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Unread 04-03-2009, 06:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

What do you guys think of this old Amp?
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Unread 04-04-2009, 04:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

I think it's beautiful, apparently early 80's? I listened to a utube of it and it sounded good.
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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

I got this one on the way. Bought it on-line. A Friend of my has one, a 1x12 30watt and that one gets the right Grind.
Really Amazing for a Solid State and the sound just Floored-me. I love the Oak Cabinets. Just look at this corner joint and it looks good in the living room
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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

Hey cuda! It looks awesome. I've heard of these, but never seen one in person. How much did you pay for it? I heard they are very similar to an 80's Mesa Boogie. The circuitry is similar. Man they just did get two twelve's crammed in there, didn't they?

Keep us posted as to when you get it and how it rocks out.

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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

Thanx's Marty. I paided 375.00 for that one and just missed a all tube soild oak head for 425.00. P.S. What Mesa are they like?
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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

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Thanx's Marty. I paided 375.00 for that one and just missed a all tube soild oak head for 425.00. P.S. What Mesa are they like?
I thought this was a 50W tube amp. I now see it is solid state. Didn't Legend make an all tube amp? That's what I was thinking about.

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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

Does this amp have a tube preamp and solid state power like a Randall? That one picture shows what appears to be 12AX7's.

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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

Yea, it just got here today and came with the 12ax7 I think wr's soveks with a Fender label. I popped in some old Marshall ec83's and it really didn't change the sound much and at first really didn't like the way it sounded

So I hooked it to my Ashdown Tube Half Stack Cab



and hooked a cable to the preamp output power input to enable the extra gain stage thats #5 below

and Man I love this thing. Its unbelievable. It really doesn't have a bottom end, but that's O.K. It lites-up the "G" "B" and high "E" strings like no other amp has, and even gives me a real good broken up Clean sound. This thing is Flat out hot Classic Rock & Roll sound-in all it's own.

I just found this on the net and got it 280.00 shipped and when I get it Ill put them together and make the head the master and the combo the slave.

I haven't been moved by a amp in a long time. I would of never know it would of been a hybrid. Wow.
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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

P.S Marty what the hell are these Blue things next to the preamp tubes. I think there are 5 or 6 of them.
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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

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P.S Marty what the hell are these Blue things next to the preamp tubes. I think there are 5 or 6 of them.
Those are power filter capacitors. You probably have four or six of them, as they would be an even number representing the same number of power transistors found in the amp.

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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

Kool. Power filter capacitors. Actually there a 5. Are they still available and can one tweak an amps sound through those.
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Kool. Power filter capacitors. Actually there a 5. Are they still available and can one tweak an amps sound through those.
Are all five the same value, or is one different from the others? Since it is a solid state amp, the working voltages will be much lower than a tube amp. Check the voltage and the capacitance values on each of the capacitors. Four of them should go to the power transistors and one should work in the same circuit as the power trannie. They can't be changed out to alter the tone, but they affect the tone if they are going bad. Those are newer style caps that last a little longer than the earlier (all aluminum) styles. I would think they are good, but only a bench test will say for sure. This is only a 50 watt amp and it looks to be overbuilt, so I would say that the caps are okay.

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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

Legend Amps used to be made here in Syracuse, NY. They are essentially a Marshall tube preamp with a Kustom solid state power amp. At one point they were built inthe Kustom factory. ZZ Top used them on one album. VERY LOUD! I've had a few in the shop.
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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

I had to sell, due to times being kinda tough right now. I did make out real good.
I sold the 2 Speakers for what I paided for the amp and sold the amp without Speakers for 350.00.

I miss that thing
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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

I had a Legend amp back in the 80s. Didn't really care for it.
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Didn't Legend make an all tube amp? That's what I was thinking about.

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Legend only made hybird amps with tube preamps and solid state power. people see those blue caps hanging and think there tubes.
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What Mesa are they like?
my Legend A30 with a G12H100 speaker and some Mesa 12ax7's sounds just like my friends Mesa studio .22

just like any amp with a tube they are sensitive to tube changes, it took several changes for me to be happy with it.
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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

I still have my old legend A 30 with a celestion in it. Its near mint. Just put some JJ's in the pre amp. The amp wasn't the greatest ever sounding amp but the reliability was awesome. Never had a problem. Well, I had to clean the pots about three times in 27 years, but thats not too bad.

I heard from a couple of guys these babies are starting to become collectible.Wonder how true that is?
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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

collectible yes but the a30 112 combo is only worth about $300.oo or less the rock&roll 50 about the same. 212 combos and heads with 212 cabinets around four hundred. the 100watt supper lead stack is the most collected. and they also made some 410 combos that you dont see for sale often.
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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

Well I took my A-30 with a couple old fender amps to my local GC and they all jumped on the Legend and gave it a run. I guess these youngsters never seen one before. When they looked in back and saw the celestion it gave it some added mystic!

Thats the only amp they wanted to give me anything for on a trade for the DSL 100 half stack special they were running.. a 100.00 bucks on trade !!! Wow! Would about cover the taxes on the new rig.

I said no and walked. I will keep it for a back up.

Ended up getting the DSL 100 for alot less online!
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Wow my latest issue of Vintage Guitar has my A-30 listed as 350.00 good condition 475.00 in excellent condition. Hmmmmm
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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

I was the originator of Legend Amps. If I can be of any help answering any questions don't hesitate to ask.
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I was the originator of Legend Amps. If I can be of any help answering any questions don't hesitate to ask.
I have one; whatever happened to you guys?

I don't know if I grew up in a weird time warp or wrinkle or what, but in the mid to late 80's, I saw your stuff everywhere. I knew at least 5 or 6 guys that had a Legend Amp; one guy who played in my brother's band had two. Then, one day......POOF!.....gone.

I always liked some of the more oddball, off-name, small-brand stuff, as much of it was really under-rated and if you were seltive, usually a pretty good bargain. Legend was one of those companies that, like Univox, I thought got a rap in some circles it deserved better than.

What happened?

Also, the scuttlebutt at the time was that you were using essentially Marshall or Fender tube pre-amps and Kustom solid-state power sections. Any truth there?
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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

I know this is a dead thread, but in case you were still wondering I have info on the Rock N Roll 50 or GH50 Legend amps. I got into contact with the owner of the company a few weeks back. He told me the design is the same as Mesa from the era and he worked for mesa before starting the company. Then Gibson bought them out and ran it into the ground. Mine was one of the first made. The first year. They were built from 1981-1987 only no later or earlier. They were only solid state. Pre amp tubed. But were very loud. I use it as it is very loud to run pedals through and it works great. They are 4 ohm. 3 12 ax7 tubes. was the loudest (still could be) 50 watt amp. Billy gibbons used it on the eliminator album and toured with a legend rock n roll 50. Many other artist were endorsed by legend as well. The circuitry is of a solid state mesa of the era the owner told me. He was working with Kustoms in the Kustoms factory to produce them. They are of High quality and very rare. since they were only built for 6 years. But back in the day they were expensive for the time. Made of finger jointed oak. I love mine picked it up for 400 bucks and I think its worth the vintage vibe I get. EVERY PART WAS MADE IN AMERICA SO YOU KNOW ITS STRONG.
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I wish I never sold mine. I remember the cab was nice . Finger joined oak corners with pure cane front grill and jumping thhe outputs really lite that up.
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You ran a patch from the preamp to the power out right?
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Im not sure now Its been a few yrs. I'D HAVE TO CHECK. but it sure sounded soo much better I remember that
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Here ya go Dude.
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Re: Legend Rock & Roll 50 combo, Anyone?

have this exact amp - bought it on eBay for $250 last year! I'm looking for recommendations on how to set it up and get good tone at reasonable volume. There are actually several volume controls - Master & Pre-amp on the front, plus Color Gain and Presence controls, THEN, there are two vol controls on the back. Any suggestions for setting all of these for some good distortion and bite without losing your hearing? Thanks!

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I didn't own this amp long enough to get to know it workings inside and out like many do.

One trick that I did try was getting a maximum saturation tone with the preamp set dirty and then running a patch cord from the preamp "send" to the power amp "return" and then cranking the volume knob (on the back of the amp) all the way up. Legend's SS power amp section responds very much like a typical tube power amp. Just another great and unique thing about this wonderful combo amp.
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