MIDI help plzz - Page 3

jcmjmp · 10-21-2009, 10:46 AM

Like I said, he should be getting midi help on another forum, like hugeracksinc.com AND he should RTFM. Do your homework first.

there's nothing marshall about this and the midi discussions should be somewhere else, especially since there's interop issues and whatnot.

carnada · 10-21-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilder Amplification

OK...now this is funny. You come onto a Marshall amplifier forum...in the Marshall Amps section...seeking advice on how to work with MIDI of all things...yet you not only seem not to own or use any piece of Marshall gear AND you're going with a Mesa power amp. Too funny.

Just to let ya know...unless you have a cab that can be split stereo like the Marshall 1960 cabs, or 2 independent cabs, you will not be in stereo.

And lest we forget...I'm not saying Luc can't play...I've never heard him so I have no idea. But lest we forget...the rig don't mean shit if the owner can't play for shit. IMHO it takes a skilled player to get a great sound out of minimal gear, and it's much more impressive to me when a player can get a great sound out of just a cranked Super Lead with nothing but the amp, the guitar, and the player, rather than a person who can sound decent with gear that does all the work for him. The whole "rig wars" of "how big is your rig" is nothing more than "penis envy" and means absolutely nothing if the player who owns it either can't figure out how to use it or can't play worth a damn through it. If you can't play no amount of multieffects or gear is going to save you, and can actually work against you.

Don't get me wrong, MIDI and multieffects are great tools and definitely have their place. However, 'tis not the gear that makes the player sound good, it's the player that makes the gear sound good. Just like owning a soldering iron and a DMM doesn't make you an amplifier/gear tech, just because you have a badass rig doesn't make you a pro player...it just means either you or your parents have money.

Also, what good is it to have gear that makes you have to get a masters in rocket science to learn how to use?

well I take my guitar playing and music quiet seriously. I practice quiet a lot everyday, and if I dont practice guitar, that means im practicing xylophone, or timpani, or snare.

And my parents are not rich lol. NOT EVEN! I am the only one in my family that has a job! and I worked all summer to buy my rig. yeh, its kinda sad

carnada · 10-21-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jcmjmp

Like I said, he should be getting midi help on another forum, like hugeracksinc.com AND he should RTFM. Do your homework first.

there's nothing marshall about this and the midi discussions should be somewhere else, especially since there's interop issues and whatnot.

I think you are right...but man wilder amplification guy is soo good at this stuff!!!

Wilder Amplification · 10-21-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by carnada

well I take my guitar playing and music quiet seriously. I practice quiet a lot everyday, and if I dont practice guitar, that means im practicing xylophone, or timpani, or snare.

And my parents are not rich lol. NOT EVEN! I am the only one in my family that has a job! and I worked all summer to buy my rig. yeh, its kinda sad

Actually there's nothing sad about it. You worked for it, you earned it, and for that reason alone you'll appreciate it so much more. That gives you one up on the kids whose parents buy them everything.

I had a friend throughout high school that had all the coolest gear...'71 Super Lead, valve overdrive, 71 slant cab, ESP Horizon guitar...the works. I was so jealous, but not a dime of the money spent on that rig came from his parents. He had to work his ass off for it.

'Tis always better to work for what you want rather than expect your parents to pay for it all. That way you're not in debt to anyone and you appreciate your stuff a lot more when you have to work for it.

BTW here's a music video done by guys your age...nothing but pure all valve Marshall tone.

You Tube

Bret138 · 10-21-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilder Amplification

BTW here's a music video done by guys your age...nothing but pure all valve Marshall tone.

YouTube - AIRBOURNE- RUNNIN WILD

seems like last time i listened to that song it was called "You've got another thing coming" by some band called judas priest...

...maybe thats just me

Wilder Amplification · 10-21-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bret138

seems like last time i listened to that song it was called "You've got another thing coming" by some band called judas priest...

...maybe thats just me

LOL well that was You Got Another Thing Coming, performed by AC/DC, renamed after another Judas Priest song.

carnada · 10-21-2009, 10:25 PM

today I havent played my rig.

I JUST FUCKING LOVE THE SOUND OF THAT LINE 6 THING!!!!

I hope it sounds good with the cab.

HOT TUBES 70 · 10-21-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilder Amplification

LOL well that was You Got Another Thing Coming, performed by AC/DC, renamed after another Judas Priest song.

anyway you slice it , they still have great tone !!!!

Wilder Amplification · 10-21-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

anyway you slice it , they still have great tone !!!!

That they do...and LOTS of Marshall stacks.

carnada · 10-22-2009, 12:26 AM

ahhhh I wanna play my rig so bad!!!! but its 12:27 in the morning and I still have to study for a math test!!

HOT TUBES 70 · 10-22-2009, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by carnada

ahhhh I wanna play my rig so bad!!!! but its 12:27 in the morning and I still have to study for a math test!!

Luc !! you better do your math !!
get out of school , get a great job , AND BUY EVEN COOLER GEAR !!

trust me , i know how you feel , i'm looking at my head & cab as we speak !!!

carnada · 10-22-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

Luc !! you better do your math !!
get out of school , get a great job , AND BUY EVEN COOLER GEAR !!

trust me , i know how you feel , i'm looking at my head & cab as we speak !!!

ahh man I was so unprepared for that fucking test. BUT LUCKELY today we had a half day and im gonna get to study in a bit LOL!

carnada · 10-22-2009, 06:03 PM

GUYS

When I plug in my guitar through the tuner, and then it goes to the back of the preamp, I notice I big difference in tone, like if the tuner is stealing my distortion

what should I do? use smaller cables or something?

HOT TUBES 70 · 10-22-2009, 07:18 PM

tuners are part of the whole tone sucking thing , DO NOT put your tuner in the signal
chain , get an A/B box and put it on the other side . but it all depends
on what tuner you have etc. depends on the buffer etc. !

carnada · 10-22-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

tuners are part of the whole tone sucking thing , DO NOT put your tuner in the signal
chain , get an A/B box and put it on the other side . but it all depends
on what tuner you have etc. depends on the buffer etc. !

ab boxes are too complicated

is there any other option?? maybe a shorter cable?

Wilder Amplification · 10-22-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by carnada

ab boxes are too complicated

is there any other option?? maybe a shorter cable?

WTF!? You're determined to learn MIDI yet A/B boxes are too complicated?

My recommendation would be active pickups. I prefer EMGs over anything.

carnada · 10-22-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilder Amplification

WTF!? You're determined to learn MIDI yet A/B boxes are too complicated?

My recommendation would be active pickups. I prefer EMGs over anything.

Would Hot Rail pickups work?

Im saving to get a fender strat for christmas and im gonna put some hot rails in it to make it look something like this

Wilder Amplification · 10-22-2009, 09:32 PM

Those are still a passive pickup. Passive pickups are subject to input loading and tone sucking due to the fact that they can't supply hardly any current, and any kind of low impedance input will try to draw current from the pickup that it can't supply. Thus it ends up dropping the pickup's output voltage, just like how a starter on a car drops the battery voltage when the charge on the battery is low and it can't supply the current that the starter is demanding.

Active pickups have a built in preamplifier that runs on a 9 volt battery. The preamp's output is a low impedance out, and will isolate the pickup itself, which is internally connected to the preamp input, from the input of the tuner. The preamp can supply current to a low impedance load that draws the current from it, which minimizes the loading.

jcmjmp · 10-22-2009, 09:34 PM

Hot Rails are great pickups.

carnada · 10-22-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jcmjmp

Hot Rails are great pickups.

I know man, they give you such a nice sound. Its hard to explain the sound tho

Well I'm pretty sure once I get a power amp and I hook it up with the cab, my signal is gonna be a little more distorted making the tone difference unnoticeable. Plus when you play loud you get tons of feedback that make your notes last longer right?

Wilder Amplification · 10-22-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jcmjmp

Hot Rails are great pickups.

I never said they weren't. I just simply stated that they're still a passive pickup and are still subject to low impedance loading, which is the problem that the OP is having with his tuner.

The OP stated that he didn't want to use an AB pedal and asked for another alternative, and I suggested active pickups, which aren't subject to loading like a passive pickup is, which makes it a suitable alternative.

carnada · 10-24-2009, 03:51 PM

my friend told me that I can get a looper rack thing, and put the tuner in the looper, something like that

Buggs.Crosby · 10-24-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by carnada

my friend told me that I can get a looper rack thing, and put the tuner in the looper, something like that

Or you can save your money and only plug into the Tuner when you need it

Wilder Amplification · 10-24-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by carnada

my friend told me that I can get a looper rack thing, and put the tuner in the looper, something like that

Problem with putting the tuner in the loop is that you have to switch to a clean setting before you can use the tuner since the overdrive is BEFORE the loop.

carnada · 10-24-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilder Amplification

Problem with putting the tuner in the loop is that you have to switch to a clean setting before you can use the tuner since the overdrive is BEFORE the loop.

but thats not that big of a deal, is it?

Wilder Amplification · 10-24-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by carnada

but thats not that big of a deal, is it?

It's about as big of a deal as running an AB selector switch box.

jcmjmp · 10-24-2009, 05:28 PM

Your G-Major already has a tuner. Why don't you just use that?

Your Korg tuner should have a bypass output as well.

HOT TUBES 70 · 10-24-2009, 08:35 PM

the only problem with that is you will have to turn your head around to look at your
rack , and and at times your rack gets put in odd location , a a/b box on the floor is about as simple as it gets , if you get a fancy A/B box with a " C " you can also use it
as a loop for other pedals etc.

Wilder Amplification · 10-24-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

if you get a fancy A/B box with a " C " you can also use it
as a loop for other pedals etc.

Dude, don't try to overcomplicate things.

*sarcasm*

carnada · 10-25-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jcmjmp

Your G-Major already has a tuner. Why don't you just use that?

Your Korg tuner should have a bypass output as well.

I bought the tuner just to fill my rack spaces lol, plus it looks damn fucking cool, and it tunes real well. But I must say I always end up checking the tuning with my ears. I JUST CANT TRUST TECHNOLOGY!

AND it doesnt have a bypass output

Im confuzed now!

10-21-2009, 10:46 AM	#61 (permalink)
jcmjmp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,345	Re: MIDI help plzz Like I said, he should be getting midi help on another forum, like hugeracksinc.com AND he should RTFM. Do your homework first. there's nothing marshall about this and the midi discussions should be somewhere else, especially since there's interop issues and whatnot.

10-21-2009, 10:25 PM	#67 (permalink)
carnada Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Posts: 662	Re: MIDI help plzz today I havent played my rig. I JUST FUCKING LOVE THE SOUND OF THAT LINE 6 THING!!!! I hope it sounds good with the cab.

10-22-2009, 12:26 AM	#70 (permalink)
carnada Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Posts: 662	Re: MIDI help plzz ahhhh I wanna play my rig so bad!!!! but its 12:27 in the morning and I still have to study for a math test!!

10-22-2009, 06:03 PM	#73 (permalink)
carnada Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Posts: 662	Re: MIDI help plzz GUYS When I plug in my guitar through the tuner, and then it goes to the back of the preamp, I notice I big difference in tone, like if the tuner is stealing my distortion what should I do? use smaller cables or something?

10-22-2009, 07:18 PM	#74 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 1,675	Re: MIDI help plzz tuners are part of the whole tone sucking thing , DO NOT put your tuner in the signal chain , get an A/B box and put it on the other side . but it all depends on what tuner you have etc. depends on the buffer etc. ! __________________ MARSHALL 6100LM MARSHALL 1960A W/-G12H 30's CUSTOM BUILT 2X12 W/-V30's "MARSHALL" - only the best will do !

10-22-2009, 09:34 PM	#79 (permalink)
jcmjmp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,345	Re: MIDI help plzz Hot Rails are great pickups.

10-24-2009, 03:51 PM	#82 (permalink)
carnada Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Posts: 662	Re: MIDI help plzz my friend told me that I can get a looper rack thing, and put the tuner in the looper, something like that

10-24-2009, 05:28 PM	#87 (permalink)
jcmjmp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,345	Re: MIDI help plzz Your G-Major already has a tuner. Why don't you just use that? Your Korg tuner should have a bypass output as well.

10-24-2009, 08:35 PM	#88 (permalink)
HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 1,675	Re: MIDI help plzz the only problem with that is you will have to turn your head around to look at your rack , and and at times your rack gets put in odd location , a a/b box on the floor is about as simple as it gets , if you get a fancy A/B box with a " C " you can also use it as a loop for other pedals etc. __________________ MARSHALL 6100LM MARSHALL 1960A W/-G12H 30's CUSTOM BUILT 2X12 W/-V30's "MARSHALL" - only the best will do !

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