DSL50 Tone shift button (mid scoop)

Richman1 · 10-27-2009, 05:26 PM

I think that I hate this button on the DSL. It sucks out the mids and sounds bad with a Duncan JB in the bridge position. I've always liked Warren Demartini's tone, and it's very mid dominant. JB pickups and vintage 30 speakers. That mid button sounds boomy and twangy at the same time to me.

DSL troubles · 10-27-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Richman1

I think that I hate this button on the DSL. It sucks out the mids and sounds bad with a Duncan JB in the bridge position. I've always liked Warren Demartini's tone, and it's very mid dominant. JB pickups and vintage 30 speakers. That mid button sounds boomy and twangy at the same time to me.

I have the DSL100, and also use the JB pup,....you might as well turn your amp off completely when playing with another guitar player and that mid scoop is engaged!

American Viking · 10-27-2009, 05:42 PM

You guys are absolutely right. That button is for the children and bedroom players alike. You can't use that thing scooped in a band setting, it turns to mud when standing a few feet away and mixed with the other instruments of the band. I hate that button, but I'll tell you what the little metal kiddies like is to tune down to X, Y, or drop Z and use the mid scoop button and the deep button at the same time. lol.

Glad you guys are on the same page.

Trick · 10-27-2009, 05:42 PM

Yea!, that mid scoop sucks ass! Makes your amp sound like a Solid state POS! Marshalls are known for that Mid Tone! Roll with it!

Richman1 · 10-27-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by American Viking

You guys are absolutely right. That button is for the children and bedroom players alike. You can't use that thing scooped in a band setting, it turns to mud when standing a few feet away and mixed with the other instruments of the band. I hate that button, but I'll tell you what the little metal kiddies like is to tune down to X, Y, or drop Z and use the mid scoop button and the deep button at the same time. lol.

Glad you guys are on the same page.

It also sounds like crap through the house system and monitors.. no matter how you tweak your board,EQ, ect...and thats with a good mike SM57.

carnada · 10-27-2009, 07:31 PM

mid scoop buttons on any amp suck. Its for 13 year old kids that just got into metallica and the only thing they wanna do is play nothing else matters at a school assembly

Paramedic006 · 10-27-2009, 07:59 PM

I just got my DSL100 from fedex and plugged it in and played. My first real marshall tube amp and I wish I could take that tone shift option off. I had it on for a grand total of 2min. I do like the classic channel, very cool. Not a fan of the crunch channel though.

American Viking · 10-27-2009, 11:25 PM

I find the Crunch/Lead channel to be a little muddy. I'm not a big fan of that one either. The classic one can sound pretty good with some pedals and/or a boost. I was going to throw in some KT77's in there and maybe change the transformer like some do to get different tones but I'm just going to leave it stock since I've got a pair of 800's. Trying to trade my DSL100 with another fellow on here for a 900 SL-X.
I just don't need diversity in an amp is all. The DSL is a fine amp just not my style anymore.

RiverRatt · 10-27-2009, 11:26 PM

Paramedic, give it some time. As you play with it and learn to dial it in, you'll find that each channel has something to offer (except Ultra II maybe). The Classic crunch mode is useful for getting more breakup when you can't crank the clean up that loud. I can make the Ultra I channel sound a lot like my friend's 1987 clone by backing off the gain, turning up the master, and tweaking the tone controls for a little less treble.

noise5150 · 10-27-2009, 11:51 PM

I also have a DSL50 head and love it. I run it through a 4x12 Vintage Modern cab. I never use the mid scoop button. It ruins the sound in my opinion. It sort of defeats the purpose of owning a Marshall amp. If you want a "scooped" sound like 80s Metallica, just turn the mids down a bit and there you go. Awesome.

solarburnDSL50 · 10-27-2009, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Paramedic006

I just got my DSL100 from fedex and plugged it in and played. My first real marshall tube amp and I wish I could take that tone shift option off. I had it on for a grand total of 2min. I do like the classic channel, very cool. Not a fan of the crunch channel though.

I don't ever use mine on any gain tones but try it on the clean channel(not crunch). You can get some funky cleans tones with single coils using it. Anytime you suck the mids out it won't come through in a live setting. Too me its an option I hardly ever use and when I do its cause I'm screwing around hehe.

Congrats on the new amp by the way!

The crunch voicing on the green channel is great with OD pedals. Sometimes pure sex if done right.

wkcchampion · 10-28-2009, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Paramedic006

I just got my DSL100 from fedex and plugged it in and played. My first real marshall tube amp and I wish I could take that tone shift option off. I had it on for a grand total of 2min. I do like the classic channel, very cool. Not a fan of the crunch channel though.

Here's another "mids lover". And I agree on the fact that scopping the mids will get your guitar lost in the mix too, both miked or unmiked.
The Brisith tone (either Vox, vintage or modern Marshall) is characterized by pronounced mids. Use them!

Ken · 10-28-2009, 08:39 AM

The mid scoop sounds crappy in the room, and makes the guitar vanish in the mix with a live band...BUT recorded it has an application if you want another option for a different tone. The fact I've used it for just one song in the past year however suggests it's fairly useless to me...

Ken

wulfgar1976 · 10-28-2009, 08:53 AM

I never use the mid scoop button either. I also never use the deep switch. The amplifier has enough bass response as it is and as other people have pointed out, the mids are the most important thing when standing out in the mix.

Paramedic006 · 11-01-2009, 12:43 AM

Today I changed all the tubes, pre and power and biased at about 38. Every channel on this thing came alive. I still don't like the tone shift but I am warming up to the crunch channel. Green channel sounds great with a OD1. Used amp so I thought it would be a good idea to change valves. Its a 2003 model. It did have the Winged C Svetlana's in it but I went to JJ's. I got em in my Peavey C30 and they sound good. Any thoughts on the winged C's. I've heard good and bad.

camwilkison · 11-06-2009, 12:39 PM

I've been using the DSL50 for around a year and a half now. I still haven't been able to find the tone i've been looking for. Can anyone suggest to me some presets for a "maiden" esque sound?

wulfgar1976 · 11-06-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by camwilkison

I've been using the DSL50 for around a year and a half now. I still haven't been able to find the tone i've been looking for. Can anyone suggest to me some presets for a "maiden" esque sound?

Here's my setup:

Using EH EL34s biased at around 17.5W idle dissipation.
Using four EH12AX7s with a selected high gain valve in V1.
Using a Strat with Seymour Duncan Hot Rails, JB Jrs. or Quarter Pounds (just to give an idea as your guitar might differ to mine in sound).

At rehearsal, I use the Ultra Gain channel Lead I with the humbuckers and Lead II with single coils. Approximate settings are Bass: 4, Mid: 5, Treble: 2, Presence: 6.5, Gain: 8, Master Volume: 4 or above.

To get a Maiden style sound at low volume I'll use the Ultra Gain Lead II setting with a touch more presence and the mids around 4 or a bit less. As others have said regarding this amp on this forum, the amp really comes to life when you crank it up past four but I find that Lead II gets thick distorted sounds at low volumes if you take the time to dial it in.

When I first bought my DSL-50, I had trouble getting the right sound and it turned out that the amp had bad solder joints. Now, it's exactly what I was after.

Good luck!

155 · 11-06-2009, 01:03 PM

button is useless

Gtrman58 · 11-06-2009, 01:11 PM

I have the DSL 100 and don't use mine. I do usually use the deep setting though.

camwilkison · 11-14-2009, 05:15 PM

thank's a lot man, i really appreciate it

Ken · 11-14-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by camwilkison

I've been using the DSL50 for around a year and a half now. I still haven't been able to find the tone i've been looking for. Can anyone suggest to me some presets for a "maiden" esque sound?

What cabinet/speakers do you have? Makes a big difference.

Ken

10-27-2009, 05:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
Richman1 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 59	DSL50 Tone shift button (mid scoop) I think that I hate this button on the DSL. It sucks out the mids and sounds bad with a Duncan JB in the bridge position. I've always liked Warren Demartini's tone, and it's very mid dominant. JB pickups and vintage 30 speakers. That mid button sounds boomy and twangy at the same time to me. __________________ DSL-50 DSL-50 1960AC 1960BV 1960A 1984 Jackson RR Custom 2006 Les Paul Classic

10-27-2009, 05:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 1,510	Re: DSL50 Tone shift button (mid scoop) You guys are absolutely right. That button is for the children and bedroom players alike. You can't use that thing scooped in a band setting, it turns to mud when standing a few feet away and mixed with the other instruments of the band. I hate that button, but I'll tell you what the little metal kiddies like is to tune down to X, Y, or drop Z and use the mid scoop button and the deep button at the same time. lol. Glad you guys are on the same page. __________________ -I'd rather be a good liver than have one...

10-27-2009, 05:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
Trick Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NorCal Posts: 41	Re: DSL50 Tone shift button (mid scoop) Yea!, that mid scoop sucks ass! Makes your amp sound like a Solid state POS! Marshalls are known for that Mid Tone! Roll with it!

10-27-2009, 07:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
carnada Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Posts: 662	Re: DSL50 Tone shift button (mid scoop) mid scoop buttons on any amp suck. Its for 13 year old kids that just got into metallica and the only thing they wanna do is play nothing else matters at a school assembly

10-27-2009, 07:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
Paramedic006 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 16	Re: DSL50 Tone shift button (mid scoop) I just got my DSL100 from fedex and plugged it in and played. My first real marshall tube amp and I wish I could take that tone shift option off. I had it on for a grand total of 2min. I do like the classic channel, very cool. Not a fan of the crunch channel though.

10-27-2009, 11:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 1,510	Re: DSL50 Tone shift button (mid scoop) I find the Crunch/Lead channel to be a little muddy. I'm not a big fan of that one either. The classic one can sound pretty good with some pedals and/or a boost. I was going to throw in some KT77's in there and maybe change the transformer like some do to get different tones but I'm just going to leave it stock since I've got a pair of 800's. Trying to trade my DSL100 with another fellow on here for a 900 SL-X. I just don't need diversity in an amp is all. The DSL is a fine amp just not my style anymore. __________________ -I'd rather be a good liver than have one...

10-27-2009, 11:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
RiverRatt Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Between Memphis and Nashville Posts: 517	Re: DSL50 Tone shift button (mid scoop) Paramedic, give it some time. As you play with it and learn to dial it in, you'll find that each channel has something to offer (except Ultra II maybe). The Classic crunch mode is useful for getting more breakup when you can't crank the clean up that loud. I can make the Ultra I channel sound a lot like my friend's 1987 clone by backing off the gain, turning up the master, and tweaking the tone controls for a little less treble.

10-27-2009, 11:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
noise5150 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 67	Re: DSL50 Tone shift button (mid scoop) I also have a DSL50 head and love it. I run it through a 4x12 Vintage Modern cab. I never use the mid scoop button. It ruins the sound in my opinion. It sort of defeats the purpose of owning a Marshall amp. If you want a "scooped" sound like 80s Metallica, just turn the mids down a bit and there you go. Awesome.

10-28-2009, 08:39 AM	#13 (permalink)
Ken Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington Heights, IL Posts: 607	Re: DSL50 Tone shift button (mid scoop) The mid scoop sounds crappy in the room, and makes the guitar vanish in the mix with a live band...BUT recorded it has an application if you want another option for a different tone. The fact I've used it for just one song in the past year however suggests it's fairly useless to me... Ken

10-28-2009, 08:53 AM	#14 (permalink)
wulfgar1976 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 22	Re: DSL50 Tone shift button (mid scoop) I never use the mid scoop button either. I also never use the deep switch. The amplifier has enough bass response as it is and as other people have pointed out, the mids are the most important thing when standing out in the mix.

11-01-2009, 12:43 AM	#15 (permalink)
Paramedic006 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 16	Re: DSL50 Tone shift button (mid scoop) Today I changed all the tubes, pre and power and biased at about 38. Every channel on this thing came alive. I still don't like the tone shift but I am warming up to the crunch channel. Green channel sounds great with a OD1. Used amp so I thought it would be a good idea to change valves. Its a 2003 model. It did have the Winged C Svetlana's in it but I went to JJ's. I got em in my Peavey C30 and they sound good. Any thoughts on the winged C's. I've heard good and bad.

11-06-2009, 12:39 PM	#16 (permalink)
camwilkison Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2	Re: DSL50 Tone shift button (mid scoop) I've been using the DSL50 for around a year and a half now. I still haven't been able to find the tone i've been looking for. Can anyone suggest to me some presets for a "maiden" esque sound?

11-06-2009, 01:03 PM	#18 (permalink)
155 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 45	Re: DSL50 Tone shift button (mid scoop) button is useless

11-06-2009, 01:11 PM	#19 (permalink)
Gtrman58 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 148	Re: DSL50 Tone shift button (mid scoop) I have the DSL 100 and don't use mine. I do usually use the deep setting though. __________________ 2009 JCM 2000 Dsl 100 MLB MC412A 1951 Fender Deluxe 2006 Hot Rod Deluxe 1995 Blues Junior 1994 Blues Deville Vox Path Finder 1982 Legend A 30 1980 Gibson Herritage Cherry Sunburst Standard 1980 Explorer White with gold HW 2000 52 Telecaster USA RI 1983 57 Strat LH USA RI 2003 57 Strat USA RI 1960 Silvertone Danelectro 1994 Fender P-bass 68 RI Acoustic guitars....not enough space to list !!!!!

11-14-2009, 05:15 PM	#20 (permalink)
camwilkison Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2	Re: DSL50 Tone shift button (mid scoop) thank's a lot man, i really appreciate it

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