Jvm410h vs 2203kk

Chris Swollenballs · 10-15-2009, 01:53 PM

Hey folks, new member here.

I own a Marshall JVM410H and over the years of amp whoring, it has become hands down the best amp I've ever owned.

Lately, I've gotten a really nasty itch for a 2203KK and I can't seem to get over it.

A few people have been telling me that they're both very similar and it's not worth owning both of them.

I was hoping maybe someone with experience or someone who has owned both amps, could lead me in the right direction.

Do these amps sound different enough to justify owning both?

I use my JVM for modern metal tones and I was hoping to use the KK for thrashy tones.

gtrman · 10-15-2009, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Swollenballs

Hey folks, new member here.

I own a Marshall JVM410H and over the years of amp whoring, it has become hands down the best amp I've ever owned.

Lately, I've gotten a really nasty itch for a 2203KK and I can't seem to get over it.

A few people have been telling me that they're both very similar and it's not worth owning both of them.

I was hoping maybe someone with experience or someone who has owned both amps, could lead me in the right direction.

Do these amps sound different enough to justify owning both?

I use my JVM for modern metal tones and I was hoping to use the KK for thrashy tones.

I used to have a JVM410H but sold it. I have a JCM800 2203X and have tried the KK at a music store. In my opinion the JVM doesn't sound anything like a KK. The JVM has tons more features and you can get good metal tones out of it but the KK delivers a punch & roar that the JVM in no way can replicate. The JCM800 is my favorite amp as the tone & crunch is fairly unique and there is no other Marshall that can duplicate that particular sound. The KK is like a JCM800 on steroids as it delivers even more beastly punch.

Now go on and satisfy your craving ....

steelhorse · 10-15-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gtrman

I used to have a JVM410H but sold it. I have a JCM800 2203X and have tried the KK at a music store. In my opinion the JVM doesn't sound anything like a KK. The JVM has tons more features and you can get good metal tones out of it but the KK delivers a punch & roar that the JVM in no way can replicate. The JCM800 is my favorite amp as the tone & crunch is fairly unique and there is no other Marshall that can duplicate that particular sound. The KK is like a JCM800 on steroids as it delivers even more beastly punch.

Now go on and satisfy your craving ....

+1

Chris Swollenballs · 10-15-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by steelhorse

+1

Thanks folks, looks like I might be swaying into picking one up.

Steelhorse do you work for Bernie?

I'm a huge fan of BRJ guitars and have 2 currently on order.

steelhorse · 10-15-2009, 07:31 PM

PM me Chris. Fill me in on what you ordered and when and from whom and I can check on it for you.

I have an Alias in paint right now that's gonna be sick.

ken361 · 10-16-2009, 01:42 PM

yeah but does it have its clean as good as the jvm? prob not.

steelhorse · 10-16-2009, 02:34 PM

I think you'd have to be nuts to buy the KK for it's cleans, I know I didn't but it does cleans as well as any other 1 channel 800 imo. Big head room because of the KT88's, but I roll my volume off and switch pickups and it smooths it out well enough.

The JVM definitely has the better cleans by far but it's gain is not nearly as pronounced it's more of a compressed high gain.

ken361 · 10-16-2009, 02:44 PM

good preamp tubes will help! stock ones are kinda dark and not that great. I have a RFT in the v1, great metal with a les paul and fender like cleans with the compressor on and a fender strat. there both awsome amps!

Chris Swollenballs · 10-18-2009, 02:55 PM

My JVM is the perfect amp for me so I'm not looking for a replacement.

I'd like to use the 2203KK for more thrash/vintage metal tones.

My JVM does modern tones really well.

MonstersOfTheMidway · 10-18-2009, 03:54 PM

Sup. Yeah, I know what you are saying about the JVM. I'll say that the higher gain stages of the 410 reflect a scooped mids tone by design, OD2 more than OD1. I think that is one aspect that makes the high gain tones of the 410 different from the KK800. I personally do not like that scooped mids sound, so I boost the mids on OD1 and OD2 with the 410's own eq. Additionally, I use pickups that are well balanced, so that helps to even things out. One thing I love about the KK800 is the noise gate. I wish the JVM had it's own onboard noise gate and would not mind seeing a new version of the 410 featuring the KK800's noise gate. Being a single-channel amp, the KK800 would be great for recording, but be difficult to incorporate into a live setting since I use many tones within the songs I write.

I think that KK800 would be a great purchase should you decide to get one.

wkcchampion · 10-19-2009, 03:33 PM

I never tried a 2203KK, but I can imagine what tones it can do (obviously Slayer).
Well personally I don't like that music at all, but I can say this:
- if u play very aggressive metal only, the KK is for you
- if want a good grinding metal sound, but also fantastic tones for softer rock music, the JVM is for you (and for me too, I'd like to have one to put together with my AC30CC2X ^^)
Hope it helps...
Marco

JMP · 10-19-2009, 04:15 PM

Based on what you play, Alex. I think the KK would suit you well. If you dont need uber versatility.

10-15-2009, 01:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
Chris Swollenballs Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5	Jvm410h vs 2203kk Hey folks, new member here. I own a Marshall JVM410H and over the years of amp whoring, it has become hands down the best amp I've ever owned. Lately, I've gotten a really nasty itch for a 2203KK and I can't seem to get over it. A few people have been telling me that they're both very similar and it's not worth owning both of them. I was hoping maybe someone with experience or someone who has owned both amps, could lead me in the right direction. Do these amps sound different enough to justify owning both? I use my JVM for modern metal tones and I was hoping to use the KK for thrashy tones.

10-15-2009, 07:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,886	Re: Jvm410h vs 2203kk PM me Chris. Fill me in on what you ordered and when and from whom and I can check on it for you. I have an Alias in paint right now that's gonna be sick. __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

10-16-2009, 01:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
ken361 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 124	Re: Jvm410h vs 2203kk yeah but does it have its clean as good as the jvm? prob not. __________________ tone slut JVM 205h/1960b cab Peavey wolfgang Mim fender strat/hot rail pup Epiphone Les paul/burstbucker George L cables Mxr pedals

10-16-2009, 02:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,886	Re: Jvm410h vs 2203kk I think you'd have to be nuts to buy the KK for it's cleans, I know I didn't but it does cleans as well as any other 1 channel 800 imo. Big head room because of the KT88's, but I roll my volume off and switch pickups and it smooths it out well enough. The JVM definitely has the better cleans by far but it's gain is not nearly as pronounced it's more of a compressed high gain. __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

10-16-2009, 02:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
ken361 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 124	Re: Jvm410h vs 2203kk good preamp tubes will help! stock ones are kinda dark and not that great. I have a RFT in the v1, great metal with a les paul and fender like cleans with the compressor on and a fender strat. there both awsome amps! __________________ tone slut JVM 205h/1960b cab Peavey wolfgang Mim fender strat/hot rail pup Epiphone Les paul/burstbucker George L cables Mxr pedals

10-18-2009, 02:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
Chris Swollenballs Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5	Re: Jvm410h vs 2203kk My JVM is the perfect amp for me so I'm not looking for a replacement. I'd like to use the 2203KK for more thrash/vintage metal tones. My JVM does modern tones really well.

10-18-2009, 03:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
MonstersOfTheMidway Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: a chair Posts: 288	Re: Jvm410h vs 2203kk Sup. Yeah, I know what you are saying about the JVM. I'll say that the higher gain stages of the 410 reflect a scooped mids tone by design, OD2 more than OD1. I think that is one aspect that makes the high gain tones of the 410 different from the KK800. I personally do not like that scooped mids sound, so I boost the mids on OD1 and OD2 with the 410's own eq. Additionally, I use pickups that are well balanced, so that helps to even things out. One thing I love about the KK800 is the noise gate. I wish the JVM had it's own onboard noise gate and would not mind seeing a new version of the 410 featuring the KK800's noise gate. Being a single-channel amp, the KK800 would be great for recording, but be difficult to incorporate into a live setting since I use many tones within the songs I write. I think that KK800 would be a great purchase should you decide to get one. __________________ Opinions = a big steaming pile of ME!!!

10-19-2009, 03:33 PM	#11 (permalink)
wkcchampion Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 144	Re: Jvm410h vs 2203kk I never tried a 2203KK, but I can imagine what tones it can do (obviously Slayer). Well personally I don't like that music at all, but I can say this: - if u play very aggressive metal only, the KK is for you - if want a good grinding metal sound, but also fantastic tones for softer rock music, the JVM is for you (and for me too, I'd like to have one to put together with my AC30CC2X ^^) Hope it helps... Marco

10-19-2009, 04:15 PM	#12 (permalink)
JMP Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 13	Re: Jvm410h vs 2203kk Based on what you play, Alex. I think the KK would suit you well. If you dont need uber versatility.

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