of gear chaning sound alot would be no other than EVH. First album compared to alot of the Van Hagar stuff with Peavey has a HUGE difference in sound.
That's partly true as some amps and effects create different sounds, but the general tone sounds the same. Eddie's sound may vary today than it did in 78', but there are tones that once you hear them you know it is him...
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I wanted to tell one little thing, let's face the truth.

We are all bitchin' about tubes, amps, guitars, pickups ect... and I love to do that, but, Angus Young (and every other great guitarist) sounds like Angus Young. Whatever gear he uses, he sounds like Angus Young. No matter if he plays a Plywood strat and a 5w SS pratice amp or a wall of Plexis and a vintage Gibson SG.

I just felt like screaming this out loud!

I'm a big fan of fancy and expencive guitar gear myself, in the end, tone is in the hands.

Thanks for taking time to read this.
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Old 09-16-2010, 05:11 PM   #14
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We are all bitchin' about tubes, amps, guitars, pickups ect... and I love to do that, but, Angus Young (and every other great guitarist) sounds like Angus Young. Whatever gear he uses, he sounds like Angus Young. No matter if he plays a Plywood strat and a 5w SS pratice amp or a wall of Plexis and a vintage Gibson SG.
True enough. I agree 100%... But when I used to have my JCM 800 I would just intrisically start playing Randy Rhoads/Angus Young/Slash type stuff. When I switched over to the TSL 100 I found that while noodling away I would come across different tones easier and more often, and find myself playing more Greenday and Garage Inc era Metallica.

Yes, for the most part the old saying is correct, "tone is in the hands." Each amp has it's own character, however, and just like a Subaru Imprezza is going to get through the slalom quicker than a '69 Camero, and that small block V-8 is going to dust the WRX in the straights, it's not the full story. Stating "tone is in the hands" as an answer to how do I get Slash/EVH/Page/Hendrix/Young etc, etc is kind of a cop out and almost as annoying as those oft repeated questions themselves.
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Thanx. Now I have to face the reality that I'm still gonna suck, EVEN on a 45/100.....

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Old 09-16-2010, 07:39 PM   #16
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The thing with gear is that it may not make you sound different to other folks, but it does make a difference to you personally. And that is enough to justify all this silliness.

The things I like about Marshalls is the small stuff; dynamic response, the curve of the midrange harmonics, and how the notes stop after you play them. Also how the harmonics change over time when you hold a note, and how you can control them with your hands. Most amps sound flat, but most Marshalls don't, they sound alive.

Can other folks hear these things? Probably not. But I can express myself better through these amps, and folks can hear that.
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I sound very different on my strat thru my twin than I do with my LP and my VM. The inherent style and phrasing is still me but the tone is different (obviously) but also how I play according to different equipment.
There is a difference that gear makes.
Getting the best out of the gear is up to the player, and that's where "tone is in the hands" is appropriate, imo.
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I started on a Teisco guitar & 5 watt amp from Montgomery Wards catalog in the 70's, trust me, i sound much better with a Gibson LP & Marshall JMP.....really.
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I sound pretty much the same, just differing levels of "sub-par"
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Old 09-16-2010, 09:34 PM   #20
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Here's ya a pretty good anaology. I got two amps and two cars. I can get good tone from my little 50w MG combo but I have to work my ass off to get what I get just by idling my DSL100 Stack. I look pretty good and get to 60 pretty quick in my '96 firebird, but I look great and get there real damned quick in my '69 big block 'vette. Equipment does make a difference.
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I bet you if I played through your LP and your JMP its going to sound a lot different then what you sound like through it.........REALLY
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Amen to that! As the first sensible thing I've heard all day. It's real prevalent where people buy this amp and that guitar because I want to sound like so-and-so. But they always leave out the talent and the fingers required to produce that tone. But it keeps all amplifier modders and snake oil crews Rich.
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AMEN to the AMEN....I cant count the threads on here where somebody (prolly real young) has spent literally a ton of money on a stack and a Les Paul and still chasing that 'slash' tone...lol. Makes me wanna slash. the tone I chase is ME...that's the tone I want. I may play a cover, but I play it MY way..and the folks that have heard my originals will KNOW it's me playing the cover just by sound and tone.
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GEAR DOES MATTER. Like others have said its not the whole equation but there is an obvious reason almost everyone hear has a marshall and its because they kick ass. Its not because they can get the same sound out of a 100 amp, its because it sounds good and has its own distinct sound. If you race the daytona 500 and you use a stock car you dont have a shot even if your the best driver, equipment can make a difference but it doesnt do the work for you.
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There's only one of me as far as i know.BTW, plywood sounds like ****e.
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I'm going to give myself every advantage I can. I put a set of boutique pickups in my Les Paul. I played around with them for a couple of weeks before I sold the original Burstbucker 1&2 pickups - my guitar sounded so much better that I couldn't ever see changing it back. I understand the OP's point, but these guys AREN'T playing through a 5-watt solid state amp and a plywood strat. They don't worry about their amps because they have techs who they trust to set up their gear the way they need it set up to get their sound. Eddie Van Halen may always sound like Eddie Van Halen, but I can tell you when he's playing a Frankenstrat through a Marshall or a Steinberger with EMG's through a Peavey. Just like the tone "cork sniffers," you can take this minimalist approach too far. I've heard guys who have no idea how to dial in a tone that works who get out in public with their bedroom setup and sound like ass because their tone has no mids and they are buried so far in the mix you can't hear them, or they go the other route and have this nasal, cutting tone that ruins the whole band's sound. You HAVE to find what works for you in your situation and compliments your style. I think it's asinine to say that one approach to the electric guitar and the amplification of it works for everybody.
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Very well stated by the Gentleman from West Tennessee!
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There is definately alot of sound in the fingers but yes, people do sound different coming from different gear. You may still know what guitar player it is based on their style...but the best example of gear chaning sound alot would be no other than EVH. First album compared to alot of the Van Hagar stuff with Peavey has a HUGE difference in sound.


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The thing with gear is that it may not make you sound different to other folks, but it does make a difference to you personally. And that is enough to justify all this silliness.

The things I like about Marshalls is the small stuff; dynamic response, the curve of the midrange harmonics, and how the notes stop after you play them. Also how the harmonics change over time when you hold a note, and how you can control them with your hands. Most amps sound flat, but most Marshalls don't, they sound alive.

Can other folks hear these things? Probably not. But I can express myself better through these amps, and folks can hear that.
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I sound very different on my strat thru my twin than I do with my LP and my VM. The inherent style and phrasing is still me but the tone is different (obviously) but also how I play according to different equipment.
There is a difference that gear makes.
Getting the best out of the gear is up to the player, and that's where "tone is in the hands" is appropriate, imo.
I get you guys completely here and have offered this up before. Style is in the fingers gentlemen. Yea you might be able to produce decent tone with crappy equipment, but that only proves you have good technique. The amp makes a difference, BUT I could still tell if I was playing it because of the way I play... which is not tone, it's style.

If tone is in the fingers then why are there so many other amps out there? There aughta be one amp that covers everything right? And when people come in the forum and ask, "I need a good amp so I can get 80's tone..." why direct them to VMs, 800s and DSLs for their vintage sound? We aughta tell them to perfect their technique if they can't get that tone from their MG. And if tone is in the hands, then why do they get laughed at when they have an MG and are asking how to get a certain tone out of it??? Instead they're told, "you're not gonna get that individual's tone out of a SS POS like that, You need the real deal!" ??????? Wait I thought tone was in the hands???

Edit: The MG was just an example. The response and dynamic ability of a tube amp won't be had from a SS amp.
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Yes your sound is how you play and project.....but there's something about confidence! I used to play a Twin and i could always hear myself but did'nt "feel it!" Thats why i started playing Marshall....it projects attitude, it cuts through the dim on stage and blows everybody's heads off for the first 6 rows....that makes me feel good about my tone, headless people http://www.marshallforum.com/images/smilies/rock.gif
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