Bugera amps

siav · 09-27-2009, 12:25 PM

Hi,

Anyone has heard about Bugera?
I heard on youtube some sample of 1990 and 6262 head, I find the sound and price really smashing.

Any feedback on these scream machines?

bro blue · 09-27-2009, 02:11 PM

There were a lot of issues with the 6262, I don't know if they have been remedied. I have a 6260 2x12 and a 333 head and they are great amps. I have used them both a great deal and had no problems with them. I really want to try the new lower wattage Bugreas.

siav · 09-27-2009, 03:46 PM

humm... it seems like main issues are with the power supply

nofearfactor · 09-27-2009, 05:37 PM

My rythym guitarist in one of the bands I am in has a 333 in his rig now and he really likes it. I dont. Just not my style. But he also had a Peavey TripleX back when I used 5150s and I didnt like his tone then either. So its probably just me...

bro blue · 09-27-2009, 07:45 PM

I have had to replace some of the preamp tubes in mine to tame the gain. I put a 12AX7 in V2 and a 12AU7 in V3 of the 333, which smoothed things out (no more bees-in-a-can distortion) and gave more of a useful range to work with.

80's Rocker · 09-27-2009, 09:01 PM

Check out mtuck5150's videos if you havent already. YouTube - mtuck5150's Channel he has some reviews that are good.

jaek · 09-28-2009, 08:52 AM

When I had monies I was thinking of getting the Bugera 1960, its basically a cheap Plexi style 150 watt head. But then I found these pics....

http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/p...11_image_0.jpg

It's a 333xl that has the alligator clip burned. Luckily the guy was able to fix it by cutting off the clip and directly soldering it to the pcb board.

I decided not to take this chance and saved up for a DSL 50 instead.

T-Bird · 09-28-2009, 10:05 AM

Hi.

Since Bugera=Behringer, the general consensus seem to be that they're good value while they last.

Over here the Behringer and Bugera warranty is three years, that makes things a bit better, but doesn't make up for the dying during the performance.

Since You live in the Scandinavia, take a look at the Fame rebrand of Smarvo in the Music Store professional . I have a BVH300 bass amp, and it has been serving me quite well. Not without any problems to be honest, but still an exxellent value for the money.

Regards
Sam

TubeStack · 10-03-2009, 08:54 PM

Didn't the early ones literally catch fire often?

rockinr0ll · 10-04-2009, 10:19 AM

YouTube - Bugera 1990 vs. Marshall JCM 900 Shoot-out TTK Style !!! Amp Review Demo

YouTube - Bugera 1960 vs. Marshall 1959 Plexi Amp Demo Review Shoot-out TTK Style

marshallmellowed · 10-11-2009, 10:31 AM

I bought both the 6262 and the 333XL for comparison. I liked the 333XL the best. I returned both amps and later bought a used 333XL off evilbay. It had brand new JJ tubes with 6L6's in the outputs. The previous owner had neglected to change the bias select switch, which was still set for EL34"s, oops. First thing I did was to open it up and get rid of the molex connector on the power transformer (soldered wires directly to board). This was the primary problem with the 333XL's, as the connector would get hot, and sometimes melt due to poor connectivity. Mine has been fine so far.

wkcchampion · 11-06-2009, 12:20 PM

oh dear, I just saw that these amps retail new for 500 to 700 euros :|

ah come on, how can a high-end valve amp cost that little?
Bro Blue, you said that u have Bugeras, are they comparable to Marshall, Vox Mesa and other top amps? And do they work without issues?
I'm sorry but I'm pretty skeptic. Behringer, made in China, and ridicolous price switched on a "red alert light" in my head

siav · 11-13-2009, 05:21 AM

well the cost for workers in China is really low compaired to workers in europe and noth america.
That makes the difference.

ChuggyMcBr00tlz · 11-13-2009, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wkcchampion

oh dear, I just saw that these amps retail new for 500 to 700 euros :|

ah come on, how can a high-end valve amp cost that little?
Bro Blue, you said that u have Bugeras, are they comparable to Marshall, Vox Mesa and other top amps? And do they work without issues?
I'm sorry but I'm pretty skeptic. Behringer, made in China, and ridicolous price switched on a "red alert light" in my head

Bugera has brought the consumer the amps we want at a price thats realistic.

a stupid wooden box with tubes from marshall is about 1500-2000 and my iphone was 200 bucks and that thing is massively more high tech.

any way back to amps i run a bugera 333 through a jcm900 1960a cab, it is awesome. go play one and bring money cause u will want one.

it destroys the dsl100 i had tone wise. my dsl100 also failed on me twice.

HOT TUBES 70 · 11-13-2009, 09:58 PM

ah ! don't be so fast to jump all over marshalls back with your 333 , i have read alot
on the net about guys having nothing but trouble with the bugera's fry'n up !!!
when you have been around and done what marshall has done ...then you can throw
out comments like that !!!

T-Bird · 11-14-2009, 12:17 AM

Hi.

+1 for the above.

While I have nothing against Asian mfg amps, or cheapo tube amps regardless of the place of origin, I wouldn't dream of comparing them with western ones.

The back-breaker for me is the lack of CS. Try to get the schematics for a Behringer/Bugera or any other cheapo. Including Fame of course. While a tube amp can generally be diagnosed and repaired without schematics, it won't be feasible in most cases. The couple of hours that is needed for the diagnose may run the bill up to $100 even in the cheapest of places, without any actual work even done.

For the Fame I have, BVH300, I traced the pre-amp schematics and put 'em to the net. Up until someone does that for the other cheapos, the owners are on their own.

Bottom line, when a cheapo without proper CS dies, IT'S GONE. FOR GOOD.

The 3 year warranty is helpful, but only for the original owner.

Regards
Sam

nofearfactor · 11-14-2009, 03:49 AM

My rythym guitarist with the 333 into Bugera cab looks like a lost child at rehearsals when he tries to match up with my AX-FX Ultra/Marshall 9200 power amp/Marshall 1960 in stereo rig.

bloosman1 · 11-16-2009, 02:50 AM

My ENT doctor told me not to pick bugeras, as my nose might start bleeding..... (Just a joke, take it easy.). I went to Denny's and had a "Ham-bugera" (Now THAT was bad.)

HOT TUBES 70 · 11-19-2009, 01:07 AM

Lol !!!!! Lol !!!!
Thats good stuff !!

bro blue · 12-04-2009, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wkcchampion

oh dear, I just saw that these amps retail new for 500 to 700 euros :|

ah come on, how can a high-end valve amp cost that little?
Bro Blue, you said that u have Bugeras, are they comparable to Marshall, Vox Mesa and other top amps? And do they work without issues?
I'm sorry but I'm pretty skeptic. Behringer, made in China, and ridicolous price switched on a "red alert light" in my head

Sorry for the late reply, I've been away (not jail)

They are what they are, good sounding amps for a good price. To meet the price point corners are cut. Compare construction to a Vox and the Vox will win hands down.

I have not had any trouble out of mine, and they have been used regularly since they came out. I know there have been problems with some of them, but I have never seen one blow up, smoke or catch fire.

They are awesome for people on a budget who want good tone. They are good for musicians that want to try something different but don't want to sink a couple thousand dollars in a new rig.

NewReligion · 12-05-2009, 07:23 PM

They remind me of the B52 AT100's

bro blue · 12-05-2009, 09:21 PM

Chuggy mentioned bringing money if you play one. This is true. They sound great.

slowhand · 12-13-2009, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuggyMcBr00tlz

a stupid wooden box with tubes from marshall is about 1500-2000 and my iphone was 200 bucks and that thing is massively more high tech.

Marshalls are pricey, but that quote is kinda like saying a Rolls Royce is just a box of metal with four wheels when you could get a techy smart car for less. There is a lot of history in the name Marshall and carries a lot of weight and value in the music industry as well as its history. They also pioneered a lot of what we hear today, that is why they can get more for their amps.

Glad Bugera is building a good sounding amp and a great price, but the fact they are trying to get "that" Marshall sound and this ToneKing guy is comparing to Marshall only gives more credit to Marshall. And face it, be it sports or cars or clothes, there is something about a name that people are willing to pay extra for even though something cheaper could fit the bill.

HOT TUBES 70 · 12-17-2009, 12:27 AM

but here's away to look at it , with the release of the new MA series of amp from marshall , what the hell are you going to buy , a bugera or a marshall at the same price point etc !!!!

thats an easy answer ....

jcmaniac · 01-04-2010, 02:19 AM

Last year I needed an amp in a hurry for a gig so I bought a brand new 333. I really loved the sound and thought I was on a winner but after I only got one rehearsal and half a gig out of it before it died on stage I realised it was nothing but a piece of junk.
All the shops in Sydney that stocked them no longer do so and when I ask about them all I get is pained looks.
They have a bad rep here.

09-27-2009, 12:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
siav Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 118	Bugera amps Hi, Anyone has heard about Bugera? I heard on youtube some sample of 1990 and 6262 head, I find the sound and price really smashing. Any feedback on these scream machines? __________________ Kramer 600ST Gibson Les Paul STD 2005 Martin D16 Custom Marshall 6101 30th Anniversary Marshall 2555SL JCM Slash Rocktron VooduVale

09-27-2009, 02:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
bro blue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern USA Posts: 142	Re: Bugera amps There were a lot of issues with the 6262, I don't know if they have been remedied. I have a 6260 2x12 and a 333 head and they are great amps. I have used them both a great deal and had no problems with them. I really want to try the new lower wattage Bugreas.

09-27-2009, 03:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
siav Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 118	Re: Bugera amps humm... it seems like main issues are with the power supply __________________ Kramer 600ST Gibson Les Paul STD 2005 Martin D16 Custom Marshall 6101 30th Anniversary Marshall 2555SL JCM Slash Rocktron VooduVale

09-27-2009, 05:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
nofearfactor Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: cold,dark... Posts: 228	Re: Bugera amps My rythym guitarist in one of the bands I am in has a 333 in his rig now and he really likes it. I dont. Just not my style. But he also had a Peavey TripleX back when I used 5150s and I didnt like his tone then either. So its probably just me... __________________ myspace- http://www.myspace.com/nofearfactor some gear pics- http://community.webshots.com/album/...ecurity=QbSaeN

09-27-2009, 07:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
bro blue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern USA Posts: 142	Re: Bugera amps I have had to replace some of the preamp tubes in mine to tame the gain. I put a 12AX7 in V2 and a 12AU7 in V3 of the 333, which smoothed things out (no more bees-in-a-can distortion) and gave more of a useful range to work with.

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09-27-2009, 09:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
80's Rocker Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: stuck in the 80's! Posts: 424	Re: Bugera amps Check out mtuck5150's videos if you havent already. YouTube - mtuck5150's Channel he has some reviews that are good. __________________ 80's Rocker Epiphone Les Paul Stantard Marshall JCM 800 2204 1960 Cab Ibanez TS9 Tube Screamer Charvel Model 1 '87 Kramer Baretta Rock On!

09-28-2009, 08:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
jaek Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 48	Re: Bugera amps When I had monies I was thinking of getting the Bugera 1960, its basically a cheap Plexi style 150 watt head. But then I found these pics.... http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/p...11_image_0.jpg It's a 333xl that has the alligator clip burned. Luckily the guy was able to fix it by cutting off the clip and directly soldering it to the pcb board. I decided not to take this chance and saved up for a DSL 50 instead.

09-28-2009, 10:05 AM	#8 (permalink)
T-Bird Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Finland (Northern Europe) Posts: 214	Re: Bugera amps Hi. Since Bugera=Behringer, the general consensus seem to be that they're good value while they last. Over here the Behringer and Bugera warranty is three years, that makes things a bit better, but doesn't make up for the dying during the performance. Since You live in the Scandinavia, take a look at the Fame rebrand of Smarvo in the Music Store professional . I have a BVH300 bass amp, and it has been serving me quite well. Not without any problems to be honest, but still an exxellent value for the money. Regards Sam

10-03-2009, 08:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
TubeStack Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 196	Re: Bugera amps Didn't the early ones literally catch fire often? __________________ "And I'm sorry but I can't be kind about this, if you are bitching about "my Marshall is too loud" or "I need a hot plate or a PowerBake to manage the volume," then you don't need or deserve a Marshall all valve amplifier! ... You're like a guy that goes and buys 1970 Chevy SS 454 with 500 horse power and then puts his golf clubs in and drives around the golf course at 3MPH..." - MajorNut1967

10-11-2009, 10:31 AM	#11 (permalink)
marshallmellowed Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5	Re: Bugera amps I bought both the 6262 and the 333XL for comparison. I liked the 333XL the best. I returned both amps and later bought a used 333XL off evilbay. It had brand new JJ tubes with 6L6's in the outputs. The previous owner had neglected to change the bias select switch, which was still set for EL34"s, oops. First thing I did was to open it up and get rid of the molex connector on the power transformer (soldered wires directly to board). This was the primary problem with the 333XL's, as the connector would get hot, and sometimes melt due to poor connectivity. Mine has been fine so far.

11-06-2009, 12:20 PM	#12 (permalink)
wkcchampion Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Italy Posts: 674	Re: Bugera amps oh dear, I just saw that these amps retail new for 500 to 700 euros :\| ah come on, how can a high-end valve amp cost that little? Bro Blue, you said that u have Bugeras, are they comparable to Marshall, Vox Mesa and other top amps? And do they work without issues? I'm sorry but I'm pretty skeptic. Behringer, made in China, and ridicolous price switched on a "red alert light" in my head

11-13-2009, 05:21 AM	#13 (permalink)
siav Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 118	Re: Bugera amps well the cost for workers in China is really low compaired to workers in europe and noth america. That makes the difference. __________________ Kramer 600ST Gibson Les Paul STD 2005 Martin D16 Custom Marshall 6101 30th Anniversary Marshall 2555SL JCM Slash Rocktron VooduVale

11-13-2009, 09:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 2,358	Re: Bugera amps ah ! don't be so fast to jump all over marshalls back with your 333 , i have read alot on the net about guys having nothing but trouble with the bugera's fry'n up !!! when you have been around and done what marshall has done ...then you can throw out comments like that !!! __________________ MARSHALL 6100LM MARSHALL 1960A W/-G12H 30's CUSTOM BUILT 2X12 W/-V30's "MARSHALL" - only the best will do !

11-14-2009, 12:17 AM	#16 (permalink)
T-Bird Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Finland (Northern Europe) Posts: 214	Re: Bugera amps Hi. +1 for the above. While I have nothing against Asian mfg amps, or cheapo tube amps regardless of the place of origin, I wouldn't dream of comparing them with western ones. The back-breaker for me is the lack of CS. Try to get the schematics for a Behringer/Bugera or any other cheapo. Including Fame of course. While a tube amp can generally be diagnosed and repaired without schematics, it won't be feasible in most cases. The couple of hours that is needed for the diagnose may run the bill up to $100 even in the cheapest of places, without any actual work even done. For the Fame I have, BVH300, I traced the pre-amp schematics and put 'em to the net. Up until someone does that for the other cheapos, the owners are on their own. Bottom line, when a cheapo without proper CS dies, IT'S GONE. FOR GOOD. The 3 year warranty is helpful, but only for the original owner. Regards Sam

11-16-2009, 02:50 AM	#18 (permalink)
bloosman1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 298	Re: Bugera amps My ENT doctor told me not to pick bugeras, as my nose might start bleeding..... (Just a joke, take it easy.). I went to Denny's and had a "Ham-bugera" (Now THAT was bad.) __________________ Amps: JCM 2000 DSL 100 1960 A Cab. Fender Hot Rod Deville Fender Pro Jr. Pignose Axes: Fender 2009 American Standard Strat Fender 81 modified strat Fender 98 mim modified strat Fender 04 Highway 1 strat Gibson Swamp Ash Les Paul Studio Gibson Black Les Paul Studio Gibson SG Gothic Taylor Accoustic Washburn Accoustic Dobro 'M' Series Effects: Everything from a PODxt to analog...too darn many

11-14-2009, 03:49 AM	#17 (permalink)
nofearfactor Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: cold,dark... Posts: 228	Re: Bugera amps My rythym guitarist with the 333 into Bugera cab looks like a lost child at rehearsals when he tries to match up with my AX-FX Ultra/Marshall 9200 power amp/Marshall 1960 in stereo rig. __________________ myspace- http://www.myspace.com/nofearfactor some gear pics- http://community.webshots.com/album/...ecurity=QbSaeN

11-19-2009, 01:07 AM	#19 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 2,358	Re: Bugera amps Lol !!!!! Lol !!!! Thats good stuff !! __________________ MARSHALL 6100LM MARSHALL 1960A W/-G12H 30's CUSTOM BUILT 2X12 W/-V30's "MARSHALL" - only the best will do !

12-05-2009, 07:23 PM	#21 (permalink)
NewReligion Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 341	Re: Bugera amps They remind me of the B52 AT100's

12-05-2009, 09:21 PM	#22 (permalink)
bro blue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern USA Posts: 142	Re: Bugera amps Chuggy mentioned bringing money if you play one. This is true. They sound great.

12-17-2009, 12:27 AM	#24 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 2,358	Re: Bugera amps but here's away to look at it , with the release of the new MA series of amp from marshall , what the hell are you going to buy , a bugera or a marshall at the same price point etc !!!! thats an easy answer .... __________________ MARSHALL 6100LM MARSHALL 1960A W/-G12H 30's CUSTOM BUILT 2X12 W/-V30's "MARSHALL" - only the best will do !

01-04-2010, 02:19 AM	#25 (permalink)
jcmaniac Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 16	Re: Bugera amps Last year I needed an amp in a hurry for a gig so I bought a brand new 333. I really loved the sound and thought I was on a winner but after I only got one rehearsal and half a gig out of it before it died on stage I realised it was nothing but a piece of junk. All the shops in Sydney that stocked them no longer do so and when I ask about them all I get is pained looks. They have a bad rep here.

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