Adrian R

Wow...just read in my current guitar player rag that Ozzy fired Zakk...said he got tired of every album sounding like BLS...

It was also mentioned that Ozzy replaced Zakk with some player called 'GusgG' from the band Firewind..

Any player in Ozzy's band has got enormous shoes to fill due to the band's outstanding guitar legacy...

Anyone out there know anything this new player or the band Firewind?

Sorry for the off topic...

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jcmjmp

its about time.

Zakk's been playing the same riffs and solos over and over again. To me, he should have been fired after the No More Tears tour. That was Zakk's pinnacle. everything is downhill from there.

He's become one of the most boring guitarists out there with absolutely no imagination.

ironlung40

Its easy to make statements like that, especially when you don't have the credentials as someone like Zakk, but it has to be hard to keep reinventing the wheel over and over especially when your music is bound to a specific genre like Zakk and Ozzy. With that being said, I also agree with you too. His riffage and solos are strikingly the same a lot, but so is Angus' and look at their steadfast committment to their style and their continued success.

this wouldn't be the 1st time Ozzy has been dissatisfied and changed things up. Back in the Sabbath days when they toured with Van Halen he said that basically said the VH played circle around them with the high energy show, etc. and that they were always stoned out. It was long after that he was hairspray and makeup. I wonder what has triggered his most recent reaction?

Anyway, they've both made more money than I could ever count. So, hopefully he is just wanting to change for his own creative sake.

willwallner

This happened a few months ago,

I love Zakk Wylde, I think his best albums were No More Tears and Pride and Glory, The first Ozzy album he did No rest For the Wicked is really amazing and he was only 19. Now his style has changed a lot to fit with BLS and I understand that the new Ozzy album sounds a bit like BLS. However, why did Ozzy replace Zakk with a guy that plays exactly like Zakk? Listen to the GusG with Ozzy and you'll hear the guy is a Zakk clone. I used to really like Ozzy but its hard to respect a guy who re-recorded his first two albums so he wouldn't have to pay the original musicians royalties and someone who basically whored himself out to reality television just to make money. He also recently sued Tony Iommi so he can't use the name Black Sabbath. Its not even the first time he fired Zakk, he fired him back in 95 cos Axl asked him to join GNR and Ozzy got jealous.

If anyone wants to really know about Ozzy read Rudy Sarzos book Off the Rails. Sorry for going off at Ozzy, I love his music but as a person I don't think hes that great of a guy.

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wkcchampion

and he's ugly too lol!

Adrian R

Dude..

Wow..always unbelieveable how opinions differ...I don't think anything on ANY Ozzy album is boing or unimaginative. Zakk did allot of GREAT stuff with Ozzy and his tone, although not my favorite, was VERY unique...

I remember back in the day in Jr. high or early HS when the average moron in school thought that the talentless band KISS..was better then the musical divintiy of RUSH!

I remember being in big debates then on that very subject and the tender age of 12! This shit never ends...the insanity that is...

wkcchampion

and... this thread shouldn't be put in another section?
It's off-topic, it doesn't regard any amp

prolife

"He also recently sued Tony Iommi so he can't use the name Black Sabbath."

afaik the band called "earth" chose the new name from the film poster of the film "black sabbath." how does oz get credit for the name? i thought it was geezers idea to change the name? odd!

superimposedmedia

Actually, I believe it was the "No More Tours Tour" Phenomenal show! Zakk played this 20 - 30 minute guitar solo that was GAHHHHHHHHHHH!

Out of all the guitarists, I like Jake E Lee with Ozzy the most.

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American Viking

ozzy is still making records? jesus christ...

I like ZW, but I've never cared for BLS. I don't really know any Ozzy stuff after No More Tears and Ozmosis except for the Dog the Bounty Hunter theme. I liked every album from Ozzy up until then and I liked all the guitar players.

If dude doesn't want all the albums sounding the same then why doesn't he get some more writers in. Lemmy Kilmister and one of the dudes from Alice in Chains pretty much wrote most of the No More Tears material with Zakk anyway.

On a side note, I saw Heaven and Hell over the summer before last and I fell asleep. That band sucks, I'm glad they can't tarnish the Sabbath name further and aren't allowed to play Sabbath songs. It is so boring, I think people are just excited that Dio is on stage with the boys because other than that sole attraction it's complete nonsense.

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American Viking

He was the one that seemed to want to experiment the most. I think Jake E. Lee was the most under rated. Not many people can fake their way through Shot in the Dark, but many try.

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LesBalls

Zakk is the man. He has created a legacy with Ozzy that has influenced countless guitarists in terms of tone, technique, and attitude. Zakk's work with Ozzy will live forever.

HOWEVER....Gus G is a motherfucking badass guitar player

He is from Greece and his band Firewind has been around for a while.

LesBalls

Zakk also helped everyone make tons of money selling their JCM 800's on ebay. And their early 80's Les Paul Customs which NOBODY gave a shit about until Zakk came along.

So, Zakk, thanks for the memories and thanks for over inflating the used market.

j/k ... love ya Zakk

superimposedmedia

No doubt! I agree though, all of the guitarists that have played for Ozzy are truly talented. I'm not really into BLS though. My friend had one of the newer CDs and it just wasn't my style. It was creative and did not sound like Ozzy in the least. Maybe I didn't listen to it enough but no, nothing like it.

From what I read, Zakk is undergoing some medical treatment. I'm sure he has more to worry about than Ozzy. When he gets good and recovered, he'll come out swinging!

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jcmjmp

Ummm... uhhh... The Les Paul custom thing was Randy Rhoads. Zakk copied that from Randy but changed it around with EMGs and the bullseye.

jcmjmp

You're gonna tell me that you like the song Dreamer? Holy S**t. yeah, opinions and music tastes differ.

Zakk has done some great work until No More Tears. Ozzmosis is not a Zakk album, even though its officially him playing on it (Little man is def. Steve Vai even though the credits don't show it). Zakk was not happy with that album because he was only brought it to play the parts due to contractual obligations. Ozzy hired Joe Holmes to replace Zakk for the tour. After Ozzmosis, Ozzy took a major dive with Zakk. Perry Mason was probably Zakk's last good solo and song with Ozzy.

I really like No Rest For The Wicked. Excellent album with great tunes like Miracle man, Fire in the Sky, Bloodbath in Paradise. The entire No More Tears album is good. Zakk's legacy is in those two albums.

Jake E Less and Randy Rhoads are ten times the guitarist Zakk will ever be.

LesBalls

Yes, Randy did play a LP custom, but Zakk's "Holy Grail" Les Paul is a 1981 Les Paul Custom. When Zakk became popular with Ozzy, the '81 custom saw a significant increase in re-sale value due to Zakk. That's all I was saying.

Randy's white LP was a '74 I believe.

jcmjmp

Yup!

Adrian R

**Actually, I do like that song Dreamer, and do a campfire version of that on my acoustic...in fact, I love that whole 'Down to Earth' recording! Com-on man, that opening lyric..."I'm not the kind of person you think I am..ammmm" etc..GREAT TUNE..

Yes, Randy Rhodes was the man..better then Zakk in some ways..mainly due to his incredible grasp of melody and harmony...and extremely influential...but then so has Zakk been in his own way.. Jake was kick-ass too, but what I understand was a total drunk..and I have no freakin' patience for losers who can't handle their alcohol! I love my German brew...and so does Zakk..but it never gets in the way of music..

So there is more to being a guitar player then just having incredible talent...there is also the pragmatical thing, especially in a band scenario..

Zakk BLOWS Jake away in that aspect!

Oh, and lastly, people can say all that bad things they want about Ozzy..but he doesn't do anything that most other rich assholes do....and besides if it wasn't for him, and of course 'a few' others..most metal/hard rock players would be thinkin 'tip-toe through the tulips' was heavy! He, he

LesBalls

Dreamer is a great song!!!!! I always liked Jake E Lee a little more than Zakk, but that's just me. Zakk's playing on No Rest For The Wicked and No More Tears was incredible.

Anybody ever heard the Just Say Ozzy live EP with Zakk? The live version of Shot In The Dark on there is a lot better than the version on Ultimate Sin.

But, I still love you Jake!!! Badlands baby!!!!

jcmjmp

No way. Have a look at this.


Great performance and awesome take on an already great solo. No one has been able to play Randy's solos like Jake and be able to make it their own IMO.

Personally, I'd rather see Jake on stage than Zakk spitting in the air every 5 mins.

MartyStrat54

Well if you take a 900 and turn it upside down, it becomes a 600. Does this mean it is now a 60 watt amp and is the circuitry the same as a TSL60?

Oh, I'm sorry. We're not talking amps here. To be blunt, I was a Randy fan and after the accident and how it went down, I sort of put the blame on the entire Ozzy organization, because quite frankly their partying ways did play into Randy's death. So...I quit paying much attention to Ozzy and except for a few tunes that made it on rock FM, I had for the most part abandoned the whole Ozzy thing. I don't look at him like most. I don't put him up on a pedestal and worship him. I felt he physically thrashed himself and then had the balls to get on stage and perform all coked up. Some bands could party and play stoned. Not Ozzy. Ozzy reminded me of Elvis during his Vegas days...missing parts, not coming in after the bridge, leaving out critical phrases. Oh well, some people like spending $45 for stuff like this.

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jcmjmp

Although you can't blame Ozzy directly, I agree with you Marty, Ozzy & his organization's partying ways definitely had a huge role to play in Randy's death.

Kinda weird that a guy like Zakk Wylde is a guitar hero and household name (almost) when you think that George Lynch, John Sykes and countless others could play circles around him and are more creative.

MartyStrat54

Living in Phoenix all during the 80's I saw a lot first hand. It was common knowledge that there was no love lost between Don Dokken and George Lynch. In Phoenix, all the hot bar girls didn't like Dokken (the band). To pop and candy sounding. Look how George broke out with Lynch Mob? I really liked that.

Well, I'm glad we can agree of something. Thanks.

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Bobbo

Thank God he cut Zakk loose ... If I heard that same damned pinch harmonic over and over in another song ... I was gonna go bonkers !!!!!!!!!!!!

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jcmjmp

I think that each song idea starts with a pinch harmonic with Zakk.

luekemeyer

Talentless KISS? Sure.. How many songs have your created that millions of people like? Not everybody has to shred the necks to sound good.

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That dude was absofuckinglutely incredible live...i heard he was one of Randy's students....Fucking jaw dropping and precise as hell.

Zakk was great But Randy he was not (he was before Ozzy...if i cant find the vid of him at 18 i'll post it) great back then

Randy will always be considered Godly because it was really only him and Eddie back in the day...and while he was the reason i started playing and named my first born son after he was not the best though i used to think he was...(his tone was actually horrid)

Jake was and is incredible...Listen to the first Badlands album.....dude's signal was dry as hell yet he ripped...Just pure cranked Marshall tone and some very tasty phrasing...not many people have the balls to play that dry and pull it off with confidence let alone record that way...(i think there is one spot with a delay in Rumbilin Train...for like 3 bars

Now the Ozzy thing...i feel sorry for that bastard...i used to love reading Sharon's stories about the begining of Ozzy and Randy.(some funny shit)
but she has destroyed Ozzy and has made him look like a chump
$50,000 to play the second stage?..not getting paid but the label paying them...WTF....her Sons a heroin Homo and her Daughter is a no talent Skank like Paris Hilton...i once read her say "i hope he chokes on his own Shit"
Yes Sharon....i hope you do....Sorry for that last rant!

P.S Kiss could not stand up to Neil Pearts farts on their best day...please do not compare Kiss to Rush
while they made have influenced a nation......theater and musicianship are not one and the same

@JCMJMP...you dont even want me to start my praises on John Sykes...I'll never shut up!

MartyStrat54

That's something that I have said from day one. "You don't have to be the most talented band to become incredibly famous."

I've heard ridiculously bad sounding guitar players. I mean horrible, but the crowd thought that they were fantastic. "Oh man, that guy can tear a guitar up."

"Yeah...right.

I will say that KISS made a lot of $$$ as a rock band. (Or should I say Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons?)

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jcmjmp

Yup!

I always take compliments at shows with a grain of salt.