A Good Trade?

tyleroceans777 · 08-21-2009, 04:30 AM

I am trying to decide if i should trade my tsl 100 and 1960s cab for a fender blues deville 410... i don't even use the amps distortion, way too much gain for my taste so i wanted a good amp with an awesome clean tone and build my tone around that with something like a rat distortion pedal. i've always had a halfstack, but i like the idea of a combo amp and plus most stages we play mic amps so why would i want to haul that thing around? for looks?

i just want to hear anyones ideas if they agree or not. haha or their feelings on the deville?

Jesstaa · 08-21-2009, 04:36 AM

If it's a 4x10 combo, that's sitll gonna be big, and harder to lug around than a fullstack, at least full stacks can be seperated into 2 lighter parts

tyleroceans777 · 08-21-2009, 04:50 AM

thats what im saying though. i would rather have one maybe heavier thing in a case than have two pretty heavy things with two seperate cases to lug around, you know? its more of it just seems like too much hassle for me. but people look down on the combo amps (At least i know alot that do) just because a combo amp isnt a "show rig." i dont know... i just want everything i have to be simple and sound good. i've had such bad luck with stuff screwing up on the road and having a million things to check to find one little thing. and idk why but i feel like you lose more tone through a speaker cabinet too with the cable and such. maybe im crazy. haha but thank you for replying!

American Viking · 08-21-2009, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyleroceans777

i feel like you lose more tone through a speaker cabinet too with the cable and such. maybe im crazy. haha but thank you for replying!

lol considering there is a cable running to your speakers in combo amps as well! sound don't travel to the speakers through osmosis bro!

just messing with ya

combos are fine for the stage if used properly. I wouldn't use one for what I do but if I were to do another rockabilly or country project I would want one.

poeman33 · 08-21-2009, 11:54 AM

A Fender blues deville is a thousand bucks new at musicians friend, so I certainly wouldn't trade straight across. A Fender is certainly a great amp for clean sound.

tyleroceans777 · 08-21-2009, 01:43 PM

haha yeah i figured that much. it might just be all in my head but i just think the wires to the speakers in a combo amp instead of the cables (esp. if they're a bit long) can take away tone and maybe even add more noise. idk... i feel safer with a combo amp haha. and my band plays rock with kind of a 90s vibe, so im not gonna depend on the deville for my drive channel.

and im just tired of dealing with my tsl, you know? it's been a problem since i bought the thing. i know with whatever amp, esp. tube, you will have trouble with them but damn. too much hassle for me i guess.

but thanks dude!

Landshark · 08-27-2009, 05:14 AM

I can get a really sweet clean tone from my TSL... but if you're wanting that Fender clean sound and the prices are win win then go for it. I can role back the volume on my TSL and make it sound like a JMT 45... but ut doesn't quite get that sparkle like fender amps do. Combos aren't voodoo either. I think they show sensibility. If you only need a combo then why bring more right? I play in a modern hardcore and metal scene so a half stack is practicle for me but if you're playing a 90s rock scene then a combo is a good choice. Also the main thing is always going to be what sounds good to you. If you like the sound of the Fender over the TSL then go for it. Not everyone has to be an all Marshall man.

bro blue · 08-27-2009, 07:45 AM

If you are wanting clean cleans then you will probably be happier with it.

rockinr0ll · 08-27-2009, 09:08 AM

It doesn't really sound like a fair deal but if you want it I understand that it could be the easy way to do it. They are great amps though so it's up to you.

ironlung40 · 08-27-2009, 01:38 PM

sometimes it can be more hassle to try and sell a rig and get a maximum payment for it and then try to buy another rig at a good price. If you can trade for what you want, that may be the easiest and less hassling way of doing it. I personally don't know what a used deville would go for, nor do I know what a used TSL 1/2 stack is worth either. If I were you I'd double check on that so you're not out a lot if you trade.

One thing to consider though is that the cleans on a TSL are really really good. They may not be as sparkly as a fender but they can be pretty darn close if you eq them right. You can also put a lower gain preamp tube in for the clean channel and get it even closer. So if cleans are the main thing and not just that you like a combo better, you may want to experiment with your TSL more as it is a good rig. As far as great fender cleans, I think that the twin reverb is a lot better than the deville series. I owned a 2x12 deville and I didn't like it as good as my reverb. My twin also seems to take pedals a bit better. but of course, my opinion only, if you like the deville you like the deville. I just didn't like the deville's gain channel, so I thought it was waste to have one when I thought the twin was better at cleans and pedals, and that I'd never use the gain channel on the deville.

good luck to you though, I hope you get what you want and are happy with it.

Ironlung40

MartyStrat54 · 08-27-2009, 09:12 PM

Well I will honk my horn one more time. If you put good tubes in a TSL, the clean channel will sound fantastic. Don't believe me? Well how about all the people on the Preamp Tube thread? They are all believer's. The trick is a 7025 in V1. This tube really makes the green channel shine.

Riffraff · 08-28-2009, 07:42 AM

Excellent point Marty. That's a great low cost experiment to try before you dump your amp.

I see no problem at all using a combo. You can always mic it for more volume if you need to. Just find one with the versatility you need. I would try a Vox AC30 before jumping on the Deville. They have fantastic chimey cleans and better crunch than a Deville. A TSL to a Blues Deville is a huge change, going to an AC30 will be a more comfortable transition.

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Frank Speak · 08-29-2009, 10:30 AM

Have you played a DeVille? I don't know what variety of Fender clean you're looking for. If it's the sparkling clean sound, you won't get it from the Hot Rod Series. That circuit is loosely based on the Bassman. It's a darker sounding clean than the blackface Fenders like a Twin Reverb or Deluxe. If you want a REALLY good sounding clean, go for either a Super Reverb (4x10) or a Twin Reverb (2x12). I used to tour with 3 Twin Reverbs. My pedal board consisted of a Boss TU-2, Teese RM-1, Keeley modded Boss DS-1, Visual Sound Jekyl & Hyde, EB Volume Pedal and a Dan Electro Danecho. That was a GREAT sounding rig.

Another option is the Marshall 2061X and 2061CX matching 2x12 cab. It's only 20 watts, that's plenty for most small to medium clubs and especially since you mic everything. That's an extremely pedal friendly rig too.

bfglp · 08-29-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

Well I will honk my horn one more time. The trick is a 7025 in V1. This tube really makes the green channel shine.

spot on! the V1 is the key (closest preamp tube to the input) a less gainy tube will make it sparkel and one with more gain will make it mean!

tyleroceans777 · 08-30-2009, 12:24 AM

i thought about the twin reverb and the ac30, i just for some reason like the 410 aspect, you know? i think it meets everything halfway. haha but the fender deville im looking at is a reissue 80s blues amp. not the hot rod... i think. the hot rod models are black with the silver face and the blues is tweed with a brownish face. or something.

but i agree the twin and ac30s have probably some of the best clean tones i've ever played. our other guitar player plays an ac30 and loves it. but idk... im weird with tastes of amps and everything. i want the unusual and unexpected stuff that sounds just as good as the typical good stuff if that makes any sense.

i love my tsl, it was my first really good rig. i just want to move on i guess. if anyone has a matchless cheiftan they would like to let me have, i would love you forever!

haha. but really.

tyleroceans777 · 09-02-2009, 11:36 PM

Hey! to those of you who read this i just wanted to say... i couldn't do it. haha i kept my jcm2000. i got it out of the shop today and was on the way to trade it... but i wanted to play it one more time. i took it home and as soon as i plugged it in, that was it. i had to keep it. it was kind of like an old girlfriend, you dont really know what you have until you dont have it and realize that lol.

i am getting some things fixed in it though to improve the clean tone and stop the bias drift... but im keeping it and my 1960s cab.

i even had someone who was gonna trade me a fender supersonic head and 2x12 cab for it! but i chickened out. haha i couldnt get over it! it just looked and sounded so good today. i was definitely stressing too because i was tired of playing through that damn 5150 II.

another thing that made me happy today was i used a sunn 4x12 guitar cabinet with my tsl and wow... haha. i want it so so bad.

i guess theres no need to keep this thread going now since i decided. but thank you all! and i guess i get to stay on here and talk about marshalls some more, huh. i will keep posting so look for me! or something.

Gtrman58 · 09-14-2009, 10:01 AM

Glad to hear you kept the Marshall. I own a 2-12 Deville. Its a great amp. I dumped my Marshall super lead years ago and replaced it with a smaller amp and always regretted it. They (smaller amps) are great on the back, but you'll never again have the same sound/crunch that the closed back 4-12 has.

You hit the nail on the head about it being like an old girlfriend....if you still got the hots for a Fender combo ( deville, hot rod or what ever) they go for alot less money than a Marshall half stack. Keep your eyes open and you'll find one.

gemather · 09-15-2009, 01:30 PM

I love the females and Marshall amplifikation.
You can rock the house with a Marshall amp`n`cab.

MartyStrat54 · 09-15-2009, 04:17 PM

Glad you kept it. You should seriously consider putting some NOS tubes in V1 and V2. It will make a beautiful change to your amp. We have done extensive testing and as I said, a medium gain 7025 in V1 and a high gain tube like an Amperex in V2 will really make that DSL shine.

08-21-2009, 04:30 AM	#1 (permalink)
tyleroceans777 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The 540, Virginia Posts: 47	A Good Trade? I am trying to decide if i should trade my tsl 100 and 1960s cab for a fender blues deville 410... i don't even use the amps distortion, way too much gain for my taste so i wanted a good amp with an awesome clean tone and build my tone around that with something like a rat distortion pedal. i've always had a halfstack, but i like the idea of a combo amp and plus most stages we play mic amps so why would i want to haul that thing around? for looks? i just want to hear anyones ideas if they agree or not. haha or their feelings on the deville?

08-21-2009, 04:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jesstaa Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Gippsland, Vic, Australia. Posts: 1,063	Re: A Good Trade? If it's a 4x10 combo, that's sitll gonna be big, and harder to lug around than a fullstack, at least full stacks can be seperated into 2 lighter parts __________________ GEAR LIST Marshall JCM900 4100 (6L6) (1995) Marshall Valvestate 1965A cab (????) Cort VX-2V (2008) H&S 7 String (Years are over rated) TUBES/SPEAKERS Power: Groove Tube 6L6GCB Phase Inverter: Chinese 12AX7A Pre: V1 - N.O.S Mullard ECC83. V2 Chinese 12AX7A Speakers: Celestion G10L-35 Marshall forever My tube amp & Real Music appreciation forum

08-21-2009, 04:50 AM	#3 (permalink)
tyleroceans777 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The 540, Virginia Posts: 47	Re: A Good Trade? thats what im saying though. i would rather have one maybe heavier thing in a case than have two pretty heavy things with two seperate cases to lug around, you know? its more of it just seems like too much hassle for me. but people look down on the combo amps (At least i know alot that do) just because a combo amp isnt a "show rig." i dont know... i just want everything i have to be simple and sound good. i've had such bad luck with stuff screwing up on the road and having a million things to check to find one little thing. and idk why but i feel like you lose more tone through a speaker cabinet too with the cable and such. maybe im crazy. haha but thank you for replying!

08-21-2009, 11:54 AM	#5 (permalink)
poeman33 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 474	Re: A Good Trade? A Fender blues deville is a thousand bucks new at musicians friend, so I certainly wouldn't trade straight across. A Fender is certainly a great amp for clean sound. __________________ --------------- Marshall JCM2000 DSL50 Avatar Vintage 4x12 cab Fender American Deluxe HSS Strat Ash body

08-21-2009, 01:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
tyleroceans777 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The 540, Virginia Posts: 47	Re: A Good Trade? haha yeah i figured that much. it might just be all in my head but i just think the wires to the speakers in a combo amp instead of the cables (esp. if they're a bit long) can take away tone and maybe even add more noise. idk... i feel safer with a combo amp haha. and my band plays rock with kind of a 90s vibe, so im not gonna depend on the deville for my drive channel. and im just tired of dealing with my tsl, you know? it's been a problem since i bought the thing. i know with whatever amp, esp. tube, you will have trouble with them but damn. too much hassle for me i guess. but thanks dude! __________________ Let the dead bury their own dead! Will you still love me in famine as when love began at the harvest? Or would you gain the whole world... Son, I love you at your darkest. But what good is the whole world when I promise no tomorrow? I only promise your tomorrows will never take you past my palm. Love, what is love without trust? At my word would you bring your Isaac? Son, I loved you at your darkest...

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08-27-2009, 05:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
Landshark Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Terre Haute, Indiana Posts: 583	Re: A Good Trade? I can get a really sweet clean tone from my TSL... but if you're wanting that Fender clean sound and the prices are win win then go for it. I can role back the volume on my TSL and make it sound like a JMT 45... but ut doesn't quite get that sparkle like fender amps do. Combos aren't voodoo either. I think they show sensibility. If you only need a combo then why bring more right? I play in a modern hardcore and metal scene so a half stack is practicle for me but if you're playing a 90s rock scene then a combo is a good choice. Also the main thing is always going to be what sounds good to you. If you like the sound of the Fender over the TSL then go for it. Not everyone has to be an all Marshall man. __________________ Gibson Les Paul Studio Schecter S-1 Elite Marshall JCM 2000 TSL Vox AC 100 CPH Laney 4x12-WGS ET65's modded basketweave grill cloth

08-27-2009, 07:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
bro blue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern USA Posts: 142	Re: A Good Trade? If you are wanting clean cleans then you will probably be happier with it.

08-27-2009, 09:08 AM	#9 (permalink)
rockinr0ll Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,602	Re: A Good Trade? It doesn't really sound like a fair deal but if you want it I understand that it could be the easy way to do it. They are great amps though so it's up to you.

08-27-2009, 01:38 PM	#10 (permalink)
ironlung40 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 615	Re: A Good Trade? sometimes it can be more hassle to try and sell a rig and get a maximum payment for it and then try to buy another rig at a good price. If you can trade for what you want, that may be the easiest and less hassling way of doing it. I personally don't know what a used deville would go for, nor do I know what a used TSL 1/2 stack is worth either. If I were you I'd double check on that so you're not out a lot if you trade. One thing to consider though is that the cleans on a TSL are really really good. They may not be as sparkly as a fender but they can be pretty darn close if you eq them right. You can also put a lower gain preamp tube in for the clean channel and get it even closer. So if cleans are the main thing and not just that you like a combo better, you may want to experiment with your TSL more as it is a good rig. As far as great fender cleans, I think that the twin reverb is a lot better than the deville series. I owned a 2x12 deville and I didn't like it as good as my reverb. My twin also seems to take pedals a bit better. but of course, my opinion only, if you like the deville you like the deville. I just didn't like the deville's gain channel, so I thought it was waste to have one when I thought the twin was better at cleans and pedals, and that I'd never use the gain channel on the deville. good luck to you though, I hope you get what you want and are happy with it. Ironlung40

08-29-2009, 10:30 AM	#13 (permalink)
Frank Speak Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 53	Re: A Good Trade? Have you played a DeVille? I don't know what variety of Fender clean you're looking for. If it's the sparkling clean sound, you won't get it from the Hot Rod Series. That circuit is loosely based on the Bassman. It's a darker sounding clean than the blackface Fenders like a Twin Reverb or Deluxe. If you want a REALLY good sounding clean, go for either a Super Reverb (4x10) or a Twin Reverb (2x12). I used to tour with 3 Twin Reverbs. My pedal board consisted of a Boss TU-2, Teese RM-1, Keeley modded Boss DS-1, Visual Sound Jekyl & Hyde, EB Volume Pedal and a Dan Electro Danecho. That was a GREAT sounding rig. Another option is the Marshall 2061X and 2061CX matching 2x12 cab. It's only 20 watts, that's plenty for most small to medium clubs and especially since you mic everything. That's an extremely pedal friendly rig too.

08-30-2009, 12:24 AM	#15 (permalink)
tyleroceans777 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The 540, Virginia Posts: 47	Re: A Good Trade? i thought about the twin reverb and the ac30, i just for some reason like the 410 aspect, you know? i think it meets everything halfway. haha but the fender deville im looking at is a reissue 80s blues amp. not the hot rod... i think. the hot rod models are black with the silver face and the blues is tweed with a brownish face. or something. but i agree the twin and ac30s have probably some of the best clean tones i've ever played. our other guitar player plays an ac30 and loves it. but idk... im weird with tastes of amps and everything. i want the unusual and unexpected stuff that sounds just as good as the typical good stuff if that makes any sense. i love my tsl, it was my first really good rig. i just want to move on i guess. if anyone has a matchless cheiftan they would like to let me have, i would love you forever! haha. but really. __________________ Let the dead bury their own dead! Will you still love me in famine as when love began at the harvest? Or would you gain the whole world... Son, I love you at your darkest. But what good is the whole world when I promise no tomorrow? I only promise your tomorrows will never take you past my palm. Love, what is love without trust? At my word would you bring your Isaac? Son, I loved you at your darkest...

09-02-2009, 11:36 PM	#16 (permalink)
tyleroceans777 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The 540, Virginia Posts: 47	Re: A Good Trade? Hey! to those of you who read this i just wanted to say... i couldn't do it. haha i kept my jcm2000. i got it out of the shop today and was on the way to trade it... but i wanted to play it one more time. i took it home and as soon as i plugged it in, that was it. i had to keep it. it was kind of like an old girlfriend, you dont really know what you have until you dont have it and realize that lol. i am getting some things fixed in it though to improve the clean tone and stop the bias drift... but im keeping it and my 1960s cab. i even had someone who was gonna trade me a fender supersonic head and 2x12 cab for it! but i chickened out. haha i couldnt get over it! it just looked and sounded so good today. i was definitely stressing too because i was tired of playing through that damn 5150 II. another thing that made me happy today was i used a sunn 4x12 guitar cabinet with my tsl and wow... haha. i want it so so bad. i guess theres no need to keep this thread going now since i decided. but thank you all! and i guess i get to stay on here and talk about marshalls some more, huh. i will keep posting so look for me! or something. __________________ Let the dead bury their own dead! Will you still love me in famine as when love began at the harvest? Or would you gain the whole world... Son, I love you at your darkest. But what good is the whole world when I promise no tomorrow? I only promise your tomorrows will never take you past my palm. Love, what is love without trust? At my word would you bring your Isaac? Son, I loved you at your darkest...

09-14-2009, 10:01 AM	#17 (permalink)
Gtrman58 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 191	Re: A Good Trade? Glad to hear you kept the Marshall. I own a 2-12 Deville. Its a great amp. I dumped my Marshall super lead years ago and replaced it with a smaller amp and always regretted it. They (smaller amps) are great on the back, but you'll never again have the same sound/crunch that the closed back 4-12 has. You hit the nail on the head about it being like an old girlfriend....if you still got the hots for a Fender combo ( deville, hot rod or what ever) they go for alot less money than a Marshall half stack. Keep your eyes open and you'll find one. __________________ 2009 JCM 2000 Dsl 100 JCM 900 LEAD 1960A MLB MC412A 1951 Fender Deluxe 2006 Hot Rod Deluxe 1995 Blues Junior 1995 Blues Deville Vox Path Finder 1982 Legend A 30 1980 Gibson Herritage Cherry Sunburst L.P. Standard 1980 Explorer White with gold HW 2000 52 Telecaster USA RI 1983 57 Strat LH USA RI 2003 57 Strat USA RI 1960 Silvertone Danelectro 1994 Fender P-bass 68 RI Acoustic guitars....not enough space to list !!!!! Last edited by Gtrman58; 09-16-2009 at 08:39 AM.

09-15-2009, 01:30 PM	#18 (permalink)
gemather Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: northern europ Posts: 36	Re: A Good Trade? I love the females and Marshall amplifikation. You can rock the house with a Marshall amp`n`cab.

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