Blackstar ID Series

Initiator ov Chaos 11 · 06-13-2012, 01:45 PM

Anybody have any info on the release date of these amps? Also price info? These amps look very promising. I am definately not a fan of modeling amps, or alot of solid state stuff, but Blackstar has really impressed me with the HT Venue Series. And I have been on the lookout for a good solid state amp as a backup for my HT Club 40.

HeHasTheJazzHands · 06-13-2012, 01:53 PM

No clue, yet.

And If they sound anything like they do in the demos... Avoid.

Initiator ov Chaos 11 · 06-13-2012, 01:58 PM

Which demos do you refer to? All of them?

HeHasTheJazzHands · 06-13-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Initiator ov Chaos 11

Which demos do you refer to? All of them?

There was a promo demo before this year's MusikMesse that I didn't like too much, and then there was one during MusikMesse that sounded terrible. Just a fizzy mess.

zachman · 06-13-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by initiator ov chaos 11

anybody have any info on the release date of these amps? Also price info? These amps look very promising. I am definately not a fan of modeling amps, or alot of solid state stuff, but blackstar has really impressed me with the ht venue series. and i have been on the lookout for a good solid state amp as a backup for my ht club 40.

why??

Initiator ov Chaos 11 · 06-14-2012, 07:02 PM

Why not?

zachman · 06-14-2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Initiator ov Chaos 11

Why not?

You tell me. You're the one looking for a "Backup" to a ht club 40, but preferring that it be a SS amp-- instead of a ht club 40, as a "Backup".

Logic, Efficiency, and Common sense suggest-- IF you are looking for the types of sounds that you've described as your goals/preferences-- That you should start your search with the gear which actually provides it-- NOT try every other piece of gear, which couldn't be farthest from likelihood of achieving the goal-- like trying to find something else to sound like a ht club 40. Use the freakin ht club 40.

Just saying, you seem to be the only thing preventing you from getting the results you're after, because you're choosing a crooked road, instead of taking the straight and OBVIOUS (to me anyway), path.

My $.02

Initiator ov Chaos 11 · 06-15-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by zachman

You tell me. You're the one looking for a "Backup" to a ht club 40, but preferring that it be a SS amp-- instead of a ht club 40, as a "Backup".

Logic, Efficiency, and Common sense suggest-- IF you are looking for the types of sounds that you've described as your goals/preferences-- That you should start your search with the gear which actually provides it-- NOT try every other piece of gear, which couldn't be farthest from likelihood of achieving the goal-- like trying to find something else to sound like a ht club 40. Use the freakin ht club 40.

Just saying, you seem to be the only thing preventing you from getting the results you're after, because you're choosing a crooked road, instead of taking the straight and OBVIOUS (to me anyway), path.

My $.02

When I say backup amp I mean something that is of good quality and decent sound. I am not saying that I need my backup to be on the same level as my current amp. I just want something to jam on, take on the road, and not have to baby like my Blackstar. For now, my HT 40 sounds perfect to me. I could not be more happy with the tone and quality for its price.

zachman · 06-15-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Initiator ov Chaos 11

When I say backup amp I mean something that is of good quality and decent sound. I am not saying that I need my backup to be on the same level as my current amp. I just want something to jam on, take on the road, and not have to baby like my Blackstar. For now, my HT 40 sounds perfect to me. I could not be more happy with the tone and quality for its price.

Just saying, you seem to be the only thing preventing you from getting the results you're after, because you're choosing a crooked road, instead of taking the straight and OBVIOUS (to me anyway), path.

Initiator ov Chaos 11 · 06-15-2012, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by zachman

Just saying, you seem to be the only thing preventing you from getting the results you're after, because you're choosing a crooked road, instead of taking the straight and OBVIOUS (to me anyway), path.

I am in no way preventing myself from getting the results I am after. I have clearly stated exactly what I am looking for.

zachman · 06-15-2012, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Initiator ov Chaos 11

I am in no way preventing myself from getting the results I am after. I have clearly stated exactly what I am looking for.

Uh huh... and looking everywhere except the places you should be looking-- hence the searching continues (for you anyway)

Initiator ov Chaos 11 · 06-16-2012, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by zachman

Uh huh... and looking everywhere except the places you should be looking-- hence the searching continues (for you anyway)

I joined the forum to get advice from more experienced and knowledgeable musicians than myself. This is a place people go to look for answers. So I dont see how you could tell me that I am looking everywhere but where I should be looking. And you have been nothing but rude to me. And you are making absolutely no sense to me at this point.

zachman · 06-16-2012, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Initiator ov Chaos 11

I joined the forum to get advice from more experienced and knowledgeable musicians than myself. This is a place people go to look for answers. So I dont see how you could tell me that I am looking everywhere but where I should be looking. And you have been nothing but rude to me. And you are making absolutely no sense to me at this point.

Well, let me see if I can help clear it up for you then-- Shall I?

You say you went to college, yet your communication skills don't seem to suggest you're out of high school. You say you're out of work, but are looking for a backup amp to, “take on the road”. It just seems odd, and doesn't ring true. Sorry, if I'm wrong here-- BUT do I have it straight so far?

It's simple-- You want Marshall jcm800 tones-- Get a JCM800, but NO, you specify the amp needing to be Solid State, as a backup to a tube amp.Then you say, "I mean something that is of good quality and decent sound. (Could you possibly be MORE vague??) I am not saying that I need my backup to be on the same level as my current amp" (THAT is THE definition of a Backup Amp). "I just want something to jam on, take on the road, and not have to baby like my Blackstar."

You couldn’t have been this specific in your 1st post? I mean, supposedly you’re looking to help yourself right? Why make it difficult for others to give you the info you say you’re seeking?

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Originally Posted by Initiator ov Chaos 11

I am in no way preventing myself from getting the results I am after. I have clearly stated exactly what I am looking for.

Sad but true, NOT all things are possible, and a WHOLE LOT less is possible when you give yourself-- so many obstacles to overcome. Let me see if I have this straight. You want BIG heroic (Judas Priest Pain Killer tone), small size, small cost, solid state, and not a modeler, and I'm assuming you need it to get those tones at midnight apartment volumes too? AND it needs to stand up to the scrutiny of a connoisseur too?? Are you for real??? Are you taking some sort of medication that I should be aware of?? MAYBE in Fantasyland that exists, but in reality-- You seem to have a bit of a dilemma, since that doesn’t exist (Even if-- you really wish hard, AND have an UNLIMITED budget).

Ya, you're not limiting your chances at all. (Rolls eyes, oh brother...)

Why do you need to baby your Blackstar? It isn't made of Pyrex. You had a thread asking about a Rocktron piece of Rack equipment, but now you're worried about not having to baby a relatively small and inexpensive practice amp. THAT seems odd.

When you say take on the road, are you talking about gigging on the road, or having an amp to jam on in your hotel room after a days work selling shower curtain rings, or encyclopedias or whatever? Will you be flying with the amp, driving, catching the subway, a cab, the bus, the HandiVan? No, let me guess you have a motorcycle, or better yet, a Schwin?? Sorry, sarcasm comes easy to me.

If I am wrong, then I apologize, but like I said, you set off my troll detector, and I don't like trolls.

I anxiously await your answers, so I can serve to better assist you, good sir-- because it looks more like you're looking to give reasons why you do NOT to achieve what you say you want, even though you're using the wrong gear-- as though that should be a shocker to someone who went to college. Well, you didn't say you graduated, so I'll let it slide for now.

HeHasTheJazzHands · 06-16-2012, 04:18 AM

zachman · 06-16-2012, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by HeHasTheJazzHands

Initiator ov Chaos 11 · 06-16-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by zachman

Well, let me see if I can help clear it up for you then-- Shall I?

You say you went to college, yet your communication skills don't seem to suggest you're out of high school. You say you're out of work, but are looking for a backup amp to, “take on the road”. It just seems odd, and doesn't ring true. Sorry, if I'm wrong here-- BUT do I have it straight so far?

It's simple-- You want Marshall jcm800 tones-- Get a JCM800, but NO, you specify the amp needing to be Solid State, as a backup to a tube amp.Then you say, "I mean something that is of good quality and decent sound. (Could you possibly be MORE vague??) I am not saying that I need my backup to be on the same level as my current amp" (THAT is THE definition of a Backup Amp). "I just want something to jam on, take on the road, and not have to baby like my Blackstar."

You couldn’t have been this specific in your 1st post? I mean, supposedly you’re looking to help yourself right? Why make it difficult for others to give you the info you say you’re seeking?

Sad but true, NOT all things are possible, and a WHOLE LOT less is possible when you give yourself-- so many obstacles to overcome. Let me see if I have this straight. You want BIG heroic (Judas Priest Pain Killer tone), small size, small cost, solid state, and not a modeler, and I'm assuming you need it to get those tones at midnight apartment volumes too? AND it needs to stand up to the scrutiny of a connoisseur too?? Are you for real??? Are you taking some sort of medication that I should be aware of?? MAYBE in Fantasyland that exists, but in reality-- You seem to have a bit of a dilemma, since that doesn’t exist (Even if-- you really wish hard, AND have an UNLIMITED budget).

Ya, you're not limiting your chances at all. (Rolls eyes, oh brother...)

Why do you need to baby your Blackstar? It isn't made of Pyrex. You had a thread asking about a Rocktron piece of Rack equipment, but now you're worried about not having to baby a relatively small and inexpensive practice amp. THAT seems odd.

When you say take on the road, are you talking about gigging on the road, or having an amp to jam on in your hotel room after a days work selling shower curtain rings, or encyclopedias or whatever? Will you be flying with the amp, driving, catching the subway, a cab, the bus, the HandiVan? No, let me guess you have a motorcycle, or better yet, a Schwin?? Sorry, sarcasm comes easy to me.

If I am wrong, then I apologize, but like I said, you set off my troll detector, and I don't like trolls.

I anxiously await your answers, so I can serve to better assist you, good sir-- because it looks more like you're looking to give reasons why you do NOT to achieve what you say you want, even though you're using the wrong gear-- as though that should be a shocker to someone who went to college. Well, you didn't say you graduated, so I'll let it slide for now.

Well it seems that our ideas of a backup amp differ from each other. I do not understand people like you that find enjoyment in arguing with others by picking apart every last detail of what they say to make them look as if they are on a lower level than you. Very rude. I am new to the forum, and also new to use of amps and tones. Maybe you should take that into consideration before you try and insult my intelligence.

zachman · 06-16-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Initiator ov Chaos 11

Well it seems that our ideas of a backup amp differ from each other.

Apparently.

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Originally Posted by Initiator ov Chaos 11

I do not understand people like you that find enjoyment in arguing with others by picking apart every last detail of what they say to make them look as if they are on a lower level than you. Very rude.

Cool people that are honestly seeking info-- I go out of my way to help. Ask around, you'll find that to be true. Trolls-- not so much.

I was basing my position, which I thought I expressed clearly, on info which you provided-- that seemed strange, as if intentionally designed to yank people's chains.

EDIT: I noticed you didn't answer ANY of the questions I asked, that would help ANYONE willing to help you (Not just me)-- Help. What's up with that?

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Originally Posted by Initiator ov Chaos 11

I am new to the forum, and also new to use of amps and tones. Maybe you should take that into consideration before you try and insult my intelligence.

I am not trying to insult your intelligence. I already explained what my thought process was/is, and why.

Again, should you choose to actually answer, (as specifically as possible the tonal ranges you expect/whether you have channel switching, a loop, will be using effects, what sort of effects, perhaps examples of songs which span the gambit of the sounds you want etc...) the questions I asked re: your logistical requirements, as well as your intended/projected/actual budget-- You may be surprised just how helpful some of us are willing to be.

Initiator ov Chaos 11 · 06-25-2012, 12:36 PM

You may be surprised just how helpful some of us are willing to be.

[/QUOTE]

Or just how much some like to talk. Sorry man but I can tell when people talk down to me. I apologize if I am being vague or not wording things properly. But like I said, I am new to the forum. First time I have even used one. Call me a troll if you want. Whatever. I thank you for the helpful words you have provided, but your overall attitiude towards me from the start has been very rude. Making this a lesser experience than I had hoped for. I see no reason to continue this arguement. Lets both just move on and try to make this a productive experience for all. If you want to put in one last smart ass comment to further attempt defacing me or whatever your goal is, then fine. I am done arguing with you.

zachman · 06-25-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Initiator ov Chaos 11

Or just how much some like to talk. Sorry man but I can tell when people talk down to me. I apologize if I am being vague or not wording things properly. But like I said, I am new to the forum. First time I have even used one. Call me a troll if you want. Whatever. I thank you for the helpful words you have provided, but your overall attitiude towards me from the start has been very rude. Making this a lesser experience than I had hoped for. I see no reason to continue this arguement. Lets both just move on and try to make this a productive experience for all. If you want to put in one last smart ass comment to further attempt defacing me or whatever your goal is, then fine. I am done arguing with you.

That must be why-- After 2 weeks-- you resurrected this conversation??(Rhetorical)

Move on son--

There must be others who are interested in talking with you. I'm NOT one of them.

trenchcoat · 07-02-2012, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by zachman

You tell me. You're the one looking for a "Backup" to a ht club 40, but preferring that it be a SS amp-- instead of a ht club 40, as a "Backup".

Logic, Efficiency, and Common sense suggest-- IF you are looking for the types of sounds that you've described as your goals/preferences-- That you should start your search with the gear which actually provides it-- NOT try every other piece of gear, which couldn't be farthest from likelihood of achieving the goal-- like trying to find something else to sound like a ht club 40. Use the freakin ht club 40.

Just saying, you seem to be the only thing preventing you from getting the results you're after, because you're choosing a crooked road, instead of taking the straight and OBVIOUS (to me anyway), path.

My $.02

Amps that cost less than a pedal can't be all that now can they..

I dito your Why!

zachman · 07-02-2012, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by trenchcoat

Amps that cost less than a pedal can't be all that now can they..

I dito your Why!

Honestly there was no gear snobbery intended in my responses. I've on MANY occasions had players come up to me during a set break, and trip out that I was using some rented backline pedestrian gear, and were commenting on how great the tone was. Well, I figure it boils down to a frame of reference. One player's "Close enough" can be another player's, "Too far away".

Besides an example is-- I got my '65 Black Face Super Reverb amp for less than a cheap pedal... I got it FREE!! See, cost doesn't = good OR bad sounding quality, necessarily.

My issue w/ the OP is that he seemed to just going in circles and appeared to contradict his own goals, SO I figured him for a troll just trying to yank everyone's chain.

Quasar-Kid · 07-03-2012, 12:30 AM

I've Done a few rounds with Zachman...
You gotta have your sh!t together when it gets rolling or you're toast
Might I suggest gathering your thoughts and carefully backing out

just kidding

zachman · 07-03-2012, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Quasar-Kid

I've Done a few rounds with Zachman...
You gotta have your sh!t together when it gets rolling or you're toast
Might I suggest gathering your thoughts and carefully backing out

just kidding

I am glad to know there's no feud. I am very passionate about music, and sometimes it gets me in heated debates. In the end, I mean no harm. I only want that EVERYONE can walk away gaining some perspective, and not to take my word for it- rather, test the ideas for yourself, and come to your own conclusion.

Quasar-Kid · 07-03-2012, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by zachman

I am glad to know there's no feud. I am very passionate about music, and sometimes it gets me in heated debates. In the end, I mean no harm. I only want that EVERYONE can walk away gaining some perspective, and not to take my word for it- rather, test the ideas for yourself, and come to your own conclusion.

No way dude..!!!
You're totally lovable

I mean that in a straight way

I've got no issues with you at all - however - the next time we tangle I'll take more time between posts so I can put up a better fight

until then my friend - stay frosty

zachman · 07-03-2012, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Quasar-Kid

No way dude..!!!
You're totally lovable

I mean that in a straight way

I've got no issues with you at all - however - the next time we tangle I'll take more time between posts so I can put up a better fight

until then my friend - stay frosty

I rather enjoy the idea of a spirited debate. It is an opportunity to reaffirm my positions against opposing arguments and/or reassess my own thoughts on a matter, should a point worth considering be presented.

The guys who start slinging vulgar insults and displays of an inappropriate lack of self control are the ones I refuse to take shit from... and will just state my case, and let the reader decide for themselves.

MitchP · 01-30-2013, 08:09 AM

Wow, can't believe my id is still active here! Zachman - I found this thread (argument as Monty Python would say) while Googling about the new Blackstar and although I question the rationals offered by Chaos II, I have looked at the ID series in some depth (as much as can be offered for an amp not really circulated yet) and here's what I like about it: similar channels (tones) to a Marshall - clean, crunch, OD1, OD2, pick of "emulated" power stages albeit SS and light weight for me (being disabled).

I love the new 15w combo Marshy DSL but no effects loop (neither for the 30w Blackstar

). I've owned a couple of Marshall products in my hazy past; a 50w head new (might have been a plexi), a $399 closeout 30w combo from the late 80's-90's and I love 'em. I don't gig anymore and never was much other than a keg band when I did. I just record at home now and amuse myself with old hair band covers. Anyway, that's why I think the Blackstar might be a good alternative for someone like me. Peace.

shredless · 01-30-2013, 03:25 PM

This just seems so fitting at this point in time

shredless · 01-31-2013, 03:43 AM

I feel like I walked into the Jackson/Charvel forum

DWK302 · 01-31-2013, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by HeHasTheJazzHands

...Just a fizzy mess.

Isn't that how all Blackstars sound?

Risamaru · 01-31-2013, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DWK302

Isn't that how all Blackstars sound?

Actually No. They Sound Great.

06-13-2012, 01:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
Initiator ov Chaos 11 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 49	Blackstar ID Series Anybody have any info on the release date of these amps? Also price info? These amps look very promising. I am definately not a fan of modeling amps, or alot of solid state stuff, but Blackstar has really impressed me with the HT Venue Series. And I have been on the lookout for a good solid state amp as a backup for my HT Club 40.

06-13-2012, 01:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
HeHasTheJazzHands Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Louisiana Posts: 4,118	Re: Blackstar ID Series No clue, yet. And If they sound anything like they do in the demos... Avoid. __________________ Djong

06-13-2012, 01:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
Initiator ov Chaos 11 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 49	Re: Blackstar ID Series Which demos do you refer to? All of them?

06-14-2012, 07:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
Initiator ov Chaos 11 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 49	Re: Blackstar ID Series Why not?

06-16-2012, 04:18 AM	#14 (permalink)
HeHasTheJazzHands Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Louisiana Posts: 4,118	Re: Blackstar ID Series zachman and Quasar-Kid like this. __________________ Djong

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06-25-2012, 12:36 PM	#18 (permalink)
Initiator ov Chaos 11 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 49	Re: Blackstar ID Series You may be surprised just how helpful some of us are willing to be. [/QUOTE] Or just how much some like to talk. Sorry man but I can tell when people talk down to me. I apologize if I am being vague or not wording things properly. But like I said, I am new to the forum. First time I have even used one. Call me a troll if you want. Whatever. I thank you for the helpful words you have provided, but your overall attitiude towards me from the start has been very rude. Making this a lesser experience than I had hoped for. I see no reason to continue this arguement. Lets both just move on and try to make this a productive experience for all. If you want to put in one last smart ass comment to further attempt defacing me or whatever your goal is, then fine. I am done arguing with you.

07-03-2012, 12:30 AM	#22 (permalink)
Quasar-Kid Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 1,911	Re: Blackstar ID Series I've Done a few rounds with Zachman... You gotta have your sh!t together when it gets rolling or you're toast Might I suggest gathering your thoughts and carefully backing out just kidding zachman likes this. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/andrewmward1/videos

01-30-2013, 08:09 AM	#26 (permalink)
MitchP Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 5	Re: Blackstar ID Series Wow, can't believe my id is still active here! Zachman - I found this thread (argument as Monty Python would say) while Googling about the new Blackstar and although I question the rationals offered by Chaos II, I have looked at the ID series in some depth (as much as can be offered for an amp not really circulated yet) and here's what I like about it: similar channels (tones) to a Marshall - clean, crunch, OD1, OD2, pick of "emulated" power stages albeit SS and light weight for me (being disabled). I love the new 15w combo Marshy DSL but no effects loop (neither for the 30w Blackstar ). I've owned a couple of Marshall products in my hazy past; a 50w head new (might have been a plexi), a $399 closeout 30w combo from the late 80's-90's and I love 'em. I don't gig anymore and never was much other than a keg band when I did. I just record at home now and amuse myself with old hair band covers. Anyway, that's why I think the Blackstar might be a good alternative for someone like me. Peace.

01-30-2013, 03:25 PM	#27 (permalink)
shredless Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,910	Re: Blackstar ID Series This just seems so fitting at this point in time

01-31-2013, 03:43 AM	#28 (permalink)
shredless Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,910	Re: Blackstar ID Series I feel like I walked into the Jackson/Charvel forum

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