NewReligion

I have discovered that IMO the effects loop SUCKS on my 2001 Bogner Shiva. Could not seem to get much volume before clipping occured. I stopped using anything (Quadraverb) in the loop and holy shit what was a great sounding (but not loud enough) hot rodded 2203-ish toy turned into a Freaking Beast! Inspiration has hit while playing dry without effects. I am such a tone chasing head hunter. I adore all of my amps for different reasons and this one is clear yet saturated with the 2203 mid hump.

But alas, the signal and tone goes to shit on this amp if the loop is used.

Thought I would share this observation with anyone thinking of buyingz a Shiva. Again this is a 2001 EL34 Dual Reverb model. The reverb does not work, I believe due to the foot pedal. I need to get off of my lazy ass and repair it.

The preamp is loaded with 7025's.

I need a couple more 1960BV cabs. Running 2 heads into a split 412 always sounds bad to my ear. I need dedicated cabs.

Sorry for the RANT...

David

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DPTONE5

Interesting David....thanks for sharing. Having a few different amps can really keep the quest for tone fresh!!

I think 7025's are awesome pre-amp tubes!

DP

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StratoMarshall

Nice! Sometimes changing up the way you do things provides new sounds and inspiration!

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NewReligion

I have always read about tone sucking but this is the first time that it has been so obvious.

In fact, this is the first time I have enjoyed playing a dry signal at all volume levels on a single amp other than the JCM 800 2210. Much like the 2210, this amp compresses very nicely.

NewReligion

Absolutely. I am very pleased if only for the moment lol. JK. I am now looking at a 1981 JMP version of the 2203 but I have tried "several" JMP/JCM 2203's and not quite been sold on them to include the first one I bought in 1982. But maybe, see if the guy will drop the $. Point is this amp now sounds like what I tried to mod a couple of 2203's into until I use the loop then it becomes a Line 6! No shit, really, like a Line 6 toy.

I am sure Mr Bogner would not like to hear that but he must be aware.

David

bulldozer1984

i played a brand new Shiva a couple of months back, and i didnt think it sounded very nice on the dirty channel. The clean channel however is absolutely stunning. Very pristine !

The dirty channel to me sounded very grainy. I dont think the loop was engaged as this was a demo amp in a shop..

maybe it was just my shitty fingers, but seriously my JVM ate it !

diesect20022000

yeah i can see that. the rectoverb has a really shitty loop too but without anything in the loop it's a frickin BEAST.

now that i know what you like in terms of tone you should give an alchemist a shot. it's smooth and clear. i am not saying buy one but i think you'd like them and for the price....they're very much a sleeper.

Wycked Lester

NR, just wondering .....

what if you run a jumper cable from the send to the return, does that make it sound worse, or no difference?

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Second favorite head - Jubilee

My #1 Guitar - 98 Custom Shop Jackson Soloist-Mike Shannon Built
My #2 Guitar - 1982 Les Paul Std.

I dig blues and metal.

"IF IT'S TOO LOUD, YOUR TOO CLOSE"

NewReligion

Hmm good point. Surprised I didn't think of that myself. I was so excited and moved with the spirit of tone my mind went blank.

I will check it out when I get home.

pedecamp

Sounds like the loop needs to be re-engineered. Thats a shame such a great sounding amp and cant use the loop or reverb. I bet a good tech could remedy both.

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NewReligion

Nothing grainy about this amp. Less headroom than the 2203 which goes hand and hand with more gain.

NewReligion

I just got the Reverb working on the Gain Channel. Very pleased with this amp now!

David

KH Guitar Freak

Have you checked that the preamp valve for the FX loop is working fine???

mickeydg5

NR, do you have this stuff?
= Bogner Custom Shop =

Check out effects loop portion.
http://bogneramplification.com/custo...hivaManual.php

and
http://bogneramplification.com/custo...pConstruct.php

NewReligion

Yes Sir. Thank you for the good thought.

David

NewReligion

I'll be DAMNED! This is it. I had no Idea.

Thanks Bro, Much Respect.

David

mickeydg5

Very much welcome.

It seems Shivas before 2006 need this addressed and later models were modified to adapt.

Some line level adjustments would be nice.???

NewReligion

Well now, guess this very well may explain why someone before me continued to blow fuses and any other issues (Reverb) that may be present.

I will fab a cable this afternoon.

Thanks again.

bulldozer1984

god work MickyD. I must say, i cant believe that Bogner would biuld an amp like this. One you have to modify a cable just to use the FX Loop.. Crazy.. But at least you now know David !

NewReligion

Hells Bells, I find it hard to believe as well. Nice to know that it is working as designed LMFAO!!!!!!!

bulldozer1984

Lol true man. Hey least u can say one thing, they keep to their word haha

NewReligion

The thing is, I called and talked to Charlie at Bogner not once, not twice but three damned times about various things and this solution never came up. I did mention clipping when using the loop. We nalso discussed reported issues that I never had but for the most part we ID year and discussed the reverb issue. IDK, makes me wonder.

I mean WTF, lol.

NewReligion

But She does sound good: That is right where I tried to get my 2203's to operate and function.

mickeydg5

In Bogners defense sort of, I think most if not all of their amplifier loops are set up for +4dBm although it is not really specifically mentioned. It would have been nice if Bogner incorporated level adjusters.

David, your Quadraverb should be able to to handle the +4 if things are set up right. Maybe if it were setup prior for a lower line level the new higher line level from the Shiva will put it into OVERLOAD.

NewReligion

Yes Sir. There is a input and output volume control on the front of the Alesis in addition to clipping led's. However, I still can not get the high volume without out clipping when using the loop. In addition, it really clips when on the clean channel and toggling between single coil and hum bucket.

bulldozer1984

Hum Bucket

Do you mind if i use that 1 ??? hahaha

mickeydg5

I generally like chum buckers myself. They keep it clean when dispensing aural carnage.

Is that funny or gory?

bulldozer1984

Hmm that's pretty weird man

Wycked Lester

mod?? wtf?

wow, glad ya figured it out.....

did ya tell Bates?

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I have a bunch of amps and guitars...

My favorite head ever - 2203
Second favorite head - Jubilee

My #1 Guitar - 98 Custom Shop Jackson Soloist-Mike Shannon Built
My #2 Guitar - 1982 Les Paul Std.

I dig blues and metal.

"IF IT'S TOO LOUD, YOUR TOO CLOSE"

NewReligion

Yeah, I told him last night. He's now going to call Bogner to check the year of his Shiva.