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Unread 10-16-2011, 07:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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NAD - Blackstar HT-5

Just bought the last HT-5 combo at my small local shop. They have been discontinued and are being replaced by the HT-5R I believe but costs about a $100 more.

Anyway, I've been searching the web quite extensively as of late in order to replace my Marshall AVT-50. I've tried hard to like the AVT but just can't get around to it. I hate how you have to crank the gain on the clean channel to get some decent volume and then have your clean channel distort. Of course I could play with my guitar's volume but I have a hard time playing as it is without having to play with my volume on top of that .

As for the overdrive channel, it just does not have enough gain on tap for me and I don't know if it's the case for every AVTs out there but mine did not take OD pedals very well. I had been running a Hardwire Metal Distortion on the clean channel and I have to admit that the Hardwire was doing a pretty decent job but there just was something I that bothered me all the time and just couldn't put my finger on it per say.

So, I went to my local shop yesterday and was talking the shop owner about the HT-5 being discontinued and he told me he had one left and could give me a small rebate on it. I was pretty much set on buying one anyway so with the added rebate I pulled the trigger.

So far, I'm very impressed with it. I like the tone of it, it has sufficient gain on tap for my liking and the clean channel is pretty sweet, at least to my ears and specially when compared to the AVT. It's pretty much the perfect amp for me. Sweet tone, 5 watts which is perfect for the bedroom guitarist that I am. The gain does not get muddy when you crank it to 10 to the extent that any little mistake or string I strum ever so slightly that should not have been strummed is heard through the amp. This will have the added benefit of having me try to tighten up my act and not be as sloppy when playing. The ISF feature on it does cover a lot of ground gain wise and is a nice little feature.

Anyway, very happy with my purchase and to me a big step forward from the AVT. So this is pretty much the end of it with Marshall amps, at least for the time being. I'll still stick around the forum even though I bring absolutely nothing useful to it but I enjoy some of the conversations and some of the members here.
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Unread 10-16-2011, 07:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: NAD - Blackstar HT-5

glad you're happy with it man.

I didn't care for them myself but, it's preference.

I found them dark and fizzy. They ARE all ex Marshall engineers so it's still close enough,lol.

I too am not an owner of a Marshall at the moment but, i'm not "done" at ALL with Marshall i just have to sell my triamp to get the next one,lol.

once you dial it in show some clips man, i would like to hear your eq curve. It may help change my mind about them. I just ordered a nice H&K tubemeister 18 so i will be posting some clips once i get it this week as well.
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Re: NAD - Blackstar HT-5

I was thinking about one but I'm going to wait and see what the 50th Anniversary year line brings in the low wattage category
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Re: NAD - Blackstar HT-5

I'll see what I can do clip wise but really can't promise anything as I have absolutely no means of recording at home. I can check to see if my Sony Acid Music software will work on my Win7 laptop and see if I can find a mic somewhere. Unless I use my wife's Mac (cringe). Maybe I'll be able to record something without a mic. Either way, it will probably sound like shit if I can't find a proper mic but promise to try and find a way to do so.

I have to admit that I had been looking at the Class 5 amp but from what I've read it lacks in the gain category and only has one channel (?) or no footswitch to change between channels so I settled for the HT-5.
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Re: NAD - Blackstar HT-5

I have the opportunity to trade one of my class 5s and a guitar I'm selling for an HT-5 full stack and I think I might do it. I wonder how it will sound in stereo with my other class 5? (...and then I'll already have a cab for my CA-10 )
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Re: NAD - Blackstar HT-5

My buddy has 1 of these amps and I just love it. I plugged my Flying V with no pedals at al and it just ripped.... HT-5 through a Traynor 4 x 12 no less. I'll be picking one up soon and for the price you can't beat 'em for the price

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Re: NAD - Blackstar HT-5

Congrats! I have one also and I call it a mini jubilee. It does those smooth, dark, medium gain tones very nicely.
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Re: NAD - Blackstar HT-5

I love my HT-5 mini stack.
I agree with the comparisons to a Jubilee.
It sounds killer through a 4x12
I think it's the best all-round low wattage amp, but it does compromise a little bit of tone in order to provide extras such as a clean channel & effects loop.
The Class 5 is a superior tone machine but it's a one trick pony, albiet a VERY good trick
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Re: NAD - Blackstar HT-5

So how does the ht-5 take pedals up front? Specifically like a distortion or even a high gain distortion pedal on the clean channel and OD or boost on the dirt channel. It could make or break it for me.
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Re: NAD - Blackstar HT-5

I don't know about pedals. Haven't tried it yet. The gain is sufficient for me as is and since I don't solo, I don't really have a need for a clean boost or more overdrive. I do have a cheap Joyo or whatever they are called OD at home and I'll give it a try when I have a minute and will report back. I'll try it in front of the amp and in the fx loop.
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Re: NAD - Blackstar HT-5

Cool, chances are it will be fine with the lead channel alone cranked, but I'm concerned with lower volumes. I guess I should have mentioned that before.

I was going to start a thread, but when I saw yours I didn't want to start another one on the same subject...hope you don't mind the questions.
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Re: NAD - Blackstar HT-5

I bot the HT-5 head just to jamm @ home, it's pretty loud for 5 watts and REAL loud thru a 4 x 12 cabinet. Just for fun I hooked it up to two 4 x 12 cabinets and it didn't sound as good as one 4 x 12, haven't tried a pedal in front but have used the EMG boost switch on my Carvin...sounded better. Effects loop sounds good also...great little amp!!!

The clean channel doesn't seem to have much headroom...
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Re: NAD - Blackstar HT-5

I've played mine at low volumes and liked it a lot. I didn't crank it up much yet but for the little bit that I did, it did fine. You can definitly have fun with it at low volumes and as stated, the clean channel does not have that much headroom but I mean, if you only use it as a practice amp you should be fine. Don't expect to play with a drummer though unless you use a cab and even then not sure it would be loud enough. I'll try to find some time tonight to try a couple of things with my cheap OD, at low volume and cranked a bit more (wife permitting lol)
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Sounds good...I'm an at home jammer so gig volume's not an issue. Truth is, I mostly play my class 5 on 1/4 power and crank it.
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So how does the ht-5 take pedals up front? Specifically like a distortion or even a high gain distortion pedal on the clean channel and OD or boost on the dirt channel. It could make or break it for me.
The HT-5 sounds great at bedroom volume too! But it takes pedals very well. Boosters, overdrives, (high gain) distortions, and even fuzzes.
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Re: NAD - Blackstar HT-5

I almost bought one today... I'm not sure why I didn't. I love the amp and tried it through a Marshall 4 x 12 at the store today. It does kick ass for sure. I actually think it's even loud enough to gig with. I'm gonna' borrow one from the store for my show this coming weekend to see how it works on stage with my 4 x 12 and a Tube Screamer.

I'd be interested to hear how well the recording output works too. I'm generally not a fan of those outputs but I have heard some "not suck"...
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The HT-5 sounds great at bedroom volume too! But it takes pedals very well. Boosters, overdrives, (high gain) distortions, and even fuzzes.
That's what I was hoping to hear...cool!
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Re: NAD - Blackstar HT-5

How does this amp compare to the marshall class 5?
Thanks

Also, i noticed that, the combo is stated as a valve amp, but the head is stated as a solid state amp. but each have the same specs.
I dont understand that, can some one clear that up for me.

Scrol to the bottom for specs...............

http://www.dawsons.co.uk/guitars/gui...ombo-amplifier

http://www.dawsons.co.uk/guitars/gui...-5w-valve-head
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How does this amp compare to the marshall class 5?
...it doesn't! I went ahead and did the trade. I played the HT-5 in the store and liked it. I thought I could have some fun with it, but after playing it all weekend, I think I'm going to return it. I have a renewed appreciation for my class 5 now!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the amp, it just doesnt do it for me after all.

...and I don't regret the trade. I'm going to return the amp and put the money on a guitar I found instead.
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...it doesn't! I went ahead and did the trade. I played the HT-5 in the store and liked it. I thought I could have some fun with it, but after playing it all weekend, I think I'm going to return it. I have a renewed appreciation for my class 5 now!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the amp, it just doesnt do it for me after all.

...and I don't regret the trade. I'm going to return the amp and put the money on a guitar I found instead.

Could i ask what you didnt like about it?

I was looking at the class 5 to begin with, but to me it doesnt seem to have any ummmph in regards to like high gain etc.
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Well....compared to the class 5 it sounds more like a SS amp with a good highgain pedal in front of it. Which if I understand correctly is basically what it is.

I get better metal tones from my Class 5, but they're old school metal tones and not modern metal tone and I have to work a little harder to get them. I guess my tastes have changed because a few years ago I would've gone for the HT-5 over the C5 any day.

The C5 gets better as it breaks in and with the right tubes and a good OD (or 2) you can probably get more out of it than you might think....at least that's how it worked for me.
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I had the Black Star HT5 head and ran thru VHT 2-12 cab with English Vintage 30's..Always seemed fizzy and I was always adjusting tone controls when changing from single coils to humbuckers, does not seem to have as much out put as Marshall with out Cranking on Drive Channel ...I tried to like it..changed to NOS power tube, still the same. I sold it and bought Marshall Class 5 head. Love the Marshall,I have a Class 5 Combo also. Marshall is a one trick pony but IMO tone is superior to BlackStar
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Re: NAD - Blackstar HT-5

When you look at both the Class 5 and the HT-5's specs, they are similar. The Class 5 has one chanel but 3 tubes (2 pre-amp, 1 Power amp). The HT-5 has 2 channels and 2 tubes (1/1). Both have 10 inch Celestion speakers (now a 12 inch Blackbird 50 for the HT-5). Is the Marshall's tone better? Some would say yes, others would say no. I have never played a Class 5 so I can't comment on that. However, in my area the Blackstar is a couple of hundreds cheaper than the Class 5. Is the tone really that much better to justify the $200 dollar difference. Again some may say yes others may say no.

It's really a matter of personal preference and also in this case, compromise. You absolutly want two chanels? Then the Class 5 is not for you. If you prefer better tone over versatility, then the Class 5 maybe for you.
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I hope I didn't come across as bashing the HT-5, that wasn't my intention and I do think it's a kick ass little amp, I just dig my class 5 better for what I do.

Last night I put a 10" Scumback in one of the cabs and it made it sound a lot more organic and took away some of that "pedal" vibe I was talking about. I'd be keeping the amp if it wasn't for the guitar I found and I can't afford both right now.

I think if they'll let me, I'm only going to return the half stack and keep a cab with my scumback in it. It sounds great with my class 5 and next summer when MM54 starts building the CA-10 I plan be first in line with a cab already waiting.

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I hope I didn't come across as bashing the HT-5, that wasn't my intention and I do think it's a kick ass little amp, I just dig my class 5 better for what I do.

Last night I put a 10" Scumback in one of the cabs and it made it sound a lot more organic and took away some of that "pedal" vibe I was talking about. I'd be keeping the amp if it wasn't for the guitar I found and I can't afford both right now.

I think if they'll let me, I'm only going to return the half stack and keep a cab with my scumback in it. It sounds great with my class 5 and next summer when MM54 starts building the CA-10 I plan be first in line with a cab already waiting.

No, not at all. I was just trying to add something to the conversation.
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Hey guys, new to the site. I too just bought a HT5 (not a HT5R) and I have to say I'm disappointed. And yes 5 Watts is loud. Background - 2nd attempt at all tube bedroom/practice amp. I have the Vox Valvetronix 30VT and I love the Marshall emulated settings. So I viewed hours of YouTube HT5 clips and chose it over Ibanez's Tube Sceamer TS15 combo, Marshall's Class 5, etc. By the way, YouTube "editing" and tooling up the clips with editing software adding reverb, delay, etc., is not a fair representation of the actual amp sounds, IMO. Done with rant...Anyway...I just can't get a good Marshall distorted sound regardless of volume/gain. I can't keep it loud for long (too loud for neighbors) but even then it's muddy.

I kind of like the FX loop with my Chorus and Delay H20 pedal. I don't like the fact there is no reverb but this amp was on sale and they didn't have the HT5R, plus it was an additional $130.

I tried a Boss 2 Blues Driver in front and just for grins, a Zoom Tri Metal pedal both with crappy sounding results.

So, here are my questions - Just how long does it take to break in a speaker (combo)? Will this make a difference eventually?
Will I ever really be able to get a good distorted Marshall sound other than using modeling amps in a bedroom setting? Am I stuck with modeling amps for home use? Whoever came up with "bedroom amp"? How about Living room amp or Basement amp? Who plays in their bedroom?!!

I've been tweaking the ISF settings, gain and volume settings and all I get is this muddy semi distorted sound. I put my old Vox VT30 back in and set it to UK Modern setting and ask - "why can't I get anything near to that Marshall sound".

By the way, I'm playing a Epiphone Les Paul Ultra II. I will also try my Ibanez RG.
I have a couple weeks to try this and they'll accept a return.

Not sure if I'll care for the Class 5 for some of the same complaints, too loud to get the tubes to break up, not a 2 channel, no reverb, etc.

The HT1R looks tiny and I get imagine much out of a 8" speaker.

I'm not complaining about the money, it cost me as much as a couple stomp boxes would cost, I'm just disappointed in the sound compared to those YouTube clips.

Any thoughts? Thanks
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