OZZY fires ZAKK?? - Page 2

Buggs.Crosby · 10-26-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

I've heard ridiculously bad sounding guitar players. I mean horrible, but the crowd thought that they were fantastic. "Oh man, that guy can tear a guitar up."

are yoy suggesting Mick Mars and Tom Delong are not Gods?

and I'm sure Geddy,Alex and Neil are quite happy at this point...and to think they canceled the Doug and Bob show!

MartyStrat54 · 10-26-2009, 09:37 PM

I'll let "you" be the judge of that.

hmstrat · 10-26-2009, 10:06 PM

It's a business decision - pure and simple. Ozzy just wanted to shake things up a bit and bring in some YOUNG blood... Face it, Zakk is getting a little long in the tooth... Ozzy needs to do something - his act has gotten a little tired...

As far as Jake E. Lee goes - to me, his absolute best work was with "Badlands" on those occasions when he played that Strat DIRECTLY into a Marshall "Plexi"... With Zero stompboxes on the floor to screw with the signal; i.e., nothing to hide behind...

That guy played guitar like a '53 Buick Dynaflow transmission shifted gears... "Real Smooth"...

155 · 10-26-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LesBalls

Zakk is the man. He has created a legacy with Ozzy that has influenced countless guitarists in terms of tone, technique, and attitude. Zakk's work with Ozzy will live forever.

HOWEVER....Gus G is a motherfucking badass guitar player

He is from Greece and his band Firewind has been around for a while.

YouTube - Firewind feat. Tara Teresa - Breaking The Silence

I hear a fuckin synth, Im out! sorry

American Viking · 10-26-2009, 11:06 PM

Yeah, I tried to stomach it but can't. Firewind sucks.

Just like all those shredder guys, Satch, Yngwie, and countless others, many can shred like a motherfu*ker but can't write a song worth a damn. Johnny and DeeDee Ramone couldn't shred, but they wrote better songs than all those guys ever will.

...shit, i bet that's going to fire up some people, oh well...

nofearfactor · 10-26-2009, 11:07 PM

Old news...move on.

jcmjmp · 10-26-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by American Viking

...shit, i bet that's going to fire up some people, oh well...

Haha! Yngwie, Rhoads, Iommi and Blackmore are among my biggest rock/metal influences. I should mention Lynch and the maiden boys too.

Listen to Disciples of Hell by Yngwie and tell me what you think. If you don't like that, you'll prob. never like anything in that style. Fire And Ice is another great tune by him. I am a Viking (you should like that one, no?)

MajorNut1967 · 10-27-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by prolife

"He also recently sued Tony Iommi so he can't use the name Black Sabbath."

afaik the band called "earth" chose the new name from the film poster of the film "black sabbath." how does oz get credit for the name? i thought it was geezers idea to change the name? odd!

Ozzy's Money Grubbing wife! Was the name "Black Sabbath" incorporated? The Movie Black Sabbath was out way before Earth's name change. Ah who's gives a flying monkey's ass, its always about money.

MajorNut1967 · 10-27-2009, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

I'll let "you" be the judge of that.

LMAO! And thats all I got to say! And who the bloody muck is Mick Mars & Tom Delong

American Viking · 10-27-2009, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jcmjmp

Haha! Yngwie, Rhoads, Iommi and Blackmore are among my biggest rock/metal influences. I should mention Lynch and the maiden boys too.

Listen to Disciples of Hell by Yngwie and tell me what you think. If you don't like that, you'll prob. never like anything in that style. Fire And Ice is another great tune by him. I am a Viking (you should like that one, no?)

Yeah I've heard that stuff, didn't say I didn't like it, I just prefer other stuff. I would never be able to sit through a G3 concert without wanting to throw up is all.

I love RR and Blackmore's styles though. They were / are great songwriters as are the Maiden boys.

Apula Mawanga · 10-27-2009, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by American Viking

Yeah, I tried to stomach it but can't. Firewind sucks.

Just like all those shredder guys, Satch, Yngwie, and countless others, many can shred like a motherfu*ker but can't write a song worth a damn. Johnny and DeeDee Ramone couldn't shred, but they wrote better songs than all those guys ever will.

...shit, i bet that's going to fire up some people, oh well...

I agree, those guys bore me to death. Satriani's terrible tone also gets to me.

However, I have nothing against people like Blackmore (my favourite guitarist) and Smith/Murray, who are technically proficient, but can write excellent songs.

Gus G is shocking. I went on his myspace, listened to his song which was described as showing of "Gus G's excellent riff writing ability", and... it wasn't exactly up to the standard that I expected from someone with such a fancy myspace.

hmstrat · 10-27-2009, 11:27 AM

Sharon can sue Tony Iommi if she wants to, but it's gonna be an exercise in futility; 'cause Iommi has owned the name "Black Sabbath" since 1999:
BLABBERMOUTH.NET - OZZY OSBOURNE: 'The BLACK SABBATH Trademark Should Be Owned By The Four Of Us Equally'

RiverRatt · 10-27-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

I will say that KISS made a lot of $$$ as a rock band. (Or should I say Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons?)

I thought of this thread when I was reading the recent GW issue that got all this started. If you read the KISS story, Paul and Gene have done the same thing Ozzy did - they went back and re-recorded a lot of the old KISS songs with the new line-up (probably the ones they play live) and released them with their "Walmart Exclusive" CD/DVD package. Forget all the women... Gene should have Ace Frehley on the top of his "People I've F_cked" list.

LesBalls · 10-27-2009, 03:43 PM

In all of this Ozzy talk, we're leaving out Brad Gillis! Speak of The Devil!!!

Trick · 10-27-2009, 06:18 PM

Rock on OZZY! I'll trust his judgment when it comes to guitar players! He knows his shit!

MartyStrat54 · 10-27-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Trick

Rock on OZZY! I'll trust his judgment when it comes to guitar players! He knows his shit!

Ahh! Have you seen Ozzy lately? He can't even find the bathroom in his own home. I watched Ozzy a while back on an awards show. I thought he was doing a really good job of singing. That is until the song was in the fade to black mode. Ozzy forgot to utter a couple of more "Yeahs" and the "Yeahs" came over the PA all by themselves. Hmmm! I knew that happened to Ashlee Simpson on SNL. Very embarrassing. You should have seen the look on Ozzy's face.

At some point, it's best to retire. Hard rock is a young man's game. Some guys like Jeff Beck can pull it off. I saw the WHO on that TV special and they sucked.

I do not know what frame of mind Ozzy is in. Maybe one day very soon, he'll fire himself.

woodddj · 10-27-2009, 07:04 PM

people can say all they want about who is the better guitarist. but it wont change a thing. you have to look at the big picture. look at all the great songs that come from zakk, randy, and jake. sure, im a zakk fan and it sucks that he is not with ozzy. but hell i was a big lee fan also, but i didnt cry ,bitch or moan about it. i just look at it as another chapter in the ozzy saga. bring the next one in and let him give it a try.

Adrian R · 10-27-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

Ahh! Have you seen Ozzy lately? He can't even find the bathroom in his own home. I watched Ozzy a while back on an awards show. I thought he was doing a really good job of singing. That is until the song was in the fade to black mode. Ozzy forgot to utter a couple of more "Yeahs" and the "Yeahs" came over the PA all by themselves. Hmmm! I knew that happened to Ashlee Simpson on SNL. Very embarrassing. You should have seen the look on Ozzy's face.

At some point, it's best to retire. Hard rock is a young man's game. Some guys like Jeff Beck can pull it off. I saw the WHO on that TV special and they sucked.

I do not know what frame of mind Ozzy is in. Maybe one day very soon, he'll fire himself.

Anyone can slam Ozzy all they want, and yes, maybe it is time for him to retire, but he probably can still write a good song and THIS is where his greatest talent lies.

I can't think of a single Ozzy song whether it be with BS or on his own that didn't have some kind of redeeming value...His voice, although at times rough, is very expressive and exceedingly original.

Ozzy is and will ALWAYS be the man and deserves his place in the rock and roll hall of fame. Black Sabbath has had unmearsurable influence on modern hard rock and metal as ' just about' every metal riff out there is a variation of the 'other' man Iommi..

Notin' better then sitting back with a few dozen good brews listening to Ozzy...well maybe except some trim of course..

No Ozzy slammin' allowed! That f-ing' blasphemy man!

He has accomplished more then most of us wankers on this board, my ass included, that could EVER f-ing be imagined!

Dallas · 10-27-2009, 07:27 PM

Ok People, stop ripping Zakk, Kiss and everybody else. WE often forget when we start playing guitar that it's not about the "real" talent,(and I think all of these guys are talented in their own way), but about making music and having fun, and you don't NEED tenthousand notes for that.Sometimes a few well placed notes do just fine(solo/Melodie in Detroit rock city for example)
Shit, I suck and still have young kids that tell me after a gig how good I was and that they want to learn to play too. That's what we do, we pass the torch and hope that they run like hell with it.

The fact that we are even talking about these guys shows that they have made a big impression in music history. Some people like them, some don't. But they have ALL influenced us in some way to pic up the guitar and do our own thing, and that's what it's all about.

Steve Morse once wrote an article about this" whose the best guitarrist". As he said, the best at what? Some have great riffs, some have great lead lines and the other is great at vibrato.

Who cares? Just keep the air around you loud and enjoy all of these wonderful songs that these great players have left us.

Who's the best? Me, and you, and you too, and Zakk, and Eddie and Slash, and Angus and and and and and...........

F**k it, I'm gonna go put on some Kiss, or Ozzy or Van Halen, or something and enjoy myself.

C ya

woodddj · 10-27-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas

F**k it, I'm gonna go put on some Kiss, or Ozzy or Van Halen, or something and enjoy myself.

C ya

i hear ya bro. gona go do the same.

Axis · 10-27-2009, 08:31 PM

No matter who he gets they will be like everyone else,
a distant second to Randy Rhoads.

Chadman · 10-28-2009, 11:02 AM

Folks!...I’m a huge Black Sabbath/Dio/Ozzy fan and as much as I have loved ALL of Ozzy’s guitar players! there is one man I have not seen mentioned yet and he only played 4 strings not 6….Mr. Bob Daisley!!!

Now I don’t want to cause any fights, but he was Huge!! part of Blizzard of Oz and Diary of a Madman…He helped Ozzy after Tony Iommi finally hit the wall after “Never say Die” and only jamming with Dio once! Sure Randy was there as well, but lets look past the solos for a minute…not only did Bob write music with Ozzy, but he also became the new Geezer Butler in the sense that he wrote all or most of the lyrics for Ozzy!

If you dig deep like I have over the years! You will see Bob has worked with Ozzy on all the albums up to “No more tears” now lets think about that for a second…what was the last real great Ozzy record? That right folks it was No More fucking Tears!! After that Bob got sick of Ozzy never giving him a slice of the pie after always calling him crying for help, using him as a whore he could just pay off for writing help and said FUCK YOU! you’re an asshole, I’m out!

I truly do believe it’s for that reason why the albums after No More Tears are always talked about making some kind funny look on your face. Bob just knew what worked for Ozzy and all these studio guys he’s used since ’95 just don’t.

richieG · 10-29-2009, 03:39 AM

I like ZW's playing.

The only thing that really annoyed me was his endless use of artificial harmonics in the live youtube clips I have seen.

steelhorse · 10-29-2009, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Adrian R

Anyone can slam Ozzy all they want, and yes, maybe it is time for him to retire, but he probably can still write a good song and THIS is where his greatest talent lies.

I can't think of a single Ozzy song whether it be with BS or on his own that didn't have some kind of redeeming value...His voice, although at times rough, is very expressive and exceedingly original.

Ozzy is and will ALWAYS be the man and deserves his place in the rock and roll hall of fame. Black Sabbath has had unmearsurable influence on modern hard rock and metal as ' just about' every metal riff out there is a variation of the 'other' man Iommi..

Notin' better then sitting back with a few dozen good brews listening to Ozzy...well maybe except some trim of course..

No Ozzy slammin' allowed! That f-ing' blasphemy man!

He has accomplished more then most of us wankers on this board, my ass included, that could EVER f-ing be imagined!

Fucking A brother!

donkost · 10-29-2009, 04:21 AM

I'm just glad I have my copy of "No rest for the wicked" with the original musicians on it. I bought the tape when it came out around '88 and I still listen to the MP3 version which I downloaded around a year ago. Zakk's playing really kicks ass on that album. Now Sharon can convince Ozzy to re-record it and replace Zakk's playing with their latest guitarist. LOL

StootMonster · 10-29-2009, 08:59 AM

I think this probably has a lot to do with (like Ozzy said) His albums sounding a lot like BLS, but also has to do with Zakk's Huge success and Ozzy's waining success. Ozzy hasn't had a hit since ... well, I'm a combat vet and my brain is fried, so i can't remember... I think Perry Mason. But I will say this, I used to be a HUMONGOUS Zakk fan back in the 90's after I heard his work on the No More Tears album. Then when he broke with Ozzy and started up Pride and Glory (me being a down home southern boy) I loved it! Then he broke with them and did Book of Shadows (also a GREAT album full of mostly acoustic stuff) and then BAM! BLS. Total shift in music. I still loved it, but not as much as the Southern Rock/Heavy Metal thing. I read in an article Zakk saying that he likes his new style better because all he has to do is detune his low E down to D and right riffs he can play with one finger. I wasn't sure if that was a joke, but that's what he was doing, and I didn't really care to listen much after that. It's sort of like how Kirk Hammet went from playing great solos to playing lame slide parts and things like that. You know that they are capable of so much more but to listen to what they are doing only frustrates you.

I have, however, listened to some BLS since then. Some of it is pretty good stuff. To say that Zakk is unimaginitive is not quite correct. I'd say Lazy is a good term. He just slipped into this biker identity and now all he has to do is look gruff, play loud and fast, scream a lot and drop the F' Bomb all the time on stage. Oh yeah, and use words like "Brewtal" and "Brewtality". But the man has a world following. SO he can't be doing too much wrong.

Richman1 · 10-29-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

Well if you take a 900 and turn it upside down, it becomes a 600. Does this mean it is now a 60 watt amp and is the circuitry the same as a TSL60?

Oh, I'm sorry. We're not talking amps here. To be blunt, I was a Randy fan and after the accident and how it went down, I sort of put the blame on the entire Ozzy organization, because quite frankly their partying ways did play into Randy's death. So...I quit paying much attention to Ozzy and except for a few tunes that made it on rock FM, I had for the most part abandoned the whole Ozzy thing. I don't look at him like most. I don't put him up on a pedestal and worship him. I felt he physically thrashed himself and then had the balls to get on stage and perform all coked up. Some bands could party and play stoned. Not Ozzy. Ozzy reminded me of Elvis during his Vegas days...missing parts, not coming in after the bridge, leaving out critical phrases. Oh well, some people like spending $45 for stuff like this.

Marty is right on the money here... and I must say that Zakk is an over rated penatonic scale variations player.. oh he's very good at that.. and he's way better than I am.. but wait. we are supposed to be talking about Marshall amps here......

solarburnDSL50 · 10-29-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by hmstrat

It's a business decision - pure and simple. Ozzy just wanted to shake things up a bit and bring in some YOUNG blood... Face it, Zakk is getting a little long in the tooth... Ozzy needs to do something - his act has gotten a little tired...

As far as Jake E. Lee goes - to me, his absolute best work was with "Badlands" on those occasions when he played that Strat DIRECTLY into a Marshall "Plexi"... With Zero stompboxes on the floor to screw with the signal; i.e., nothing to hide behind...

That guy played guitar like a '53 Buick Dynaflow transmission shifted gears... "Real Smooth"...

Fuck'n a right!

Jake's playing in Badlands with that raw Marshall tone that was soooo not polished over by the studio thankfully was plain sex through a guitar & amp. I luved his playing in Badlands.

I do also enjoy Zakk's play'n in the early days before alcohol dooshed the R&R flame in him. There are some good early vids of him playing, even cool acoustic stuff. He had that raw playing pentatonic style I dig too. It was nice and aggressive with tasty phrasing. I listen to him now especially live and even his tone is drowning(chorus)let alone his aggressive more tentative playing. I think its almost night & day difference judging his playing from early and now.

I heard a clip of Gus playing with Ozzy recently and he was hitting the Squeals more than Zakk does. Over done and too much like the original. Gus needs to play like himself.

steelhorse · 10-29-2009, 02:18 PM

Gus G and anyone else forward for that matter are probably nothing more than hired gunslingers.

Zakk was great before he decided to go all viking biker, not shower for weeks and turn his side of the stage into a loogie fest.

That was years ago though imo (when I thought he was great), and although I do like parts of Black Rain, I immediately thought "BLS" when I heard it for the first time.

Speaking of BLS, if he would actually go into the studio with his band and allow input from them he might surprise himself and even sell more records, but he treats his guys like hired hands and so the music reflects that.

Have any of you heard him with Derek Sherinian, like from Blood of the Snake?

I like him better on there than anything BLS has had to offer lately.

The thing is Zakk is actually far more talented than he lets on. He can play classical and all the rest of it, he's a talented overall musician with great keyboard chops and knows his way around the piano and guitar like nobody's business, but he's too caught up in the BLS, black vest, biker image thing to broaden BLS' horizons.

imo

solarburnDSL50 · 10-29-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by steelhorse

Gus G and anyone else forward for that matter are probably nothing more than hired gunslingers.

Zakk was great before he decided to go all viking biker, not shower for weeks and turn his side of the stage into a loogie fest.

That was years ago though imo (when I thought he was great), and although I do like parts of Black Rain, I immediately thought "BLS" when I heard it for the first time.

Speaking of BLS, if he would actually go into the studio with his band and allow input from them he might surprise himself and even sell more records, but he treats his guys like hired hands and so the music reflects that.

Have any of you heard him with Derek Sherinian, like from Blood of the Snake?

I like him better on there than anything BLS has had to offer lately.

The thing is Zakk is actually far more talented than he lets on. He can play classical and all the rest of it, he's a talented overall musician with great keyboard chops and knows his way around the piano and guitar like nobody's business, but he's too caught up in the BLS, black vest, biker image thing to broaden BLS' horizons.

imo

I know and it bums me out the way he chose to go. I'll always like an admire his play'n especially from them early days. You can watch those early early vids and see how much fun he's having and talented he was. Some of that acoustic stuff I didn't even know he did and he did it well. Sang better then too. He could have it all back but he's got to let go of one thing for another IMO. I don't even check him out anymore. He repulses me with how he acts now and his play'n means little for me now. It use to light me up and I mean that. It kicked ass.

I haven't heard Blood of the Snake...

He's another guitar player that made me love the Marshall sound. LP too! I wish him all the best. I know what I think makes no difference but I think it anyways...

Thanx Zakk for the early kick ass R&R when you slew Dragons with a LP & a Marshall!

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Dallas Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Augsburg, Germany Posts: 27	Re: OZZY fires ZAKK?? Ok People, stop ripping Zakk, Kiss and everybody else. WE often forget when we start playing guitar that it's not about the "real" talent,(and I think all of these guys are talented in their own way), but about making music and having fun, and you don't NEED tenthousand notes for that.Sometimes a few well placed notes do just fine(solo/Melodie in Detroit rock city for example) Shit, I suck and still have young kids that tell me after a gig how good I was and that they want to learn to play too. That's what we do, we pass the torch and hope that they run like hell with it. The fact that we are even talking about these guys shows that they have made a big impression in music history. Some people like them, some don't. But they have ALL influenced us in some way to pic up the guitar and do our own thing, and that's what it's all about. Steve Morse once wrote an article about this" whose the best guitarrist". As he said, the best at what? Some have great riffs, some have great lead lines and the other is great at vibrato. Who cares? Just keep the air around you loud and enjoy all of these wonderful songs that these great players have left us. Who's the best? Me, and you, and you too, and Zakk, and Eddie and Slash, and Angus and and and and and........... Fk it, I'm gonna go put on some Kiss, or Ozzy or Van Halen, or something and enjoy myself. C ya __________________ Epiphone Les Paul Standard 3x Kramer 220 Ibanez7321 Ovation Celebrity Marshall AS100D, Marshall Mode Four, Marshall JVM410H**, MF400A Cab, 1960 A Cab KORG DT10,MXR EVH Phase 90,EVH Flanger,KFK Q Zone, KFK EQ, Dunlop Crybaby, MXR SmartGate, MXR Carbon Copy, MXR Chorus

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Chadman Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 93	Re: OZZY fires ZAKK?? Folks!...I’m a huge Black Sabbath/Dio/Ozzy fan and as much as I have loved ALL of Ozzy’s guitar players! there is one man I have not seen mentioned yet and he only played 4 strings not 6….Mr. Bob Daisley!!! Now I don’t want to cause any fights, but he was Huge!! part of Blizzard of Oz and Diary of a Madman…He helped Ozzy after Tony Iommi finally hit the wall after “Never say Die” and only jamming with Dio once! Sure Randy was there as well, but lets look past the solos for a minute…not only did Bob write music with Ozzy, but he also became the new Geezer Butler in the sense that he wrote all or most of the lyrics for Ozzy! If you dig deep like I have over the years! You will see Bob has worked with Ozzy on all the albums up to “No more tears” now lets think about that for a second…what was the last real great Ozzy record? That right folks it was No More fucking Tears!! After that Bob got sick of Ozzy never giving him a slice of the pie after always calling him crying for help, using him as a whore he could just pay off for writing help and said FUCK YOU! you’re an asshole, I’m out! I truly do believe it’s for that reason why the albums after No More Tears are always talked about making some kind funny look on your face. Bob just knew what worked for Ozzy and all these studio guys he’s used since ’95 just don’t.

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richieG Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 34	Re: OZZY fires ZAKK?? I like ZW's playing. The only thing that really annoyed me was his endless use of artificial harmonics in the live youtube clips I have seen. __________________ JCM Slash Head 6100 30th Anniversary Head JCM 800 2205 50 Watt Head JCM 900 2502 50 Watt Combo 3 marshall Quads and a marshall 1x12 Plus a pile of other amps guitars pedals pa crap etc

10-29-2009, 04:21 AM	#55 (permalink)
donkost Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 64	Re: OZZY fires ZAKK?? I'm just glad I have my copy of "No rest for the wicked" with the original musicians on it. I bought the tape when it came out around '88 and I still listen to the MP3 version which I downloaded around a year ago. Zakk's playing really kicks ass on that album. Now Sharon can convince Ozzy to re-record it and replace Zakk's playing with their latest guitarist. LOL __________________ 2009 Marshall JCM2000 DSL100 w/MC412A cab 1988 Mesa/Boogie Mark III 60W combo w/EV12L 1988 Gibson Les Paul Custom 1998 Peavey Wolfgang Special 2008 Gretsch G5120 2008 Ibanez RG2550Z 2009 Epiphone Zakk Wylde L.P. (bullseye) Jonesing for a Strat ever since reading "Blackmore tone" thread Pedaltrain PT-Pro w/numerous stomp boxes

10-29-2009, 08:59 AM	#56 (permalink)
StootMonster Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Clover, SC Posts: 38	Re: OZZY fires ZAKK?? I think this probably has a lot to do with (like Ozzy said) His albums sounding a lot like BLS, but also has to do with Zakk's Huge success and Ozzy's waining success. Ozzy hasn't had a hit since ... well, I'm a combat vet and my brain is fried, so i can't remember... I think Perry Mason. But I will say this, I used to be a HUMONGOUS Zakk fan back in the 90's after I heard his work on the No More Tears album. Then when he broke with Ozzy and started up Pride and Glory (me being a down home southern boy) I loved it! Then he broke with them and did Book of Shadows (also a GREAT album full of mostly acoustic stuff) and then BAM! BLS. Total shift in music. I still loved it, but not as much as the Southern Rock/Heavy Metal thing. I read in an article Zakk saying that he likes his new style better because all he has to do is detune his low E down to D and right riffs he can play with one finger. I wasn't sure if that was a joke, but that's what he was doing, and I didn't really care to listen much after that. It's sort of like how Kirk Hammet went from playing great solos to playing lame slide parts and things like that. You know that they are capable of so much more but to listen to what they are doing only frustrates you. I have, however, listened to some BLS since then. Some of it is pretty good stuff. To say that Zakk is unimaginitive is not quite correct. I'd say Lazy is a good term. He just slipped into this biker identity and now all he has to do is look gruff, play loud and fast, scream a lot and drop the F' Bomb all the time on stage. Oh yeah, and use words like "Brewtal" and "Brewtality". But the man has a world following. SO he can't be doing too much wrong.

10-29-2009, 02:18 PM	#59 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,886	Re: OZZY fires ZAKK?? Gus G and anyone else forward for that matter are probably nothing more than hired gunslingers. Zakk was great before he decided to go all viking biker, not shower for weeks and turn his side of the stage into a loogie fest. That was years ago though imo (when I thought he was great), and although I do like parts of Black Rain, I immediately thought "BLS" when I heard it for the first time. Speaking of BLS, if he would actually go into the studio with his band and allow input from them he might surprise himself and even sell more records, but he treats his guys like hired hands and so the music reflects that. Have any of you heard him with Derek Sherinian, like from Blood of the Snake? I like him better on there than anything BLS has had to offer lately. The thing is Zakk is actually far more talented than he lets on. He can play classical and all the rest of it, he's a talented overall musician with great keyboard chops and knows his way around the piano and guitar like nobody's business, but he's too caught up in the BLS, black vest, biker image thing to broaden BLS' horizons. imo __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

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