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Unread 11-08-2011, 11:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Best Marshall Amp Sim

What would you say the best Marshall amp is, software or hardware? I'm a big fan of the Marshall sound and am looking for something I can record with. I have tried the Marshall emulations in Amplitube (haven't upgraded to 3 yet though) and Guitar Rig and was not pleased. I have tried the Studio Devil British Valve Custom and it was pretty good. It had more balls but still had clarity on the distorted tone and wasn't muddy. I'm looking for the best sound and need some help. I've thought about upgrading Amplitube to version 3 but is it worth it? Has the sound gotten better with more clarity on the heavier gain sound? Is there anything that is better? POD? Sansamp British pedal? Others?
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Unread 11-09-2011, 09:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hmmm hardware wise I'd probably go with... um. A Marshall amp.

What kind of tone are you after exactly? Because once you leave the realm of mid-gain tones, you pretty much HAVE to use a real amp of some kind. Before I had my TSL100, I tried pretty much every software piece out there, and it would be more expensive than just buying the real amp and still not sound as good (at gain).

I guess if you are set on solid-state type equipment, check out Axe-FX. There are a few versions and apparently they are very very good, and they do more than just the marshall repertoire.

Also you could run a rack-mount preamp into a speaker simulator. This is my preferred low volume solution.. I just picked up an ADA MP-1, and I use it through Logic Pro on my Mac for the speaker simulator and it sounds fantastic.
Marshall also made a preamp, called the JMP-1. I'm not sure how much they cost, but I'd think you could acquire one reasonably and it'd sound much better, even without a poweramp, than any software solution.
Oh, and the ADA MP-1 runs in the $200-300 range, very reasonable.
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Unread 11-10-2011, 06:58 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Eleven Rack. Non too expensive and so in THAT range, the best.
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Re: Best Marshall Amp Sim

marshall head into an iso box
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True Marshall tone is cranked tubes so to get that you need to get some tubes and crank em!
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Unread 11-10-2011, 10:58 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Right ... in all seriousness ... if you're looking for a low cost alternative to record with ... buy a Blackstar HT-1 Combo. That's all I will say. Don't **** around with software, or POD etc when a POD will cost you not far off that and not be anywhere NEAR as good. The Blackstar HT-1 combo is a BEAST ... 1 Watt ... sounds pitiful but honestly ... these things have some balls to them. Big fat balls.
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Unread 11-10-2011, 11:17 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Blackstar HT-Dual. You can get great Marshall tones out of it.
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I have Amplitube 3 currently, and I must say it is very very good. Excellent dynamic response, the Marshall models are pretty dam realistic. I have used Amplitube 3 in a live setting twice, and it worked well straight into the house PA. The new custom shop has some really nice new models as well. Where Amplitube 3 really shines though is in a studio setting, just because it is so versitle. It is difficult to get realistic feedback unless you really crank it up and stand right in front of your studio monitors.

With all that being said .... I am buying myself a Marshall Haze 40. Then I am going to take it apart and put it in a separate head cabinet and 2X12.

Amplitube 3 is great for a recording studio setting, but I don't really do much of that.
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I have Pod Farm 2 and the Brit Gain 800 (JCM 800) amp sim is pretty good, If you use the right cabinet. I use the Celestion G1275T, and the V30 Cab Sims, But i found that the gain cant go too high or it just gets too muddy.

I use a Marshall JCM 800 2210 with a 4x12 Slant Cab G1275T at practice, and when ive compared the two it was pretty close. The amp sims just lacks the feel that you get with a real amp. Even at high volumes through the PA. Its just not the same.

But for recording demos in your bedroom at 3:00 am with out getting the cops at your door, its great.
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What would you say the best Marshall amp is, software or hardware? I'm a big fan of the Marshall sound and am looking for something I can record with. I have tried the Marshall emulations in Amplitube (haven't upgraded to 3 yet though) and Guitar Rig and was not pleased. I have tried the Studio Devil British Valve Custom and it was pretty good. It had more balls but still had clarity on the distorted tone and wasn't muddy. I'm looking for the best sound and need some help. I've thought about upgrading Amplitube to version 3 but is it worth it? Has the sound gotten better with more clarity on the heavier gain sound? Is there anything that is better? POD? Sansamp British pedal? Others?
Sorry, IMO there is NO substitute for the real deal.
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yeah you gotta use a real amp
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Re: Best Marshall Amp Sim

My best non-amp 'Marshall-ish' sound is from using the simulator (a Zoom G2nu in my case) to do what its good at, which is clean amp, cab simulation, EQ and reverb, and then feed that with an overdrive pedal. A Bad Monkey works great, and I have another one that I designed that works even better. I find I get a better drive sound from a pedal than from the simulator.

There would be many choices based on that approach, starting with a good overdrive pedal (long list) to set the basic tone.
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Hmmm hardware wise I'd probably go with... um. A Marshall amp.

What kind of tone are you after exactly? Because once you leave the realm of mid-gain tones, you pretty much HAVE to use a real amp of some kind. Before I had my TSL100, I tried pretty much every software piece out there, and it would be more expensive than just buying the real amp and still not sound as good (at gain).

I guess if you are set on solid-state type equipment, check out Axe-FX. There are a few versions and apparently they are very very good, and they do more than just the marshall repertoire.

Also you could run a rack-mount preamp into a speaker simulator. This is my preferred low volume solution.. I just picked up an ADA MP-1, and I use it through Logic Pro on my Mac for the speaker simulator and it sounds fantastic.
Marshall also made a preamp, called the JMP-1. I'm not sure how much they cost, but I'd think you could acquire one reasonably and it'd sound much better, even without a poweramp, than any software solution.
Oh, and the ADA MP-1 runs in the $200-300 range, very reasonable.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I am not sure exactly which model it is I am looking for. My experience with hearing Marshall tones has been being able to have a nice beefy gain but not having it be really muddy, still having some clarity and definition to it even when pushed harder. I would love to have a half stack sitting here beside me and crank it up to 11 but unfortunately the neighbors and the cops would not quite agree. I was looking at alternatives for that reason. I have to record quietly. I know there is no match for the real thing but I am just trying to get as close as I can and know it's not going to be perfect. Most of the software has sounded either too harsh and brittle or like most multi FX pedals I've tried very digital. I am looking for a way to record quietly and be able to push the gain a bit but not have it be completely muddy and lose some of the clarity. I just picked up a Sansamp GT2 so I am hoping that might help some at least. I am still looking for other options though if anyone has any recommendations.
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Unread 11-15-2011, 10:31 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Not to hype up Amplitube 3, but I just wanted to provide information regarding the thread topic.

You can download the Amplitube 3 software for free now. It is called Amplitube Custom Shop 3.2, or something like that. It just does not come with all the gear. It is just the raw software, and interface. Then what you do is click on the custom shop icon. That will bring up a list of all the gear that comes in the full version of Amplitube 3 plus a lot more. You can demo any of the gear Amps, Effects, Speaker Cabinets, and Microphones for 48 hours for free. Then you can just buy what you want. The average speaker cabinet/amp combo is around $20. If I did home recording I would use it no questions asked. The quality of the simulations are pretty dam close, and it is cost effective to just about any budget. So anyway if you already have a DI for your computer download Amplitube Custom Shop....it is pretty hard to beat FREE!!!
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Unread 11-15-2011, 07:53 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Amplitube for the PC is pretty sweet. I use it for night time jamming when I can't fire up one of my actual amps.
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Unread 11-24-2011, 11:11 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Sadly dude this is the wrong place for such a question, the die hard "real amp fanbois" arent gonna cut you any slack.

Most of them have little clue of a PC other that to surf porn, then bash everything that isnt a real marshall

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Dey took R jerbs....

yeah, Id ask on a recording forum, rather than here
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I downloaded Amplitube 3.7 FREE (Yes, the word free is in all-caps on their website, so that's an actual name, not me trying to be all emphatic about it) and bought two amps: the Orange Rockerverb 50 MKII and the Orange Thunderverb 200. These are officially licensed by Orange and sound awesome (although I don't like all the extra bass the Thunderverb puts out.

I also bought the Orange PPC 212 and 412 cabinets to go with them. Total cost to me on the Custom Shop: $41.

And since the program came with "British Tube Lead 1" (based on the Marshall JCM800) for free, that's just awesome in my opinion.

Try upgrading your software and see if you like it better, man.
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Hi,

I took 14 popular amp simulator plugins and produced a comparison of their ability to create a 70's style Marshall amp sound.

It's quite surprising just how good the free plugins are!

jameswoodward.net/review/amp-simulator-shootout-70s-marshall/

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Amplitube 3 is pretty great. When I can't crank up my Marshall it's a great substitute. This is a video I recorded with Amplitube 3 tones:
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Cheers David! It's a surprisingly dynamic tone achieved from Ampiltube. I may upload a video showing what I mean but you can roll off pretty well on the guitar volume and the tones are rich with clarity.
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You got a good page there woody777 going to spend some time looking into it.
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I got the free Amplitube and the free Guitarrig and I think they work great. Of course it's not the same as the real deal, but you can just record your ideas, try out sounds in the song mix and have a jolly good time for 0$. Not a bad deal at all.
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