Preamps Out There?

carnada · 10-05-2009, 06:32 PM

okay, so I found a poweramp, and the guy will sell it to me for a very good price. BUT! without a preamp theres no point of having a power amp!!!

So I found this really fucking awesome digitech preamp! seriously its that awesome! BUT IT WAS SOOOLD!!!!!!! so that pissed me offf....

Now, I have the opportunity to order shit from music stores...Its gonna be more expensive but its good.

Now, what preamps is there out there? I mean the JMP-1 of course, but those are rare to find.

Any help?

jcmjmp · 10-05-2009, 07:04 PM

MARSHALL JMP-1 JMP1 MIDI TUBE PREAMP PREAMPLIFIER on eBay.ca (item 320430094911 end time 30-Oct-09 03:21:29 EDT)

ADA MP-1 Vintage Tube Programmable Guitar Preamp MP1 on eBay.ca (item 400075613966 end time 26-Oct-09 16:54:47 EDT)

jcmjmp · 10-05-2009, 07:09 PM

These things have a great reputation:

Peavey Rock Master tube guitar preamp on eBay.ca (item 310172334494 end time 05-Oct-09 22:49:23 EDT)

American Viking · 10-05-2009, 07:13 PM

JMP-1's are pretty common place. I don't know about cheap but there are plenty of them around.

ADA MP-1's are pretty cool. A lot of the old Testament stuff was done with those, countless other records as well. I really dig these preamps, if I ever went rack I would have one of these in a heartbeat. I don't know much about all the programming involved, I just know they sound good.

Engl Modern Rock Tube Preamp. This thing is pretty intense, the name is quite deceiving. The gain can be monstrous but it's all usable gain, it's not muddy or fizzy like high gain digitech stuff and has more available distortion than the JMP-1 and MP-1. Better yet it's an all tube signal path. I've known two guys to use them and both of them played in extreme metal bands. They are very responsive to your poweramp as well, they will have a big impact on the overall tone.

I don't really know much about any other rack pre's, these are the only ones I've had hands on experience with.

American Viking · 10-05-2009, 07:15 PM

Oh yeah, some other pretty interesting preamps are the Mesa/Boogie Triaxis and they also make a preamp version of the Dual Rectifier. Don't know how available they are but if I were to go rack I would always keep my options open to multiple preamps. Just make sure you buy a good poweramp to base everything around. If you don't like a preamp you can always sell it or just keep it around for more options.

carnada · 10-05-2009, 07:28 PM

I have heard good things about the ADA mp-1

Now I have to see if they still actually make them to order it from a music store since I dont haev an ebay account.

Im not really going for an extremeeeee metal sound with lots of distortion im going for something like this

YouTube - DAVES IRON MAIDEN WRATHCHILD HALLOWEEN CLIP...KILLERS!

that guy is a hell of a guitar player my friends. damn fucking good!

Im gonna call long and mcquade and see if they have the ada mp-1, atleast order it

jcmjmp · 10-05-2009, 07:31 PM

ADA MP-1s haven't been made for 15 years.

JMP-1 sounds a lot better IMO and the MP-1 can be tweaked.

carnada · 10-05-2009, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcmjmp

ADA MP-1s haven't been made for 15 years.

JMP-1 sounds a lot better IMO and the MP-1 can be tweaked.

yeah, just called long and mcquade and they are like "hmm, I havent had one since 1993" Im like "oh shit"

Anyways, is there any OTHER preamp outhere?? that you can actually buy lol?

I dont have an ebay account so I cant buy anything from ebay which kinda sucks. Plus im 17 years old

carnada · 10-05-2009, 08:03 PM

im trying to convince my dad to get an ebay account. It isnt working, what should I do???

carnada · 10-06-2009, 06:33 PM

Anyways, good news. Today I ordered the Digitech amp through ebay. I finally convinced my dad to use ebay!!!

Jesstaa · 10-06-2009, 11:23 PM

Noice.

But I've said this before and I'll say it again. I don't see why everyone says the JMP-1 is so hard to find, I see them on ebay in good condition more than JCM 800s, and usually for like $500 AUD

nofearfactor · 10-06-2009, 11:58 PM

I liked the tone of the JMP-1 that I used at one time but I still had to use an effects processor with it because when I went to an all rack rig the main reason I changed to that type of rig anyways was because I wanted to clean up my rig and it be more streamlined. Using pedals with a rack rig wasnt going to work. So I tried an ADA MP-1 then went to a TC Electronic GMajor. Wasn't satisfied with either setup. And I never liked my tones when I used a Mesa Triaxis/2:90 with an effects processor,same as with the Peavey Rockmaster that I ran into a Peavey Classic 120. I tried as many combinations of preamp,effects processor and power amp as I could find but found that I just preferred using preamp/effects processors that are all in one unit with power amps. And this is coming from a player who used Marshall,Mesa and Peavey heads for years and years.

So,now I'm using a Digitech GSP1101 in one rig and a Fractal AX-FX Ultra in my 2nd rig and I like both for what each can do. I have found the tones I was hearing in my head in these two units.

I'm using the 1101 in a modern metal band and the Ultra in a techno/industrial/metal/fusion band. The 1101 works awesome with my 9200 power amp into 1960 cab on stereo. I'm constantly being asked what head I use after shows and I point to the rack and say 'models'. The coolest part about the 1101 is being able to integrate the processor with the JMP-1 or a head and use either the processors preamp or the JMP or heads preamp. They sync up well.

With the Fractal unit tho,I needed to try a different setup since I use it with a different kind of band. For my PA feed at venues I pretty much always run direct to the board with the Fractal unit using its cab sims. For my stage sound the 9200/1960 rig just didnt work at all in a techno/industrial band where I'm the only guitarist mixing with a keyboard/synth/sampler/DJ player who does the bass parts with bass pedals and a drummer who uses an electronic drum set. I was stepping all over the rest of the band no matter how low the volume on the 9200 was. So now for my stage rig I'm using a Rocktron Velocity 100watt power amp running into a couple of Rocktron Velocity 1x12 cabs. I dont like it much at all but I'm getting less complaints from my bandmates and no complaints from the sound guys. Pussies!!!

jcmjmp · 10-07-2009, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carnada

Anyways, good news. Today I ordered the Digitech amp through ebay. I finally convinced my dad to use ebay!!!

Which one did you get? Regardless, that's great that finally got something.

jcmjmp · 10-07-2009, 11:36 AM

Make sure that the preamp is shipped with USPS, NOT UPS or you'll be paying outrageous customs brokerage fees.

carnada · 10-07-2009, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcmjmp

Make sure that the preamp is shipped with USPS, NOT UPS or you'll be paying outrageous customs brokerage fees.

I got a Digitech 2120 Artist, the pink one.

I dont even know how the thing is getting shipped man, it just says this

Shipping and handling
Free shipping

To
Canada

Service
Canada Post Regular Parcel

Estimated delivery
Varies

*The estimated delivery time is based on the seller's handling time, the shipping service selected, and when the seller receives cleared payment. Sellers are not responsible for shipping service transit times. Transit times may vary, particularly during peak periods.

WTF??! someone explain me this lol

jcmjmp · 10-07-2009, 06:15 PM

If its shipped from within Canada, you have nothing to worry about.

nofearfactor · 10-07-2009, 06:41 PM

Digitech site most likely has the manual for PDF download and probably firmware updates too.

Digitechs SoundCommunity forum for info too.

carnada · 10-07-2009, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcmjmp

If its shipped from within Canada, you have nothing to worry about.

the guy lives in quebec xD

carnada · 10-07-2009, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcmjmp

If its shipped from within Canada, you have nothing to worry about.

btw I was wondering if you wanted to make a maiden tribute band with me lol. I already have people in it

carnada · 10-09-2009, 01:52 PM

so the transaction didnt work. The guy was resetting the preamp, and it died while he was doing it. So it didnt work.

So we talked and stuff and he cancelled the transaction and refunded my money. So now I have to look forward to another amp? hmmm

I have seen the ADA MP-1 but it seems to have quiet a lot of distortion and not that warmness that the JMP-1 has

pinto79 · 10-23-2009, 07:13 PM

Keep your eyes open for a Hughes & Kettner Attax Preamp. I love mine.

Wilder Amplification · 10-23-2009, 07:30 PM

Speaking from experience I love the JMP-1. As far as how it stacks up to other preamps out there I couldn't tell ya since the JMP-1 had the high gain sound I wanted and I never tried anything else. But the JMP-1 is a great high gain preamp with a stereo parallel loop and both setereo cab simulated and non-simulated direct outs. And it's user friendly as well.

It sux that the new RoHS standards are preventing them from making them anymore. But as was mentioned above, there are plenty of them out there being sold.

Buggs.Crosby · 10-27-2009, 06:27 PM

I have an ADA MP2 better than and MP1 IMHO...but harder to find and no mods that i have ever seen but the 10 tube voicings all sound great
I also have a JFA modded Peavey Rockmaster...Awesome metal preamp
my favorite low dollar preamp was the Jackson JX-3...put an eq in the loop and it comes alive...with out it its high gain mid booster with no very useable lows
but they can be had for $100 My Rockmaster was $225 before the mod
the MP2 was like $250 i think.....right now i dont use either one of them
sold the Jackson and might throw the Peavey on E-bay in the next week or so
the ADA will never leave my (Shit i dont use at the moment) rack

jcmjmp · 10-27-2009, 07:21 PM

Got this from the gear page and thought it was appropriate LOL!

* Even if you and I have identical models, mine's better...yours sucks

* If I once owned it, it was fantastic until I sold it to you...now it sucks

* Your ultra-custom, one-off, super high end amp made from the finest components isn't as nice as mine...it sucks

* If I buy an amp from you, it's better when it gets here and the one you bought to replace it...sucks

** The sooner you learn to accept these facts, the sooner you'll get along with everyone here.

*** Feel free to make necessary additions.

10-05-2009, 06:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
carnada Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Posts: 662	Preamps Out There? okay, so I found a poweramp, and the guy will sell it to me for a very good price. BUT! without a preamp theres no point of having a power amp!!! So I found this really fucking awesome digitech preamp! seriously its that awesome! BUT IT WAS SOOOLD!!!!!!! so that pissed me offf.... Now, I have the opportunity to order shit from music stores...Its gonna be more expensive but its good. Now, what preamps is there out there? I mean the JMP-1 of course, but those are rare to find. Any help?

10-05-2009, 07:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
jcmjmp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,344	Re: Preamps Out There? MARSHALL JMP-1 JMP1 MIDI TUBE PREAMP PREAMPLIFIER on eBay.ca (item 320430094911 end time 30-Oct-09 03:21:29 EDT) ADA MP-1 Vintage Tube Programmable Guitar Preamp MP1 on eBay.ca (item 400075613966 end time 26-Oct-09 16:54:47 EDT)

10-05-2009, 07:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
jcmjmp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,344	Re: Preamps Out There? These things have a great reputation: Peavey Rock Master tube guitar preamp on eBay.ca (item 310172334494 end time 05-Oct-09 22:49:23 EDT)

10-05-2009, 07:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 1,510	Re: Preamps Out There? JMP-1's are pretty common place. I don't know about cheap but there are plenty of them around. ADA MP-1's are pretty cool. A lot of the old Testament stuff was done with those, countless other records as well. I really dig these preamps, if I ever went rack I would have one of these in a heartbeat. I don't know much about all the programming involved, I just know they sound good. Engl Modern Rock Tube Preamp. This thing is pretty intense, the name is quite deceiving. The gain can be monstrous but it's all usable gain, it's not muddy or fizzy like high gain digitech stuff and has more available distortion than the JMP-1 and MP-1. Better yet it's an all tube signal path. I've known two guys to use them and both of them played in extreme metal bands. They are very responsive to your poweramp as well, they will have a big impact on the overall tone. I don't really know much about any other rack pre's, these are the only ones I've had hands on experience with. __________________ -I'd rather be a good liver than have one...

10-05-2009, 07:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 1,510	Re: Preamps Out There? Oh yeah, some other pretty interesting preamps are the Mesa/Boogie Triaxis and they also make a preamp version of the Dual Rectifier. Don't know how available they are but if I were to go rack I would always keep my options open to multiple preamps. Just make sure you buy a good poweramp to base everything around. If you don't like a preamp you can always sell it or just keep it around for more options. __________________ -I'd rather be a good liver than have one...

10-05-2009, 07:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
jcmjmp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,344	Re: Preamps Out There? ADA MP-1s haven't been made for 15 years. JMP-1 sounds a lot better IMO and the MP-1 can be tweaked.

10-05-2009, 08:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
carnada Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Posts: 662	Re: Preamps Out There? im trying to convince my dad to get an ebay account. It isnt working, what should I do???

10-06-2009, 06:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
carnada Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Posts: 662	Re: Preamps Out There? Anyways, good news. Today I ordered the Digitech amp through ebay. I finally convinced my dad to use ebay!!!

10-06-2009, 11:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
Jesstaa Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Gippsland, Vic, Australia. Posts: 801	Re: Preamps Out There? Noice. But I've said this before and I'll say it again. I don't see why everyone says the JMP-1 is so hard to find, I see them on ebay in good condition more than JCM 800s, and usually for like $500 AUD __________________ GEAR LIST Marshall JCM900 4100 (6L6) (1995) Marshall Valvestate 1965A cab (????) Cort VX-2V (2008) TUBES/SPEAKERS Power: Groove Tube 6L6GCB Phase Inverter: Sovtek 7025 Pre: V1 - N.O.S Mullard ECC83. V2 National 12AX7A Speakers: Celestion G10L-35 Marshall forever My tube amp & Real Music appreciation forum

10-06-2009, 11:58 PM	#12 (permalink)
nofearfactor Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Hellbillyville Posts: 180	Re: Preamps Out There? I liked the tone of the JMP-1 that I used at one time but I still had to use an effects processor with it because when I went to an all rack rig the main reason I changed to that type of rig anyways was because I wanted to clean up my rig and it be more streamlined. Using pedals with a rack rig wasnt going to work. So I tried an ADA MP-1 then went to a TC Electronic GMajor. Wasn't satisfied with either setup. And I never liked my tones when I used a Mesa Triaxis/2:90 with an effects processor,same as with the Peavey Rockmaster that I ran into a Peavey Classic 120. I tried as many combinations of preamp,effects processor and power amp as I could find but found that I just preferred using preamp/effects processors that are all in one unit with power amps. And this is coming from a player who used Marshall,Mesa and Peavey heads for years and years. So,now I'm using a Digitech GSP1101 in one rig and a Fractal AX-FX Ultra in my 2nd rig and I like both for what each can do. I have found the tones I was hearing in my head in these two units. I'm using the 1101 in a modern metal band and the Ultra in a techno/industrial/metal/fusion band. The 1101 works awesome with my 9200 power amp into 1960 cab on stereo. I'm constantly being asked what head I use after shows and I point to the rack and say 'models'. The coolest part about the 1101 is being able to integrate the processor with the JMP-1 or a head and use either the processors preamp or the JMP or heads preamp. They sync up well. With the Fractal unit tho,I needed to try a different setup since I use it with a different kind of band. For my PA feed at venues I pretty much always run direct to the board with the Fractal unit using its cab sims. For my stage sound the 9200/1960 rig just didnt work at all in a techno/industrial band where I'm the only guitarist mixing with a keyboard/synth/sampler/DJ player who does the bass parts with bass pedals and a drummer who uses an electronic drum set. I was stepping all over the rest of the band no matter how low the volume on the 9200 was. So now for my stage rig I'm using a Rocktron Velocity 100watt power amp running into a couple of Rocktron Velocity 1x12 cabs. I dont like it much at all but I'm getting less complaints from my bandmates and no complaints from the sound guys. Pussies!!! __________________ myspace- http://www.myspace.com/nofearfactor some gear pics- http://community.webshots.com/album/...ecurity=QbSaeN

10-07-2009, 11:36 AM	#14 (permalink)
jcmjmp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,344	Re: Preamps Out There? Make sure that the preamp is shipped with USPS, NOT UPS or you'll be paying outrageous customs brokerage fees.

10-07-2009, 06:15 PM	#16 (permalink)
jcmjmp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,344	Re: Preamps Out There? If its shipped from within Canada, you have nothing to worry about.

10-07-2009, 06:41 PM	#17 (permalink)
nofearfactor Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Hellbillyville Posts: 180	Re: Preamps Out There? Digitech site most likely has the manual for PDF download and probably firmware updates too. Digitechs SoundCommunity forum for info too. __________________ myspace- http://www.myspace.com/nofearfactor some gear pics- http://community.webshots.com/album/...ecurity=QbSaeN

10-09-2009, 01:52 PM	#20 (permalink)
carnada Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Posts: 662	Re: Preamps Out There? so the transaction didnt work. The guy was resetting the preamp, and it died while he was doing it. So it didnt work. So we talked and stuff and he cancelled the transaction and refunded my money. So now I have to look forward to another amp? hmmm I have seen the ADA MP-1 but it seems to have quiet a lot of distortion and not that warmness that the JMP-1 has

10-23-2009, 07:13 PM	#21 (permalink)
pinto79 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Delta, B.C., Canada Posts: 131	Re: Preamps Out There? Keep your eyes open for a Hughes & Kettner Attax Preamp. I love mine. __________________ My Marshall Gear: 1983 JCM800 2203 1986 5210 1x12 Combo loaded with a G12M-70 1992 Anniversary Series 6100 1992 6960A Cabinet loaded with G12T-75s 2008 JMP 1959RR Old, beaten 1960A loaded with G12M-25 Greenbacks Ed the Compressor Regenerator

10-27-2009, 06:27 PM	#23 (permalink)
Buggs.Crosby Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 90	Re: Preamps Out There? I have an ADA MP2 better than and MP1 IMHO...but harder to find and no mods that i have ever seen but the 10 tube voicings all sound great I also have a JFA modded Peavey Rockmaster...Awesome metal preamp my favorite low dollar preamp was the Jackson JX-3...put an eq in the loop and it comes alive...with out it its high gain mid booster with no very useable lows but they can be had for $100 My Rockmaster was $225 before the mod the MP2 was like $250 i think.....right now i dont use either one of them sold the Jackson and might throw the Peavey on E-bay in the next week or so the ADA will never leave my (Shit i dont use at the moment) rack

10-27-2009, 07:21 PM	#24 (permalink)
jcmjmp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,344	Re: Preamps Out There? Got this from the gear page and thought it was appropriate LOL! * Even if you and I have identical models, mine's better...yours sucks * If I once owned it, it was fantastic until I sold it to you...now it sucks * Your ultra-custom, one-off, super high end amp made from the finest components isn't as nice as mine...it sucks * If I buy an amp from you, it's better when it gets here and the one you bought to replace it...sucks The sooner you learn to accept these facts, the sooner you'll get along with everyone here. * Feel free to make necessary additions.

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