NAD, Tiny Terror! - Page 2

solarburnDSL50 · 05-25-2012, 08:47 AM

Xcellent!

jvm210guy · 05-25-2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by IbanezMark

Alright - post gig report. This thing is totally giggable!

It was an outdoor gig in a tent and we ran unmic'd. Balance was great and I had it dimed on 15W mode with the gain around 7. Had the level dimed on my SD-1 to kick it over for solos, worked great...the height of simplicity!

Were you able to get cleans with light picking, or by adjusting the volume knob??

IbanezMark · 05-25-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jvm210guy

Were you able to get cleans with light picking, or by adjusting the volume knob??

I can get it to clean up pretty well with the volume alone. Didn't need any cleans in last night's set though

jvm210guy · 05-25-2012, 11:26 AM

I finally bought tubes!!!! I'm excited!!

This is what I bought:

JJ 12ax7 preamp tube with gold pins for the v1 position.
JJ 12ax7 preamp tube for the PI position
Electro Harmonix el84 matched pair

The 12ax7 with the gold pins was the most expensive, exactly 19.95. I mean the power tubes were 21 dollars, but there a matched pair. So did I do ok???

Another newb question is it difficult to remove and reinstall the tube covers when I get to them?

solarburnDSL50 · 05-25-2012, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jvm210guy

I finally bought tubes!!!! I'm excited!!

This is what I bought:

JJ 12ax7 preamp tube with gold pins for the v1 position.
JJ 12ax7 preamp tube for the PI position
Electro Harmonix el84 matched pair

The 12ax7 with the gold pins was the most expensive, exactly 19.95. I mean the power tubes were 21 dollars, but there a matched pair. So did I do ok???

Another newb question is it difficult to remove and reinstall the tube covers when I get to them?

Gold pin 12AX7 offer no advantage over the regular legged tubes. Personally I don't like JJ ECC-83S's in both slots. I find them a bit dull or flat and the Orange is already a bit darker than some amps. In a bright amp they sound well but still I would probably only use in one slot. I have rolled extensively in a few different circuits and I know too much for my own good and spent a fair amount of money to find out. Sometimes it was worth it and other times it tweren't.LOL

However if you like how these tubes sound in your TT then you have done great! I mean that. If they aren't microphonic(noisey)and you like the tone and feel then it doesn't matter if there are other tube combinations to try.

solarburnDSL50 · 05-25-2012, 11:53 AM

Also:

I like the JJ-EL84's, Preferred Series 7189's, RFT EL84's. Don't like the Sovtec EL-84's, TAD EL84-STR's.

Never tried the EH EL84's so I can't comment on them. Hope they sound great for ya!

solarburnDSL50 · 05-25-2012, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jvm210guy

I finally bought tubes!!!! I'm excited!!

This is what I bought:

JJ 12ax7 preamp tube with gold pins for the v1 position.
JJ 12ax7 preamp tube for the PI position
Electro Harmonix el84 matched pair

The 12ax7 with the gold pins was the most expensive, exactly 19.95. I mean the power tubes were 21 dollars, but there a matched pair. So did I do ok???

Another newb question is it difficult to remove and reinstall the tube covers when I get to them?

No. You'll see.

jvm210guy · 05-25-2012, 12:01 PM

Thanks man, appreciated. However I gotta say that if I listened to what everyone said I'd still be looking for tubes lol. Everyone has contradicting opinions, so I figured I just need to pull the trigger! I honestly hope you're wrong about the gold pins not making a difference because I'm broke and every dollar counts

I'm sure it's all subjective though!

solarburnDSL50 · 05-25-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jvm210guy

Thanks man, appreciated. However I gotta say that if I listened to what everyone said I'd still be looking for tubes lol. Everyone has contradicting opinions, so I figured I just need to pull the trigger! I honestly hope you're wrong about the gold pins not making a difference because I'm broke and every dollar counts

I'm sure it's all subjective though!

Well the tube can still sound great whether it is gold or not. My point is it offers no advantage in sound because of the gold contact over the normal offering and that is not subjective because it has nothing to do with tone. How will you ever tell anyways as identical tubes can sound different. Whose to say the gold is actually offering anything? Now you know. I've lost money before and it won't be the last I'm sure. Now you never have to waste it again on GP'd tubes. Also a matched 12AX7 in the PI slot being optimal is not true either. However that same tube can work great whether matched or not. Guitar amps are not HIFI and don't require matched triodes hitting the power tubes. Sometimes a lopsided 12AX7 can have a real pleasing effect harmonically.

I bought and tested tubes regardless of others opinions although I did compare what they said to what I found. I like real world tests. This tube stuff can get way out of hand and expensive.

jvm210guy · 05-25-2012, 12:43 PM

Well, I'm not trying to get to into it too much more than that. I'm new to this and I don't need to lose sleep over it. I'm sure it's going to sound great, and my playing will bring it out optimally, so thanks for the insight. Like I said, everyone has something different to say about the same type of tubes and I just need to start hearing it for myself.

diesect20022000 · 05-25-2012, 12:51 PM

gold pins don't make a difference. That's just a marketing ploy homes.

just get some new tubes in general and you'll notice improvement. they're great amps.

Stringjunkie · 05-25-2012, 12:52 PM

I like the JJ tubes in my Marshalls but in my one and only Orange, as stated Oranges are a dark amp, I put the Tung Sol in the first slot and it balanced out a lot better. IMO. The stock JJ in the V1 just didn't do it for me without my EQ pedal. That being said, mine is not a TT, it's a DkT. I've never played the TT.
And I hated the Tung Sol in my Marshalls.

solarburnDSL50 · 05-25-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jvm210guy

Well, I'm not trying to get to into it too much more than that. I'm new to this and I don't need to lose sleep over it. I'm sure it's going to sound great, and my playing will bring it out optimally, so thanks for the insight. Like I said, everyone has something different to say about the same type of tubes and I just need to start hearing it for myself.

Man that ain't no shit!

Don't worry about it. Pop those new ones in. The amp already sounds great and I'm sure it will be fine. Unless you get a bad new tube.LOL

hbach · 05-25-2012, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jvm210guy

I finally bought tubes!!!! I'm excited!!

This is what I bought:

JJ 12ax7 preamp tube with gold pins for the v1 position.
JJ 12ax7 preamp tube for the PI position
Electro Harmonix el84 matched pair

The 12ax7 with the gold pins was the most expensive, exactly 19.95. I mean the power tubes were 21 dollars, but there a matched pair. So did I do ok???

Another newb question is it difficult to remove and reinstall the tube covers when I get to them?

You'll do very well with those. The EHs are actually similar to the JJ. There was even a very in depth comparison somewhere (I think it was even on Aiken's site). The preamp tubes should last you long but if you play out the power tubes will need replacing. The TT is cathode biased right?

Stringjunkie · 05-25-2012, 01:02 PM

No need to bias the terror series.

solarburnDSL50 · 05-25-2012, 01:04 PM

Yep. Cathode biased.

nedcronin · 05-27-2012, 10:24 AM

I like mine too. Paul is right, the stock tubes really are boxy and a little harsh. I was thinking of selling mine but I will just retube it and keep it I think. These amps definitely do rock, I love the sounds you get with the master cranked! I think I will also add a vox 1x12 greenback cab and use that with the TT instead of a 4x12. I think the low wattage amps just don't work the speakers the right way in the 4x12. Then I'll have a nice portable unit to take to jams, etc. I'm also entertaining an effects loop so I can use some verb with it if need be.

jcm800gridlock · 05-27-2012, 08:21 PM

Congradulations. Nice amp. I always wanted the combo version. I heard that the combo sounds differnt than the head.

I owned the head version for a short time. It was too loud for my practice amp need at the time so I returned. Glad you like your amp.

jvm210guy · 05-30-2012, 10:10 PM

I finally switched out my tubes on the Orange Tiny Terror!!!

Although its a bit too late to crank it, I have been able to notice a difference. I can't tell tho whole story yet, but initially I can get so much more harmonics and my tone is a lot more "colorful" than it previously was. Like before I had a very dull tone, still nice but it was a bit dead. A lot more character now. Also, the old power tubes were looking dark and toasty....

Tomorrow I'll be able to hear the full results, anyway here are some pics to show I really did it..

Now I just gotta do it for my JVM.... Not looking forward to it..

Georgiatec · 05-31-2012, 01:52 PM

Nice one JVM...as I'm sure you found out swapping tubes is a piece of piss

. I'm sure you will be fine with your choice of tubes. JJ's are my "go to" tubes. Start with JJ's and go from there. If you don't like what you're hearing swap v1 for summat else depending on what's wrong. Tung sols tend to be brighter and kind of smooth the gain a little. I like my amp tone quite aggressive so JJ's all the way. As others have pointed out it can be a slippery slope once you start tone searching with tubes. If in doubt remember KISS, not the band

, = Keep It Simple Stupid

topcat 70 · 05-31-2012, 02:17 PM

I got a tt a few years ago as a practice amp.Loved the tone so i thought id try it at band practice.We are only a 3 piece but it didnt cut through enough.At high volume the sound was really compressed.This was through a 2x 12 with celestion g12h-30's.I ended up getting a rocker 30.Its like the tt but with abit more bollocks!

jvm210guy · 05-31-2012, 03:32 PM

Shit man, that's strange. My biggest issue is that it cuts almost too hard... Look at my post earlier, "cuts like a hammer"... But it could be guitar choice?

nedcronin · 06-01-2012, 05:37 PM

I'm gonna crank my TT tonight. You guys got me all fired up!

diesect20022000 · 06-01-2012, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jvm210guy

Shit man, that's strange. My biggest issue is that it cuts almost too hard... Look at my post earlier, "cuts like a hammer"... But it could be guitar choice?

werd. I was in a metal band and it cut fine. my only issue was feedback from the level of gain and maxing the power section. I even used an open back 2x12 (V30's) at that point.

jvm210guy · 06-01-2012, 07:00 PM

Ya found out that cranking the volume and adding gain will get you in all kinds of trouble. I mean I'd like dime the volume, use the gain as overall volume, use a pedal for OD but I'm broke right now.

diesect20022000 · 06-01-2012, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jvm210guy

Ya found out that cranking the volume and adding gain will get you in all kinds of trouble. I mean I'd like dime the volume, use the gain as overall volume, use a pedal for OD but I'm broke right now.

it's only feedback. the amp doesn't blow up or anything and that was with metal gain levels. I mean you will eat your power tubes quicker that way but that's it as far as i'm aware and i owned it for about 2 years of heavy use.

SmokeyDopey · 06-01-2012, 07:21 PM

Congrats dude!

I have a (clone) Orange AD30 single channel. Also, with EL84s. I did try a Tiny Terror recently, and it did remind me of mine. They are pretty mids oriented, so yes... They cut pretty well.

jvm210guy · 06-02-2012, 02:08 AM

I played a show couple hours ago with the TT. Brown sound without even trying. Cranked the volume and the gain was at 2o'clock. AMAZING!!! Absolutely insane and my lp sounded ****ing sick with the .9s I put in...

Oh and cleans were good with the volume rolled back on my guitar.

jvm210guy · 06-02-2012, 02:08 AM

I played a show couple hours ago with the TT. Brown sound without even trying. Cranked the volume and the gain was at 2o'clock. AMAZING!!! Absolutely insane and my lp sounded ****ing sick with the .9s I put in...

Oh and cleans were good with the volume rolled back on my guitar.

topcat 70 · 06-02-2012, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jvm210guy

Shit man, that's strange. My biggest issue is that it cuts almost too hard... Look at my post earlier, "cuts like a hammer"... But it could be guitar choice?

I am used to my 2204,i just like to have abit more power than the 15.Still love the tt!

05-25-2012, 11:26 AM	#34 (permalink)
jvm210guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Chicago, home of the blues... Posts: 3,533	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! I finally bought tubes!!!! I'm excited!! This is what I bought: JJ 12ax7 preamp tube with gold pins for the v1 position. JJ 12ax7 preamp tube for the PI position Electro Harmonix el84 matched pair The 12ax7 with the gold pins was the most expensive, exactly 19.95. I mean the power tubes were 21 dollars, but there a matched pair. So did I do ok??? Another newb question is it difficult to remove and reinstall the tube covers when I get to them? __________________ THE SIG OF DEATH Tiny Terror Marshall Class Five JVM 210h 1960a Lead (v30's/g12-75's) 2008 American Standard Telecaster 2008 Gibson Traditional Les Paul Plus (cherry sunburst flametop)

05-25-2012, 12:01 PM	#38 (permalink)
jvm210guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Chicago, home of the blues... Posts: 3,533	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! Thanks man, appreciated. However I gotta say that if I listened to what everyone said I'd still be looking for tubes lol. Everyone has contradicting opinions, so I figured I just need to pull the trigger! I honestly hope you're wrong about the gold pins not making a difference because I'm broke and every dollar counts I'm sure it's all subjective though! __________________ THE SIG OF DEATH Tiny Terror Marshall Class Five JVM 210h 1960a Lead (v30's/g12-75's) 2008 American Standard Telecaster 2008 Gibson Traditional Les Paul Plus (cherry sunburst flametop)

05-25-2012, 12:43 PM	#40 (permalink)
jvm210guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Chicago, home of the blues... Posts: 3,533	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! Well, I'm not trying to get to into it too much more than that. I'm new to this and I don't need to lose sleep over it. I'm sure it's going to sound great, and my playing will bring it out optimally, so thanks for the insight. Like I said, everyone has something different to say about the same type of tubes and I just need to start hearing it for myself. diesect20022000 likes this. __________________ THE SIG OF DEATH Tiny Terror Marshall Class Five JVM 210h 1960a Lead (v30's/g12-75's) 2008 American Standard Telecaster 2008 Gibson Traditional Les Paul Plus (cherry sunburst flametop)

05-25-2012, 12:51 PM	#41 (permalink)
diesect20022000 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 16,631	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! gold pins don't make a difference. That's just a marketing ploy homes. just get some new tubes in general and you'll notice improvement. they're great amps. solarburnDSL50 likes this.

05-25-2012, 12:52 PM	#42 (permalink)
Stringjunkie Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: S W Florida Posts: 3,318	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! I like the JJ tubes in my Marshalls but in my one and only Orange, as stated Oranges are a dark amp, I put the Tung Sol in the first slot and it balanced out a lot better. IMO. The stock JJ in the V1 just didn't do it for me without my EQ pedal. That being said, mine is not a TT, it's a DkT. I've never played the TT. And I hated the Tung Sol in my Marshalls. __________________ Orange Dark Terror JCM1H DSL1H Sourmash 1x12/reaper Sourmash 1x12/green beret Fender American standard strat-stock Fender Blacktop strat-MHD pups Ibanez RG- MHD pups Gibson LP 50s tribute studio-stock

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05-25-2012, 01:02 PM	#45 (permalink)
Stringjunkie Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: S W Florida Posts: 3,318	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! No need to bias the terror series. __________________ Orange Dark Terror JCM1H DSL1H Sourmash 1x12/reaper Sourmash 1x12/green beret Fender American standard strat-stock Fender Blacktop strat-MHD pups Ibanez RG- MHD pups Gibson LP 50s tribute studio-stock

05-27-2012, 10:24 AM	#47 (permalink)
nedcronin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 1,445	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! I like mine too. Paul is right, the stock tubes really are boxy and a little harsh. I was thinking of selling mine but I will just retube it and keep it I think. These amps definitely do rock, I love the sounds you get with the master cranked! I think I will also add a vox 1x12 greenback cab and use that with the TT instead of a 4x12. I think the low wattage amps just don't work the speakers the right way in the 4x12. Then I'll have a nice portable unit to take to jams, etc. I'm also entertaining an effects loop so I can use some verb with it if need be. __________________ Check out my Marshall Amp Lovers facebook page if you facebook....click below Click Here if you love Marshalls! Come Join the TSL Tribe!

05-27-2012, 08:21 PM	#48 (permalink)
jcm800gridlock Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tampa, Fl, USA Posts: 552	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! Congradulations. Nice amp. I always wanted the combo version. I heard that the combo sounds differnt than the head. I owned the head version for a short time. It was too loud for my practice amp need at the time so I returned. Glad you like your amp. __________________ Amps: Marshall 1981 JMP MK2 Master Lead 50W Combo Marshall 1987X Plexi 50W Head w/Pat Sullivan Mod Marshall Vintage Modern 2266 50W Head Marshall Class 5 MKII Combo Fender 1965 Blackface Vibrolux Reverb-Amp Cabs: Marshall 425B Cabinet with Greenbacks Marshall JCM 800 Lead 1936 Cabinet with G12-65's Guitars: 1996 Gibson Les Paul Standard 1995 Fender American Standard Telecaster 2011 Fender American Standard Ash Telecaster 2008 Fender American Standard Stratocaster

05-30-2012, 10:10 PM	#49 (permalink)
jvm210guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Chicago, home of the blues... Posts: 3,533	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! I finally switched out my tubes on the Orange Tiny Terror!!! Although its a bit too late to crank it, I have been able to notice a difference. I can't tell tho whole story yet, but initially I can get so much more harmonics and my tone is a lot more "colorful" than it previously was. Like before I had a very dull tone, still nice but it was a bit dead. A lot more character now. Also, the old power tubes were looking dark and toasty.... Tomorrow I'll be able to hear the full results, anyway here are some pics to show I really did it.. Now I just gotta do it for my JVM.... Not looking forward to it.. diesect20022000 and hbach like this. __________________ THE SIG OF DEATH Tiny Terror Marshall Class Five JVM 210h 1960a Lead (v30's/g12-75's) 2008 American Standard Telecaster 2008 Gibson Traditional Les Paul Plus (cherry sunburst flametop)

05-31-2012, 01:52 PM	#50 (permalink)
Georgiatec Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Macclesfield, UK Posts: 2,065	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! Nice one JVM...as I'm sure you found out swapping tubes is a piece of piss . I'm sure you will be fine with your choice of tubes. JJ's are my "go to" tubes. Start with JJ's and go from there. If you don't like what you're hearing swap v1 for summat else depending on what's wrong. Tung sols tend to be brighter and kind of smooth the gain a little. I like my amp tone quite aggressive so JJ's all the way. As others have pointed out it can be a slippery slope once you start tone searching with tubes. If in doubt remember KISS, not the band , = Keep It Simple Stupid diesect20022000 and jvm210guy like this. __________________ JCM2000 DSL100 & 401 COMBO VINTAGE MODERN 2466 & 425A CAB 2061x JCM1H 1960B CAB MARSHALL 412, 1922 & 1912 CABS 1978 PEAVEY CLASSIC 212 COMBO '04 GIBSON LES PAUL CLASSIC '12 GIBSON LES PAUL TRADITIONAL STD PREMIUM '00 USA STANDARD TELECASTER FENDER MODERN PLAYER TELE+ '94 FENDER MIJ '62 RI FOTOFLAME STRATOCASTER EPIPHONE LP std+ (498T & 490R), VINTAGE VS6 (SG) & SA535 (335) COPIES. IF YOU CHANGE SHIT, THEN SHIT WILL CHANGE. IF YOU DO NOTHING YOU WILL GET THE SAME OLD SHIT.

05-31-2012, 02:17 PM	#51 (permalink)
topcat 70 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Norfolk. U.K Posts: 311	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! I got a tt a few years ago as a practice amp.Loved the tone so i thought id try it at band practice.We are only a 3 piece but it didnt cut through enough.At high volume the sound was really compressed.This was through a 2x 12 with celestion g12h-30's.I ended up getting a rocker 30.Its like the tt but with abit more bollocks!

05-31-2012, 03:32 PM	#52 (permalink)
jvm210guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Chicago, home of the blues... Posts: 3,533	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! Shit man, that's strange. My biggest issue is that it cuts almost too hard... Look at my post earlier, "cuts like a hammer"... But it could be guitar choice? __________________ THE SIG OF DEATH Tiny Terror Marshall Class Five JVM 210h 1960a Lead (v30's/g12-75's) 2008 American Standard Telecaster 2008 Gibson Traditional Les Paul Plus (cherry sunburst flametop)

06-01-2012, 05:37 PM	#53 (permalink)
nedcronin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 1,445	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! I'm gonna crank my TT tonight. You guys got me all fired up! diesect20022000 likes this. __________________ Check out my Marshall Amp Lovers facebook page if you facebook....click below Click Here if you love Marshalls! Come Join the TSL Tribe!

06-01-2012, 07:00 PM	#55 (permalink)
jvm210guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Chicago, home of the blues... Posts: 3,533	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! Ya found out that cranking the volume and adding gain will get you in all kinds of trouble. I mean I'd like dime the volume, use the gain as overall volume, use a pedal for OD but I'm broke right now. __________________ THE SIG OF DEATH Tiny Terror Marshall Class Five JVM 210h 1960a Lead (v30's/g12-75's) 2008 American Standard Telecaster 2008 Gibson Traditional Les Paul Plus (cherry sunburst flametop)

06-01-2012, 07:21 PM	#57 (permalink)
SmokeyDopey Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Argentina Posts: 8,304	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! Congrats dude! I have a (clone) Orange AD30 single channel. Also, with EL84s. I did try a Tiny Terror recently, and it did remind me of mine. They are pretty mids oriented, so yes... They cut pretty well. __________________ F u c k & S h i t Inc.

06-02-2012, 02:08 AM	#58 (permalink)
jvm210guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Chicago, home of the blues... Posts: 3,533	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! I played a show couple hours ago with the TT. Brown sound without even trying. Cranked the volume and the gain was at 2o'clock. AMAZING!!! Absolutely insane and my lp sounded ****ing sick with the .9s I put in... Oh and cleans were good with the volume rolled back on my guitar. __________________ THE SIG OF DEATH Tiny Terror Marshall Class Five JVM 210h 1960a Lead (v30's/g12-75's) 2008 American Standard Telecaster 2008 Gibson Traditional Les Paul Plus (cherry sunburst flametop)

06-02-2012, 02:08 AM	#59 (permalink)
jvm210guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Chicago, home of the blues... Posts: 3,533	Re: NAD, Tiny Terror! I played a show couple hours ago with the TT. Brown sound without even trying. Cranked the volume and the gain was at 2o'clock. AMAZING!!! Absolutely insane and my lp sounded ****ing sick with the .9s I put in... Oh and cleans were good with the volume rolled back on my guitar. solarburnDSL50 and diesect20022000 like this. __________________ THE SIG OF DEATH Tiny Terror Marshall Class Five JVM 210h 1960a Lead (v30's/g12-75's) 2008 American Standard Telecaster 2008 Gibson Traditional Les Paul Plus (cherry sunburst flametop)

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