best marshall for extreme metal?

wes225 · 03-19-2008, 12:01 PM

yeah hi, im just wondering if theres a good marshall for metal? i mostly play death metal . so i need lots of gain and all that. but i dont wanna be limited to that. id like an amp that can the death but do blues, thrash metal, etc...

so is there a marshall that has the Death tone ?

***Adwex*** · 03-19-2008, 01:53 PM

With most Marshalls, you'll probably want a pedal to get you to Death-land.

What about the Kerry King model?

wes225 · 03-19-2008, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adwex

With most Marshalls, you'll probably want a pedal to get you to Death-land.

What about the Kerry King model?

Nooooo. im not that rich. i only need something for small gigs (like maybe 100 people) and bedroom use

id like to stay under 500$

would a Tube screamer get me enough gain boost for deathland?

***Adwex*** · 03-19-2008, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wes225

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would a Tube screamer get me enough gain boost for deathland?

It might, but there are lots of other distortion pedals out there that might be more your cup o' tea.

kdickinson · 03-19-2008, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wes225

Nooooo. im not that rich. i only need something for small gigs (like maybe 100 people) and bedroom use

id like to stay under 500$

would a Tube screamer get me enough gain boost for deathland?

Too bad, I have the KK signature and its exactly the sound I think you're looking for. Extreme Metal, thats what I was looking for too.

leadfootrob · 02-23-2009, 08:57 PM

I'm still waiting on my 2203KK (just bought it!)

..and my band plays classic 70s rock... Lynyrd Skynyrd etc..

American Viking · 02-23-2009, 09:32 PM

i use a 1983 2203 in a black metal band... use a few pedals.

crossroadsnyc · 02-23-2009, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wes225

Nooooo. im not that rich. i only need something for small gigs (like maybe 100 people) and bedroom use

id like to stay under 500$

would a Tube screamer get me enough gain boost for deathland?

With that budget, you'll be limited to something along the lines of the MG series. A tubescreamer, while it works well with an already overdriven Marshall tube amp, would not achieve your desired results on the MG, or in a bedroom setting. There are a number of good pedals that are for that type of heavily distorted tone...just need to play a few to see what catches your ear.

MonstersOfTheMidway · 02-24-2009, 12:33 AM

Crossroads has some ideas. I use the JVM410H and it is absolutely nasty. The gain is ferocious. I think that JVM410H would surely get you good tones for death metal. But if you're on a budget, I'd also say an MG is a good choice. You also might way to look into some used AVT. Happy hunting.

dmnall · 02-24-2009, 12:47 AM

I would say with an MXR 108 *10 Band EQ*, and I am still looking for a pedal *chances are a modded Boss SD1 might be what I am looking at through Hot Tubes 70 on the forums, should get me the Death/Black Metal tone through a JCM 900 100 watt 2100 MK3 High Gain amp. If you keep checking Craigslist and even ebay, you should be able to find a JCM 900 which you can find in the 500 - 750 range! Also look for a JCM 900 SL-X amp as I have heard nothing but good about these amps! I am getting close to Acid Bath tones with my MK3 2100 with just an mxr 10 band eq! Or I might get another mxr 108 just to boost the gain even more! The JCM 800s are good amps but the 900s are one of my favorites!

Cheers,
Charlie

mercilessdeath86 · 02-24-2009, 01:14 AM

my 6100LM cranked on the lead channel is TOTAL DEATH. Fuck pedals

HOT TUBES 70 · 02-24-2009, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercilessdeath86

my 6100LM cranked on the lead channel is TOTAL DEATH. Fuck pedals

yes !!!! i have stated this a few times that the 3rd channel on the
6100LM is pure bad ass metal , thick meaty and fuckin killer !!!!

and the best part , no pedals just pure mashall tone !

this amp has been out of production for over 10 years now
and sill is a relivant rock/metal amp , it covers all the bases
in one amp !

American Viking · 02-24-2009, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wes225

so is there a marshall that has the Death tone ?

if you mean Death, the band then that tone would be a Marshall Valvestate 8100. That's what Schuldiner used on pretty much everything from Human to Symbolic and more...

American Viking · 02-24-2009, 03:23 PM

and a pedal or two for the leads...

lemansfanatic · 02-24-2009, 05:10 PM

Well he's looking for versatility too, death metal to blues is a bit of a stretch without multiple channels or pedals. I tried to install high gain tubes to get metal sound and got the metal, lost the blues. If i had to do it all over again, I'd go for the best clean to crunchy Marshall tone I could get with the amp, then when I want the extra mega gain just tap the pedal. Its hard to get the best of both worlds with the same set of tubes without spending big $ on trying out different pre-amp tube combinations.

psphill27 · 02-24-2009, 05:25 PM

If I were going extreme metal with a Marshall right now...I would get a JCM 900 SL-X (50 watt so I could crank it and drive it more) and back it up with a MXR 10-band EQ and throw in an MXR Dimeback distortion to get insane gain tones....if I needed it.

rockinr0ll · 02-24-2009, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wes225

Nooooo. im not that rich. i only need something for small gigs (like maybe 100 people) and bedroom use

id like to stay under 500$

would a Tube screamer get me enough gain boost for deathland?

Well that price you can only get the mg because they don't sell the avts anymore. Maybe you should wait awhile on the Marshall and see if they come out with a new Marshall product to replace the avt series. I have a feeling something good is about to emerge. That being said you have the option of getting a used Marshall (like 600,artist, or any old valvstate).

Considering I have avt and if that was stolen I would either try to buy one back cheap for like 250 (bassically you can find them for a low price) or I would look into Sovtek which is a full tube amp.

Of course in a perfect world I would buy a Kerry King or a DSL. That's bassically it though with me.

The Marshall I would suggest are the AVT and the old school heads....

sojatriani · 02-24-2009, 06:48 PM

The very best Marshall for metal is the Mode Four, System of a Down uses them for a reference point. They are solid state so the get real dirty, in a good way, and they're 350 watts. My Triple XXX is the absolute best metal amp I have ever heard, but it ain't a Marshall :-))

rockinr0ll · 02-24-2009, 06:49 PM

Are they really that much better then the avt because I was watching a video on them and tbh I wasn't that impressed.

sojatriani · 02-24-2009, 06:54 PM

The AVT is no comparison to the Mode Four for metal, I don't care for the Mode Four at all, but my buddy had one for a few years and it was scary.....he plays that Black Metal stuff....the AVT is more tame and versatile. The Triple XXX is the KING of metal, it is too insane with the gain on 6, much less 10.

WrenchDevil6 · 02-24-2009, 06:54 PM

My brother's XXX is insanely heavy, and on occasion, I get jealous. He's running it through a shitty Hartke cab to boot, and his tone is sick.

I'll do my penance for my blasphemy later.

axl2 · 02-24-2009, 08:02 PM

There are lots of different tones even for metal. Get any solid Marshall amp that has a good amount of gain. Any of the JCM's and boost the hell out of it with a pedal, maybe get an EQ too boost the thump if needed.

coldsteal2 · 02-24-2009, 08:38 PM

I would think a Moded amp would be the
best Marshall for that. FJA has a mod for a
Vintage Modern that is right up your ally
They do metal mods for most Marshalls, the FJA Mod guy
is even a member here, i wouldnt mind this mod myself

check this out

YouTube - FJA modded Marshall Vintage Modern Xtreme metal 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeelektEOMI

dmnall · 02-25-2009, 01:49 AM

Well with a pedal and eq the jcm 900 2100 mk3 rocks for a metal amp, however, my friend and guitar teacher, uses a 95 Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Solo amp and that has some gain that makes even my jcm 900 seem week but considering he was the former guitarist for Devil Driver *he started dd and quit to do his own thing*! I did get to play through it and his randall, the mb rocks just pure metal..

Charlie

chetbango · 02-26-2009, 12:20 PM

Dear lord, do not get an MG. Get used and save some more dough and you can get the models that people are recommending like the SL-X or KK model.

American Viking · 02-26-2009, 10:47 PM

the whole line of MG series is terrible... stay far away...

Bucknasty · 02-27-2009, 02:18 AM

Play through a metal muff pedal. I live by that thing. It fuckin rocks!!!!

WrenchDevil6 · 02-27-2009, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by American Viking

the whole line of MG series is terrible... stay far away...

I can't entirely agree... When my son gets up in the morning and wants to rock out some Iron Man on his Kerry King V before he heads off to Kindergarten, all he has to do is throw the switch on his MG250DFX and rip. No worries about tubes warming and I don't have to interrupt making his breakfast to make sure he's doing everything correctly.

I got him a Randall 1X12 of some model when he got his guitar for his birthday, but I couldn't stand to look at it. Having my son plugged into something that didn't say Marshall on it made me queasy and uncomfortable.

They have their purposes.

Vintager12 · 02-27-2009, 08:56 AM

If you need a good metal amp in that buget go for H&K or the MG. Maybe line 6 can help you too...
Or the Kerry King sig. but you cant buy that.

Riffraff · 02-27-2009, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coldsteal2

I would think a Moded amp would be the
best Marshall for that. FJA has a mod for a
Vintage Modern that is right up your ally
They do metal mods for most Marshalls, the FJA Mod guy
is even a member here, i wouldnt mind this mod myself

check this out

YouTube - FJA modded Marshall Vintage Modern Xtreme metal 3

YouTube - FJA modded Marshall Vintage Modern Xtreme metal 1

Whoa......that is badass!!!

03-19-2008, 12:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
wes225 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2	best marshall for extreme metal? yeah hi, im just wondering if theres a good marshall for metal? i mostly play death metal . so i need lots of gain and all that. but i dont wanna be limited to that. id like an amp that can the death but do blues, thrash metal, etc... so is there a marshall that has the Death tone ?

03-19-2008, 01:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
*Adwex* Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,217	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? With most Marshalls, you'll probably want a pedal to get you to Death-land. What about the Kerry King model? __________________ http://www.youtube.com/MarshallLesPaul

02-23-2009, 08:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
leadfootrob Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 7	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? I'm still waiting on my 2203KK (just bought it!) ..and my band plays classic 70s rock... Lynyrd Skynyrd etc..

02-23-2009, 09:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 2,031	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? i use a 1983 2203 in a black metal band... use a few pedals. __________________ Transformers inside amplifiers were not originally designed to be in there, and the tube was not created for the guitar amp. ANY recommended idle current is a guideline and in no way a necessary requirement. There is no skeleton key for any tube amp.

02-24-2009, 12:33 AM	#9 (permalink)
MonstersOfTheMidway Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: a chair Posts: 449	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? Crossroads has some ideas. I use the JVM410H and it is absolutely nasty. The gain is ferocious. I think that JVM410H would surely get you good tones for death metal. But if you're on a budget, I'd also say an MG is a good choice. You also might way to look into some used AVT. Happy hunting.

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02-24-2009, 12:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
dmnall Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 211	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? I would say with an MXR 108 10 Band EQ, and I am still looking for a pedal chances are a modded Boss SD1 might be what I am looking at through Hot Tubes 70 on the forums, should get me the Death/Black Metal tone through a JCM 900 100 watt 2100 MK3 High Gain amp. If you keep checking Craigslist and even ebay, you should be able to find a JCM 900 which you can find in the 500 - 750 range! Also look for a JCM 900 SL-X amp as I have heard nothing but good about these amps! I am getting close to Acid Bath tones with my MK3 2100 with just an mxr 10 band eq! Or I might get another mxr 108 just to boost the gain even more! The JCM 800s are good amps but the 900s are one of my favorites! Cheers, Charlie __________________ Charlie Amps 1994 Marshall JCM900 2100 SL-X 100 watt Head Genz Benz 4x12 cab 4x 75 watt celestion speakers Line6 Spider 3 30 watt with 1x 12 celestion and FBV Express Pedal late night practice amp Guitars 1985 Fender Stratocaster '62 reissue Fiesta Red 2006 Gibson Les Paul Studio Alpine White Gold HW 2005 ESP LTD MHB400 Black Baritone 1992 Jackson Professional Rhoads Pro Dark M. Blue 2006 Martin D16 GT

02-24-2009, 01:14 AM	#11 (permalink)
mercilessdeath86 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Winnipeg Posts: 74	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? my 6100LM cranked on the lead channel is TOTAL DEATH. Fuck pedals

02-24-2009, 03:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 2,031	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? and a pedal or two for the leads... __________________ Transformers inside amplifiers were not originally designed to be in there, and the tube was not created for the guitar amp. ANY recommended idle current is a guideline and in no way a necessary requirement. There is no skeleton key for any tube amp.

02-24-2009, 05:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
lemansfanatic Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 63	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? Well he's looking for versatility too, death metal to blues is a bit of a stretch without multiple channels or pedals. I tried to install high gain tubes to get metal sound and got the metal, lost the blues. If i had to do it all over again, I'd go for the best clean to crunchy Marshall tone I could get with the amp, then when I want the extra mega gain just tap the pedal. Its hard to get the best of both worlds with the same set of tubes without spending big $ on trying out different pre-amp tube combinations. __________________ JCM DSL50 Splawn 4x12 Cab w/ V30's and Greenbacks in X pattern Gibson SG Standard

02-24-2009, 05:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
psphill27 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 337	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? If I were going extreme metal with a Marshall right now...I would get a JCM 900 SL-X (50 watt so I could crank it and drive it more) and back it up with a MXR 10-band EQ and throw in an MXR Dimeback distortion to get insane gain tones....if I needed it.

02-24-2009, 06:48 PM	#18 (permalink)
sojatriani Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 279	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? The very best Marshall for metal is the Mode Four, System of a Down uses them for a reference point. They are solid state so the get real dirty, in a good way, and they're 350 watts. My Triple XXX is the absolute best metal amp I have ever heard, but it ain't a Marshall :-)) __________________ Marshall 92 JCM 900 4101/running thru 1936 212 cab Marshall 2008 Vintage Modern half stack 1975 VOX AC30 with extension cab Peavey Classic 50 212 combo Peavey Triple XXX 212 combo '85 Les paul '74 strat 2002 American Deluxe Strat/Fat 50's 2004 Richie Sambora Strat 1997 USA Roadhouse Strat 1992 Ibanez RG 550 1996 ESP Eclipse

02-24-2009, 06:49 PM	#19 (permalink)
rockinr0ll Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,602	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? Are they really that much better then the avt because I was watching a video on them and tbh I wasn't that impressed.

02-24-2009, 06:54 PM	#20 (permalink)
sojatriani Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 279	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? The AVT is no comparison to the Mode Four for metal, I don't care for the Mode Four at all, but my buddy had one for a few years and it was scary.....he plays that Black Metal stuff....the AVT is more tame and versatile. The Triple XXX is the KING of metal, it is too insane with the gain on 6, much less 10. __________________ Marshall 92 JCM 900 4101/running thru 1936 212 cab Marshall 2008 Vintage Modern half stack 1975 VOX AC30 with extension cab Peavey Classic 50 212 combo Peavey Triple XXX 212 combo '85 Les paul '74 strat 2002 American Deluxe Strat/Fat 50's 2004 Richie Sambora Strat 1997 USA Roadhouse Strat 1992 Ibanez RG 550 1996 ESP Eclipse

02-24-2009, 06:54 PM	#21 (permalink)
WrenchDevil6 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 274	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? My brother's XXX is insanely heavy, and on occasion, I get jealous. He's running it through a shitty Hartke cab to boot, and his tone is sick. I'll do my penance for my blasphemy later.

02-24-2009, 08:02 PM	#22 (permalink)
axl2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Mahone Bay, NS, Canada Posts: 140	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? There are lots of different tones even for metal. Get any solid Marshall amp that has a good amount of gain. Any of the JCM's and boost the hell out of it with a pedal, maybe get an EQ too boost the thump if needed. __________________ Marshall DSL 100 Head Marshall AVT 20- Combo Epiphone Les Paul-Seymour Duncan Pups Fender Showmaster- Seymour Duncan Pups Takamine Electric Acoustic Epiphone Acoustic Boss GE7 Ibanez DL10 Delay Ibanez TS-808 Keeley DS-1 Ultra

02-24-2009, 08:38 PM	#23 (permalink)
coldsteal2 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chico, CA Posts: 1,607	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? I would think a Moded amp would be the best Marshall for that. FJA has a mod for a Vintage Modern that is right up your ally They do metal mods for most Marshalls, the FJA Mod guy is even a member here, i wouldnt mind this mod myself check this out YouTube - FJA modded Marshall Vintage Modern Xtreme metal 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeelektEOMI __________________ http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...&content=music

02-25-2009, 01:49 AM	#24 (permalink)
dmnall Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 211	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? Well with a pedal and eq the jcm 900 2100 mk3 rocks for a metal amp, however, my friend and guitar teacher, uses a 95 Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Solo amp and that has some gain that makes even my jcm 900 seem week but considering he was the former guitarist for Devil Driver he started dd and quit to do his own thing! I did get to play through it and his randall, the mb rocks just pure metal.. Charlie __________________ Charlie Amps 1994 Marshall JCM900 2100 SL-X 100 watt Head Genz Benz 4x12 cab 4x 75 watt celestion speakers Line6 Spider 3 30 watt with 1x 12 celestion and FBV Express Pedal late night practice amp* Guitars 1985 Fender Stratocaster '62 reissue Fiesta Red 2006 Gibson Les Paul Studio Alpine White Gold HW 2005 ESP LTD MHB400 Black Baritone 1992 Jackson Professional Rhoads Pro Dark M. Blue 2006 Martin D16 GT

02-26-2009, 12:20 PM	#25 (permalink)
chetbango Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? Dear lord, do not get an MG. Get used and save some more dough and you can get the models that people are recommending like the SL-X or KK model.

02-26-2009, 10:47 PM	#26 (permalink)
American Viking Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: RICHMOND, VIRGINIA Posts: 2,031	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? the whole line of MG series is terrible... stay far away... __________________ Transformers inside amplifiers were not originally designed to be in there, and the tube was not created for the guitar amp. ANY recommended idle current is a guideline and in no way a necessary requirement. There is no skeleton key for any tube amp.

02-27-2009, 02:18 AM	#27 (permalink)
Bucknasty Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 45	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? Play through a metal muff pedal. I live by that thing. It fuckin rocks!!!!

02-27-2009, 08:56 AM	#29 (permalink)
Vintager12 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 693	Re: best marshall for extreme metal? If you need a good metal amp in that buget go for H&K or the MG. Maybe line 6 can help you too... Or the Kerry King sig. but you cant buy that. __________________ The Emperor of the Vintage Modern.

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