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Unread 10-30-2012, 12:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

I have marshall 1987 that i like the sound of. what i do not like is the size of the cabinet. it also needs a pedal in front of it for breakup at club levels. so with that being said it is really more powerfull than what i need. maybe i am the minority here but the cabinet size is just really a lot bigger than it needs to be. i am into keeping it as simple and compact as possible.

looking for an amp that is either a combo or small box head that is 30 to 40 watts. choices in that range seem very limited. the 40 watt haze has effects that just don't need to be there imo. the jmp small box heads are too expensive. the blues deluxe needs to be modded to get rid of the flub. had an egnater tweaker 15 watt, loved the tone of the amp it is just not loud enought to keep up with the band. also not crazy about the 40 watt tweaker because of the amount of switches and knobs. i like simple... the peavey classic 30 watt needs to be modded as well or i'd go for that. the fender deluxe reverb sounds great imo just not powerful enough. maybe i should try a jcm 800 combo, one of my main issues with the 1987 is that i have to lug around a big pedal board. with a jcm 800 combo i would be able to get gain from the amp at lower levels with less pedals. was really hoping for more options in the 30-40 watt range though.
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Unread 10-30-2012, 12:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

really?....because the Egnater Tweaker 40 is the bomb...and really very easy to get great tones out of-
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

Vox AC30?
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

Cornford Roadhouse 30.
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

I had my suspicions at first, but the DSL40-C is actually a great sounding amp. Don't let the Made in Vietnam thing fool you; they're great amps. The DSL15H is pretty nice as well, but not within the 30-40watt range.
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Unread 10-30-2012, 03:18 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

i will check all these out.
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

Another vote for the Tweaker 40 here - just set the switches how you like them then it's gain, volume x 2 with shared treble, middle & bass - simples
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Unread 10-30-2012, 04:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

the dsl has too many knobs for my taste. i wish it were simpler. i guess i should also say i'd like to stay under $1000 so that rules out the cornford 30.

the vintage ac 30's are real expensive and i played a modern one at guitar mart that did not have the same mojo (or even close for that matter). maybe there are some other ac30 reissues that come close. i'll look into that.

the tweaker 40 watt is becoming more appealing as my search continues. also looking into old bandmasters and vibroverbs.

wow! that orange rocker 30 has insane gain.

wondering what is different between the blues and hot rod deluxe?
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

not a small box but the Bogner alchemist rev C is awesome. it has notch switches on the panel that take it into full on extreme metall territory but without them it's old school fender/jtm45ish tones and low watt hi-watt tones. it's a really toneful amp imo.
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

I second the DSL40C, but I don't know if it's too big for what you want. As for all those knobs, I was intimidated at first, but quickly realized it was simple to operate. I just got it 4 days ago and I absolutely love it. I do wish it was a little lighter though.
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

Blues Deluxe has a lot less gain that a Hot Rod Deluxe to my ears.

Both very loud at low settings.
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Dirty Steve has a cool avatar !!!
Oh, try the EVH 5150 III 50 watt ---the amp kicks ass !!!
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Peavey Classic 30.
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

Twisted minds like mine think alike! I've seen three posted here that I know got to be up your alley friend! Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Peavey Classic 30, Vox AC 30...........all three of these are bitchen' amps to this old boy. I'm sure there are more out there too! Do try before you buy!
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Twisted minds like mine think alike! I've seen three posted here that I know got to be up your alley friend! Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Peavey Classic 30, Vox AC 30...........all three of these are bitchen' amps to this old boy. I'm sure there are more out there too! Do try before you buy!
There are more but this is a good top 3 for sure..
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How about a Vintage Modern?

It's a JTM45 with a "Drive" mode, loop and Master Volume. If I remember correctly the low dynamic mode is only about 35W.
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It's a JTM45 with a "Drive" mode, loop and Master Volume. If I remember correctly the low dynamic mode is only about 35W.
I love my JTM45..
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Add a PPIMV to your 1987 and get another head box for it.
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

jtm 45 is a bery good consideration.

my model 1987 is a jcm 800 series, i would need a smaller chassis. and need it rewired into the smaller chassis or i would get a small box.

the ppivmv is a whole nother ball of wax. wondering who does this mod locally. i live in cleveland ohio.

having an amp made with quality components is also getting more and more appealing. there is something about the fender hot rod series and blues series that just sounds ice picky to me if that makes sense. i have a pal with one of those peavey classics, i'll have to ask if i can play it sometime soon. i have a feeling it has some tone issues as well from the reviews i read. a lot of people end up modding both of those.

btw thanks for all the suggestions, i am slowly researching and reviewing all of them.
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i have 50 watter already that i like however i never get a chance to get the power amp tubes really cookin' cause it's too loud.
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

Another suggestion...Crate Palomino V32. Played one a few months back at a local shop...may be the only Crate I like...and I like it A LOT.
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i have 50 watter already that i like however i never get a chance to get the power amp tubes really cookin' cause it's too loud.
You will proably have the same problem with a 30 Watt amp. There is not that much difference in perceived loudness. Maybe a good attenuator is the answer?
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

i agree.

if your 50 watter is unmanagable, a jtm45 aint gonna work out either. what is it? a difference of 3dB between a 50w and a 100w? i think thats the formula. so a 25w to 50w would be the same ratio.

im surprised the tweaker 15 wasnt loud enough. that 15w rating is VERY conservative, and by my measurements is actually running close to 30w full output power, 15w before power tube breakup. and it cuts thru a mix like a knife.

speaker efficiency can have the same effect as the ratio between 50 and 100. depending on what your running now...just a speaker change could boost or attenuate that same 3dB in percieved loudness.

if your looking for power tube breakup, a 40watter will still be blowing your head off imo.
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

Ampeg VL-501 (single channel) VL-502 (dual channel)

Lee Jackson designed & have built in attenuators, which let you get the power tubes nice & warm.

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It's a dual channel amp. It has twice the preamp knobs - 1 set for each channel. Once set, they are a non issue...
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

Fender Bandmaster at 40 watts sounds really good at low and high volume. I also have a Vox AC15 that is super simple and sounds great and can be played super loud or quiet. Another Fender thats interested me is the Supersonic at 22 watts.
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I (think) the speakers i used are called celestion g12-70's, in a 4-12" cab. could be mistaken though. yeah on it's own the 15w tweaker to my ears sounded like it would fit in perfectly. when the band kicked in it was a bit too quiet for rock. i was bummed, the tone is amazing and the size was real compact.

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was eventually going to use the 15w tweaker with the vai 2-12 cabinet, never bothered after the 4-12' was not enough.
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Re: 30 to 40 watt tube amp that has a simple layout that sounds good with out mods?

its probably already been mentioned, but a post phase inverter master volume mod would do the trick on your jcm, and would probably get the job done quite a bit cheaper than a high quality attenuator.

i have one installed on my jtm45 clone, it kicks ass at virtually any volume. but SPL has a lot to do with percieved tone in a room as well. when you can feel those speakers thumping...it feels good.
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+1 for the Orange Rocker 30, great sounding amp
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