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Old 10-25-2009, 12:29 PM   #91 (permalink)
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yah , sorry about that , i guess i lost my head there !!!
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I have heard a few people talking about the tuner thing...

and, would putting it in the effects loop affect my tone?
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I have heard a few people talking about the tuner thing...

and, would putting it in the effects loop affect my tone?
Why don't you try it and find out? Your ears won't lie to you, I promise.
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Why don't you try it and find out? Your ears won't lie to you, I promise.
dude, it doesnt affect my tone! pretty good news I guess, but now I have to switch to the clean clean clean clean channel everytime I wanna tune. Its not that bad when distortion is on too!
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dude, it doesnt affect my tone! pretty good news I guess, but now I have to switch to the clean clean clean clean channel everytime I wanna tune. Its not that bad when distortion is on too!
In overdrive mode, there are a lot more harmonics present in the signal that can make some tuners freak out and not know what note you're trying to tune to. You'll get much better performance and much better accuracy from your tuner with a clean input signal.
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In overdrive mode, there are a lot more harmonics present in the signal that can make some tuners freak out and not know what note you're trying to tune to. You'll get much better performance and much better accuracy from your tuner with a clean input signal.
yeah, thats what im doing now and it works perfectly, im happy now lol
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I got the poweramp!

Midi rig complete!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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on the g-major manual it says that I have to connect the midi footswitch to the g-major...but you(wilder amplification) told me that I had to connect it on the preamp right?
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on the g-major manual it says that I have to connect the midi footswitch to the g-major...but you(wilder amplification) told me that I had to connect it on the preamp right?
Yes...the MIDI Out jack on the POD Pro sends the MIDI control signals to the MIDI In on the G-Major.
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another question, im not really getting the OMNI thing, like range 1-16/omni
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This thread is still going????
Amazing.
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dude midi is kinda annoying, but its worth it
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Also my pedal has 3 modes.

1. Standard Mode

This mode is for sending program change messages and control change messages.

you can use this pedals to send any program change messages

2. Control Change Mode

This mode is for sending control change messages

you can use this mode to send the control change messages assigned to the pedals, and enhance the expresiveness of a performance.

you can also store up to five sets, or configurations, of settings for all of the pedals(pedal sitting function)

3. Patch Mode(I think this one is the one I need)

This mode is for transmitting miltiple midi messages already saved to patches

patches are areas of memory in which midi streams are stored; you can save up to 100 patches

And individual patch can gold midi messages containing up to a maximum of approximately 500 bytes.

Using patch mode, you can transmit groups of MIDI messages through one patch, which allows you to switch the settings of multiple devices all at once
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wilder amplification dude! where did you go? I have a few more questions that I cant seem to solve!
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Reading these 4 pages if I was helping you with your rig I would have been pretty stressed out. Wheww. Glad you got it rocking. I'm running 2 different rack rigs for the 2 different bands I'm in and I cant believe how complicated youve made things for your self. No offense,but,it doesnt have to be so complicated to put together a rack rig that sounds good. Its plugnplay basically. Midi just makes things so complicated. I have midi capability in both of my preamp/effects processors but mucking with it over the years has just turned me off to it in favor of simplicity. Once you get your rig up and running and you know your way around it then midi will come in handy for you. But,this is why alot of these older experienced players have suggested that inexperienced players would be better off with a head and cab and a few pedals. Plus,IMO,if you arent playing out professionally then a rack rig is just overkill. It will be an ominous journey into a highly complicated series of tweakings. The tweaking of patches will be endless until you are experienced at it and satisfied with the results.

I have a Digitech GSP1101 preamp/effects processor in one rig and a Fractal AX-FX Ultra preamp/effects processor in my other rig. I dont use midi at all in either rig right now. I have and may again at some point but my expression pedal is put away for now. I'm powering my Digitech rig with a Marshall Dual MonoBloc 100/100 power amp into one Marshall 1960A in stereo or into 2 1960s on mono for larger venues. The Fractal rig I'm running out of the AX-FX into a Marshall 50/50 power amp into 2 Rocktron 112S 1x12 cabs. I just use a simple Digitech FS-300 foot controller to change the patches that I build. Playing metal I dont have that many changes anyways so I only need to build maybe 20 patches total for each bands sound-10 clean w/effects and 10 distorted w/ effects. Thats it. When playing live,depending on the venue, I may send a direct feed via my processors XLRs out to the PA board direct with cab sims on and only use my power amp/cabs for my stage volume.

I have a Sabine tuner in my rack and it doesnt color or suck tone so I run into it before I run into my preamp/effects processor and then I have a single button footswitch hooked up to its mute switch for muting when not running wireless.

As Wilder suggested,I recommend active pickups for a rack rig player.I use EMG 81 active pickups in all of my guitars. Some love em,some dont. For the kind of high gain sterile digital modern metal that I play theyre perfect. Theyre not for players though looking for a warmer more organic tone. I tried the Seymour Duncan Blackouts and didnt care for them.

Hope you get it all worked out. Good luck with it.



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This one is mine

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I been waitin to see some pics of that bad boy. When you get it all worked out youre gonna blow your buddies rigs away. No one will want to jam with you. Lolllll.
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lol, I was getting some killer tones with it today, im still kinda confuzed with the pedal thing tho
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When I plugged it in to my cab, I felt as if I wasnt getting any sound from the top speakers or something???? Is this possible??
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When I plugged it in to my cab, I felt as if I wasnt getting any sound from the top speakers or something???? Is this possible??
For your rig, run the MIDI controller in Standard mode and set the MIDI channel setting to OMNI so that it sends MIDI messages out on all MIDI channels. Then you'll have to map the MIDI in the POD Pro so that when you switch the POD to a certain preset, it tells the G-Major to switch to the preset you want it to be on. Example, if you want the G-Major to switch to preset 3 when you switch the POD to preset 7, you map it in the POD's MIDI mapping settings to make the POD tell the G-Major to switch to that preset when you switch the POD to a certain preset.

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For your rig, run the MIDI controller in Standard mode and set the MIDI channel setting to OMNI so that it sends MIDI messages out on all MIDI channels. Then you'll have to map the MIDI in the POD Pro so that when you switch the POD to a certain preset, it tells the G-Major to switch to the preset you want it to be on. Example, if you want the G-Major to switch to preset 3 when you switch the POD to preset 7, you map it in the POD's MIDI mapping settings to make the POD tell the G-Major to switch to that preset when you switch the POD to a certain preset.

Hope that made sense.
It makes sense now

Do you know what is going on with my cab tho? the top speakers dont seem to be working when Im using it, Like I felt as if All the sound was coming from the bottom speakers. Like the floor was shacking and I could barely hear my guitar. And lets not forget that my tube poweramp was cranked to like 8, and the output of my line 6 was set to like 12 o'clock.
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It makes sense now

Do you know what is going on with my cab tho? the top speakers dont seem to be working when Im using it, Like I felt as if All the sound was coming from the bottom speakers. Like the floor was shacking and I could barely hear my guitar. And lets not forget that my tube poweramp was cranked to like 8, and the output of my line 6 was set to like 12 o'clock.
What kind of cab is this?
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Make sure the switch on the back of the cab is set to Mono mode.
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If you think something is up with the cab you better believe it's time to open her up. If you're going to pump your head full of all this midi programmable multi rack effect stuff then you should learn basic speaker wiring and how to check and maintain the rest of the gear. If you don't own your own multimeter then it's time to go get one. You're going to want to have all this stuff running smoothly so you'll need to know the ins and outs of all your equipment. It will be very obvious if the top two speakers were not running on an angled cab.

Gotta check it fast. You know it's deadly to an amp to run with a mismatched impedance like that.
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Make sure the switch on the back of the cab is set to Mono mode.
will do, it was working fine with the other AVT head tho, I dont know what happened
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Right guys. I'm not trying to be funny, but I've seen things cut into the walls of the Great Pyramids that makes more sense to me. All this midi stuff is mega confusing.

I tried it once using the midi on the 6101. Give up after one afternoon when I found out I was still stuck with the same basic 3 amp sounds, and would still have to add OD/Dist FX if I wanted to change the basic sounds of the 3 channels.

Now I can understand the way it might work with a programmable pre amp, and a programmable FX unit such as carnada has. However, can this not also be achieved by a simple multi fx (IE GT10) etc going straight into the front of the amp, or the loop.
Basically I知 trying to grasp what are the advantages of midi (I知 talking in a live situation) over a multi fx, or some well chosen floor pedals. Also, can we really be true tone hounds if we go for a midi system etc.
I知 not putting midi down in any way at all, just trying to understand what it is痴 all about.
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Musical Instrument Digital Interface - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Midi is not new,and it is also not needed,but it makes things cohesive if done right. Basically it just helps the units being used and fused together via midi to communicate with each other better. Its easier to use though when you understand it,as well as your cabling needs. But its not rocket science. It can be really easy to setup-or really hard. The tutorials of these units these days are getting rather ominous. My Digitech GSP1101 manual is about an inch thick and my Fractal AX-FX Ultras manual is double that. He should be lucky he's only messing with a POD,a Gsystem and a switching unit. I got my feet wet messing with processors and midi switching years ago as my bands sound and tech guy. Then when I started using rack gear along with my heads and cabs I just educated myself on the gear and switching and cabling. Now I'm not only using rack gear exclusively but I have been building and putting together rigs for fellow musicians in my area the last few years and making a few extra bucks. I'm not Bob Bradshaw or David Phillips but I can build a pretty decent rack rig.

He will get it,he's a smart kid ,just inexperienced. It will be like a light bulb coming on at some point when he will get it and have it all figured out.

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Right guys. I'm not trying to be funny, but I've seen things cut into the walls of the Great Pyramids that makes more sense to me. All this midi stuff is mega confusing.

I tried it once using the midi on the 6101. Give up after one afternoon when I found out I was still stuck with the same basic 3 amp sounds, and would still have to add OD/Dist FX if I wanted to change the basic sounds of the 3 channels.

Now I can understand the way it might work with a programmable pre amp, and a programmable FX unit such as carnada has. However, can this not also be achieved by a simple multi fx (IE GT10) etc going straight into the front of the amp, or the loop.
Basically I知 trying to grasp what are the advantages of midi (I知 talking in a live situation) over a multi fx, or some well chosen floor pedals. Also, can we really be true tone hounds if we go for a midi system etc.
I知 not putting midi down in any way at all, just trying to understand what it is痴 all about.
cheers.
The advantage to MIDI is that you can have a badass valve preamp (such as the Marshall JMP-1 or the ADA MP-1) and a multieffects of your choosing (such as the G-Major) and you can switch those multiple devices simultaneously with just one press of one button. If you have a Digitech Whammy pedal, it's even cooler. You can MIDI that and with the press of a button, you can not only switch it on, but you can set it so that it switches on in the exact mode you want it in (i.e. 1 octave down, 2 oct up, etc etc) so you don't have to reach down and manually rotate the mode selector. On top of that, if your MIDI controller has an expression pedal, you now have full on control of the Whammy pedal without it even having to be on the floor!

I'm not into "digital modeled/emulating" overdrive and would much rather keep the dynamics and tone shaping shit (i.e. wah, EQ, overdrive, etc etc) in the analog domain, while using digital for time based effects such as delays & reverbs. So for me MIDI is perfect as I can have a MIDI compatible analog preamp and a digital multieffect unit in the preamp's effects loop.
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NFF/WA,

Thank you both for taking the time to reply. I'm sure that once someone gets the hang of it, it would be a good thing. I just find it hard to get to grips with the thought for the need for so much options. So on one of the Marshall pre amps (I think it's a JMP 1) can several different channel be called up at a touch of a button, or is it the same as the 6101, which is 3? After that, I would still need to adjust the gain/tone etc of the 3 channels if I wanted a different sound, which would seem to be a waste of time having midi etc.
I'm not sure if I am making myself clear with these question...sorry.
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