Beware of this seller...

thegaindeli · 11-11-2009, 01:16 PM

I purchased what was advertised as a Mark IIC+ on ebay last month. He stated that it was a Mark IIC, with a Mark IIC+ PCB installed into it. After trying to sell it, I had people asking me to check the transformer numbers, and the letter coding... I pulled the chassis out, to find that the amps letter code "DRG" was changed to "HRG"! I then began a numbers search on the OT coding... What I found out was that Mr. Beard (calls himself "Silverwulf" on The Boogie Board. He is "new-world-man 2112" on ebay) had the amp converted from a Simul-Class Mark IIC, to a 60/100 watt - with a MESA MARK III OUTPUT TRANSFORMER! Also - I spoke with Mike B. at MESA, and he said that there's NO WAY that the amp had a Mark IIC+ PCB installed! All reverb equipped Mark IIC amps had a "C+ modded" Mark IIC PCB. Nice... After asking him why he wasn't truthful about the amps history - he said; "You didn't ask"! I requested a refund on the amp, and he refused. I even have his email where he admits that he knew about the OT swap! Here is his ebay listing:
Mesa Mark IIC+ 1X12 Combo w/Mesa EV12L 200W Speaker! - eBay (item 220493064074 end time Oct-10-09 22:24:49 PDT)

Here is his ebay reply after I requested a refund... He admits to knowing about the OT swap also:
Hey man! It's easiest to just email me directly, I can respond quicker during the day that way (silverwulf2@yahoo.com). I have no clue what OT it has, I just know it has the 105 PT. Even if it has a 562100, it's the exact same spec as the IIC 100W transformer. In fact, Hetfield has had a 562100 in his IIC+ "Crunch Berries" since the latter part of the "Justice" tour because he blew out the original (Kirk has one in one of his IIC+ also). The amp was an upgrade done by Mike B who replaced the board. It started life as a IIC, Simul and was converted to a IIC+, 100W. The conversion to 100W required Mike to swap the OT, which I assumed was the IIC+ tranny. The chassis markings would be changed accordingly. Even if it does have a 562100, it's the same thing, different part #. No one worked on that amp other than Mesa, and Mike B in particular. It's a IIC+ through and through.
- new-world-man-2112

This guy is as bad as a gear thief! All you need to do, is to take one look at the listing, and then read his email... No mention of any OT swap at all! No mention of it originally being a Simul-Class either. Plus, he lied about the "C+ PCB upgrade"! I paid $2,300.00 for this amp - and Mr. Beard thinks I'm the asshole? I would NEVER had paid $2,300.00 for this amp - no way! I would have purchased a Mark IIC Simul-Class for around $1,600.00 and then had Mike B. do a C+ upgrade.

American Viking · 11-11-2009, 02:35 PM

I understand why you are upset and I don't blame you.

In the same breath however, on a modded piece or even original piece of gear when that much money is involved you should always ask for detailed pictures of the internals of the amplifier to verify it's condition first hand. That is pretty much on you, although I don't agree with deceitful selling practices either.

I don't know anything about Crunch Berries other than the sugar filled cereal but have you verified anything internally on this amp yourself instead of talking to Mike B? I really don't understand what's going on to be honest. I don't know why a one amp's PCB would be worth something in another amp. I wouldn't get a TSL board in a DSL, it doesn't make sense and it wouldn't work. Anyways, there were and are plenty of original Mesa Mark IIC+ on ebay everyday for almost $1000 cheaper than what you paid for a bogus one. Why didn't you just go that route?

Sorry you got hosed. I know that shit sucks.

thrawn86 · 11-11-2009, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by American Viking

I understand why you are upset and I don't blame you.

In the same breath however, on a modded piece or even original piece of gear when that much money is involved you should always ask for detailed pictures of the internals of the amplifier to verify it's condition first hand.

AV, you're reading my mind.

EBAY IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. There can be some really good stuff there, but you must put in your due dilligence with anything like this. It's not like going to the restaurant and dropping $30 on an entree, only to be disappointed; you're only out $30.

steelhorse · 11-11-2009, 04:05 PM

If you paid via paypal, file a claim. THEY WILL get your money back!

silverwulf · 11-11-2009, 10:55 PM

Here's the real scoop:

The Boogie Board • View topic - Re: Ripped-off on Mark IIC+ purchase...

I'm Silverwulf, aka NewWorldMan that sold the amp. That thread I posted shows the real story. This is just the buyer spinning his version of what happened. He didn't get screwed over. In fact, BoogieBabies - the IIC+ guru - has already told him he was full of it and everything I stated was 100% correct.

Over at The Boogie Board, this guy has already had a thread deleted, his post count erased, and is borderline getting banned from The Boogie Board for using vulgar, offensive language and using threats against me on multiple occasions. He's also had E-Bay auctions forced down for using slander and hateful language, and he's already had posts edited over at Rig-Talk also.

Everything I stated was 100% correct as verified by Mesa and Boogiebabies, and you'll also see that he admits to lying at least twice in his thread.

For anyone that wants to sell to this guy, please beware. We've discovered that this is the 5TH CASE OF BUYERS REMORSE IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS he's apparently had, demanding money back after he purchased something. The others included a Gibson LP Custom, a Cornford 4X12, a Jackson Soloist, etc.

He apparently thinks forums and E-Bay are like Guitar Center where you can purchase something, try it out for a month, then send it back if you don't like it.

American Viking · 11-11-2009, 11:07 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

holy shit that's funny! I thought your name sounded familiar!

That's kind of I was confused about, what did he want, a different tranny or a different board?

silverwulf · 11-11-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by American Viking

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

holy shit that's funny! I thought your name sounded familiar!

That's kind of I was confused about, what did he want, a different tranny or a different board?

He constantly changes his story. First he claimed it wasn't a real IIC+. That was debunked. Then he said the transformer was the problem, and that was debunked. Listen to the voicemail here from Marcus at Mesa who clearly states:

"The 562100 was used on...Mark IIC+'s, Mark III's..." and concludes by saying "...that's the proper transformer for the amp."

SoundClick artist: Silverwulf - page with MP3 music downloads

After that was shot down, he then claimed the board wasn't a replacement like I said...and that was also debunked over at The Boogie Board in detail complete with pics and tons of technical info.

Then he claimed I charged him $75 for shipping but promised him free shipping with the "Buy it Now." That took all of 5 seconds to once again prove his lies because you can view the auction he posted above and clearly see I did not charge $75 and offer free shipping with the BIN. I charged him $90 flat rate for shipping, never said free shipping with BIN, then ended up dropping $120 to have it professionally packed and shipped.

Now that every claim he made has been shot down and he has nothing left to argue about, he's just resorted to vulgar language, threats, and spamming forums.

American Viking · 11-11-2009, 11:24 PM

jesus christ almighty! dude ain't buying nothing cheap! over top dollar everywhere

eBay Feedback Profile for jcoopercam

gaindeli, you should hook a brother up. It doesn't look like you're stressing for cash... I could really use another Les Paul. What on Earth do you do for a living? I'm a musician, therefore can barely afford eat.

silverwulf · 11-11-2009, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by American Viking

jesus christ almighty! dude ain't buying nothing cheap! over top dollar everywhere

eBay Feedback Profile for jcoopercam

gaindeli, you should hook a brother up. It doesn't look like you're stressing for cash...

I guess it's easy to fund top dollar items when you keep asking for your money back on every other purchase...

American Viking · 11-11-2009, 11:35 PM

I'll take that fake ass Mesa if you don't want it...

Landshark · 11-12-2009, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by American Viking

I wouldn't get a TSL board in a DSL, it doesn't make sense and it wouldn't work.

Actually the DSL and TSL have the same board and I'm pretty sure the exact same components. I checked the schematics once online because i was gonna do a board swap.

Landshark · 11-12-2009, 02:24 AM

But I got what you were saying. and I could be wrong.

wkcchampion · 11-12-2009, 04:51 AM

Fiel a claim with Paypal and complain to Ebay. Get your money back bud

jcmjmp · 11-12-2009, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverwulf

Here's the real scoop:

The Boogie Board • View topic - Re: Ripped-off on Mark IIC+ purchase...

I'm Silverwulf, aka NewWorldMan that sold the amp. That thread I posted shows the real story. This is just the buyer spinning his version of what happened. He didn't get screwed over. In fact, BoogieBabies - the IIC+ guru - has already told him he was full of it and everything I stated was 100% correct.

Over at The Boogie Board, this guy has already had a thread deleted, his post count erased, and is borderline getting banned from The Boogie Board for using vulgar, offensive language and using threats against me on multiple occasions. He's also had E-Bay auctions forced down for using slander and hateful language, and he's already had posts edited over at Rig-Talk also.

Everything I stated was 100% correct as verified by Mesa and Boogiebabies, and you'll also see that he admits to lying at least twice in his thread.

For anyone that wants to sell to this guy, please beware. We've discovered that this is the 5TH CASE OF BUYERS REMORSE IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS he's apparently had, demanding money back after he purchased something. The others included a Gibson LP Custom, a Cornford 4X12, a Jackson Soloist, etc.

He apparently thinks forums and E-Bay are like Guitar Center where you can purchase something, try it out for a month, then send it back if you don't like it.

This is exactly why this kind of thread should have been deleted by the administrators. Public forums are no place to solve issues when transactions go bad... as I stated in the 2nd thread this guy started on this board for the exact same thing (another forum no no).
Beware of this seller...

Unfortnately, we don't have any forum rules here.

custom53 · 11-12-2009, 09:32 AM

There are rules at the forum. Maybe there should be a new category for such things. Invite the other party to defend himself. Everyone here can judge for themselves. Of course if the person is wrong and KNOWS he is wrong he probably will not respond to posting...

silverwulf · 11-12-2009, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by custom53

There are rules at the forum. Maybe there should be a new category for such things. Invite the other party to defend himself. Everyone here can judge for themselves. Of course if the person is wrong and KNOWS he is wrong he probably will not respond to posting...

Well, there is not a single thing in that auction that is not 100% the truth. You can view the auction and then The Boogie Board thread to see phone messages from Mesa along with actual gut shots of the amp with in-depth technical data that validates everything I said. TGD didn't even realize he was looking at pics of his amp, and what very little data he thought he had came from the same guy who already told him he wouldn't know what he was talking about if it jumped up and bit him.

This is of course in addition to him being caught lying - twice - once of which he admitted to it.

custom53 · 11-12-2009, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverwulf

Well, there is not a single thing in that auction that is not 100% the truth. You can view the auction and then The Boogie Board thread to see phone messages from Mesa along with actual gut shots of the amp with in-depth technical data that validates everything I said. TGD didn't even realize he was looking at pics of his amp, and what very little data he thought he had came from the same guy who already told him he wouldn't know what he was talking about if it jumped up and bit him.

This is of course in addition to him being caught lying - twice - once of which he admitted to it.

That's what I mean. He probably wouldn't respond to posting his case when he obviously knows he's wrong...

***Adwex*** · 11-12-2009, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcmjmp

This is exactly why this kind of thread should have been deleted by the administrators. Public forums are no place to solve issues when transactions go bad... as I stated in the 2nd thread this guy started on this board for the exact same thing (another forum no no).
Beware of this seller...

Unfortnately, we don't have any forum rules here.

The forum does have rules.

Although a public forum is not the proper place to call someone out after a bad deal, there are no specific rules in this regard here, so there's no need to bash the forum, and no reason to delete this thread...unless it gets out of hand.

Are you always grumpy?

rockinr0ll · 11-12-2009, 03:27 PM

"Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts."

Not to throw the the administration under the bus but most of this is classified those in bold.

On the Boogie forum they have deleted the thread. We could consider to do the same. There is no winner in this battle but I hope that because the Boogie thread is deleted it doesn't carry on here.

All is good.

steelhorse · 11-12-2009, 03:37 PM

Well, it's been civil thus far overall imo and if it becomes flagrant then it should be locked but I don't see any reason why people can't post issues on the board within reason and without censoring.

There have been legitimate cases in the past and there are times when we need to be made aware of fraud and other issues taking place out there.

MartyStrat54 · 11-12-2009, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steelhorse

Well, it's been civil thus far overall imo and if it becomes flagrant then it should be locked but I don't see any reason why people can't post issues on the board within reason and without censoring.

There have been legitimate cases in the past and there are times when we need to be made aware of fraud and other issues taking place out there.

Well, I could change all that. I have a reputation you know.

I'd love to see these two in one of them celebrity boxing matches. Remember the TV show where you settled your differences in the ring? This would be perfect.

...and we have a knock-out!!! Ding, ding, ding. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a decision.

Man, that would be great and have it streaming live on YouTube with a feed to the forum.

rockinr0ll · 11-12-2009, 04:17 PM

Marty you always make everything so much more interesting! HA!

steelhorse · 11-12-2009, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

Well, I could change all that. I have a reputation you know.

I'd love to see these two in one of them celebrity boxing matches. Remember the TV show where you settled your differences in the ring? This would be perfect.

...and we have a knock-out!!! Ding, ding, ding. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a decision.

Man, that would be great and have it streaming live on YouTube with a feed to the forum.

You're not the only one buddy!

You see the one in the guitars section about the LP EVH bolt on thing?

Priceless imo.

Now, ladies and germs, LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!!

MartyStrat54 · 11-12-2009, 05:38 PM

No I haven't. I have to go and spread some cheer over there.

11-11-2009, 01:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
thegaindeli Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 105	Beware of this seller... I purchased what was advertised as a Mark IIC+ on ebay last month. He stated that it was a Mark IIC, with a Mark IIC+ PCB installed into it. After trying to sell it, I had people asking me to check the transformer numbers, and the letter coding... I pulled the chassis out, to find that the amps letter code "DRG" was changed to "HRG"! I then began a numbers search on the OT coding... What I found out was that Mr. Beard (calls himself "Silverwulf" on The Boogie Board. He is "new-world-man 2112" on ebay) had the amp converted from a Simul-Class Mark IIC, to a 60/100 watt - with a MESA MARK III OUTPUT TRANSFORMER! Also - I spoke with Mike B. at MESA, and he said that there's NO WAY that the amp had a Mark IIC+ PCB installed! All reverb equipped Mark IIC amps had a "C+ modded" Mark IIC PCB. Nice... After asking him why he wasn't truthful about the amps history - he said; "You didn't ask"! I requested a refund on the amp, and he refused. I even have his email where he admits that he knew about the OT swap! Here is his ebay listing: Mesa Mark IIC+ 1X12 Combo w/Mesa EV12L 200W Speaker! - eBay (item 220493064074 end time Oct-10-09 22:24:49 PDT) Here is his ebay reply after I requested a refund... He admits to knowing about the OT swap also: Hey man! It's easiest to just email me directly, I can respond quicker during the day that way (silverwulf2@yahoo.com). I have no clue what OT it has, I just know it has the 105 PT. Even if it has a 562100, it's the exact same spec as the IIC 100W transformer. In fact, Hetfield has had a 562100 in his IIC+ "Crunch Berries" since the latter part of the "Justice" tour because he blew out the original (Kirk has one in one of his IIC+ also). The amp was an upgrade done by Mike B who replaced the board. It started life as a IIC, Simul and was converted to a IIC+, 100W. The conversion to 100W required Mike to swap the OT, which I assumed was the IIC+ tranny. The chassis markings would be changed accordingly. Even if it does have a 562100, it's the same thing, different part #. No one worked on that amp other than Mesa, and Mike B in particular. It's a IIC+ through and through. - new-world-man-2112 This guy is as bad as a gear thief! All you need to do, is to take one look at the listing, and then read his email... No mention of any OT swap at all! No mention of it originally being a Simul-Class either. Plus, he lied about the "C+ PCB upgrade"! I paid $2,300.00 for this amp - and Mr. Beard thinks I'm the asshole? I would NEVER had paid $2,300.00 for this amp - no way! I would have purchased a Mark IIC Simul-Class for around $1,600.00 and then had Mike B. do a C+ upgrade. __________________ Calling and illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"!

11-11-2009, 02:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 2,030	Re: Beware of this seller... I understand why you are upset and I don't blame you. In the same breath however, on a modded piece or even original piece of gear when that much money is involved you should always ask for detailed pictures of the internals of the amplifier to verify it's condition first hand. That is pretty much on you, although I don't agree with deceitful selling practices either. I don't know anything about Crunch Berries other than the sugar filled cereal but have you verified anything internally on this amp yourself instead of talking to Mike B? I really don't understand what's going on to be honest. I don't know why a one amp's PCB would be worth something in another amp. I wouldn't get a TSL board in a DSL, it doesn't make sense and it wouldn't work. Anyways, there were and are plenty of original Mesa Mark IIC+ on ebay everyday for almost $1000 cheaper than what you paid for a bogus one. Why didn't you just go that route? Sorry you got hosed. I know that shit sucks. __________________ Transformers inside amplifiers were not originally designed to be in there, and the tube was not created for the guitar amp. ANY recommended idle current is a guideline and in no way a necessary requirement. There is no skeleton key for any tube amp.

11-11-2009, 04:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,951	Re: Beware of this seller... If you paid via paypal, file a claim. THEY WILL get your money back! __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

11-11-2009, 10:55 PM	#5 (permalink)
silverwulf Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 31	Re: Beware of this seller... Here's the real scoop: The Boogie Board • View topic - Re: Ripped-off on Mark IIC+ purchase... I'm Silverwulf, aka NewWorldMan that sold the amp. That thread I posted shows the real story. This is just the buyer spinning his version of what happened. He didn't get screwed over. In fact, BoogieBabies - the IIC+ guru - has already told him he was full of it and everything I stated was 100% correct. Over at The Boogie Board, this guy has already had a thread deleted, his post count erased, and is borderline getting banned from The Boogie Board for using vulgar, offensive language and using threats against me on multiple occasions. He's also had E-Bay auctions forced down for using slander and hateful language, and he's already had posts edited over at Rig-Talk also. Everything I stated was 100% correct as verified by Mesa and Boogiebabies, and you'll also see that he admits to lying at least twice in his thread. For anyone that wants to sell to this guy, please beware. We've discovered that this is the 5TH CASE OF BUYERS REMORSE IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS he's apparently had, demanding money back after he purchased something. The others included a Gibson LP Custom, a Cornford 4X12, a Jackson Soloist, etc. He apparently thinks forums and E-Bay are like Guitar Center where you can purchase something, try it out for a month, then send it back if you don't like it.

11-11-2009, 11:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 2,030	Re: Beware of this seller... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! holy shit that's funny! I thought your name sounded familiar! That's kind of I was confused about, what did he want, a different tranny or a different board? __________________ Transformers inside amplifiers were not originally designed to be in there, and the tube was not created for the guitar amp. ANY recommended idle current is a guideline and in no way a necessary requirement. There is no skeleton key for any tube amp.

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11-11-2009, 11:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 2,030	Re: Beware of this seller... jesus christ almighty! dude ain't buying nothing cheap! over top dollar everywhere eBay Feedback Profile for jcoopercam gaindeli, you should hook a brother up. It doesn't look like you're stressing for cash... I could really use another Les Paul. What on Earth do you do for a living? I'm a musician, therefore can barely afford eat. __________________ Transformers inside amplifiers were not originally designed to be in there, and the tube was not created for the guitar amp. ANY recommended idle current is a guideline and in no way a necessary requirement. There is no skeleton key for any tube amp.

11-11-2009, 11:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 2,030	Re: Beware of this seller... I'll take that fake ass Mesa if you don't want it... __________________ Transformers inside amplifiers were not originally designed to be in there, and the tube was not created for the guitar amp. ANY recommended idle current is a guideline and in no way a necessary requirement. There is no skeleton key for any tube amp.

11-12-2009, 02:24 AM	#12 (permalink)
Landshark Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Terre Haute, Indiana Posts: 579	Re: Beware of this seller... But I got what you were saying. and I could be wrong. __________________ Gibson Les Paul Studio Schecter S-1 Elite Marshall JCM 2000 TSL Vox AC 100 CPH Laney 4x12-WGS ET65's modded basketweave grill cloth

11-12-2009, 04:51 AM	#13 (permalink)
wkcchampion Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Italy Posts: 633	Re: Beware of this seller... Fiel a claim with Paypal and complain to Ebay. Get your money back bud

11-12-2009, 09:32 AM	#15 (permalink)
custom53 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 126	Re: Beware of this seller... There are rules at the forum. Maybe there should be a new category for such things. Invite the other party to defend himself. Everyone here can judge for themselves. Of course if the person is wrong and KNOWS he is wrong he probably will not respond to posting... __________________ 2004 Gibson Les Paul Flametop 1995 Hamer Duo Tone Sunburst 1991 Ernie Ball EVH Trans Black 1981 Hamer Special Trans Green Quilt Sustain Block Bridge with Checkerboard Headstock 1975 Ovation Breadwinner Black Marhsall JMP 2203 Half Stack Marshall JTM 45 Reissue Half Stack 2ea 370/301 Acoustic Bass Amps Peavey Classic 100 Half Stack Tweed Soldano HR50+ Half Stack Black Peavey Butcher 120 Watt Half Stack

11-12-2009, 03:27 PM	#19 (permalink)
rockinr0ll Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,602	Re: Beware of this seller... "Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts." Not to throw the the administration under the bus but most of this is classified those in bold. On the Boogie forum they have deleted the thread. We could consider to do the same. There is no winner in this battle but I hope that because the Boogie thread is deleted it doesn't carry on here. All is good.

11-12-2009, 03:37 PM	#20 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,951	Re: Beware of this seller... Well, it's been civil thus far overall imo and if it becomes flagrant then it should be locked but I don't see any reason why people can't post issues on the board within reason and without censoring. There have been legitimate cases in the past and there are times when we need to be made aware of fraud and other issues taking place out there. __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

11-12-2009, 04:17 PM	#22 (permalink)
rockinr0ll Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,602	Re: Beware of this seller... Marty you always make everything so much more interesting! HA!

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