Is it true the Marshall MA combo amps come with Eminence speakers????

axuality · 10-12-2009, 12:04 PM

I've seen that on 3 or more websites. I wouldn't touch one if it doesn't have Celestion, would you?

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SGed · 10-12-2009, 01:21 PM

Eminence makes some very good speakers. Lots of choices for different tone. Check out their website. They have sound samples of their models. Made in USA. No, I don't work for Eminence.

crossroadsnyc · 10-12-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SGed

Eminence makes some very good speakers. Lots of choices for different tone. Check out their website. They have sound samples of their models. Made in USA. No, I don't work for Eminence.

+1

Vince · 10-12-2009, 10:06 PM

Nothing wrong with Eminence speakers.....

MartyStrat54 · 10-13-2009, 05:25 PM

I run Eminence in two of my Marshall amps. The Red Fang Alnico sounds so much better than the stock Celestion that was in one of my DSL401's.

I also run two Man 'O War speakers in my TSL122.

BrotherJ · 10-13-2009, 07:26 PM

Eminence make some pretty good speakers!

I haven’t heard the amp in person but I think the speakers should be on par with the lower end celestions that they use in the MG cabs. Maybe they even might be a surprise and sound really good negating the need of a speaker upgrade (but that’s probably wishful thinking)

MartyStrat54 · 10-13-2009, 08:53 PM

Eminence has got it going on. They are OE for a lot of cabinets. They have a line of their old favorites and I have tried several of these and I really like them.

Their top tier products are the Patriot and Red Coat series. I would match the quality and the build of these against any Celestion, be it "Chinese" or British.

MKB · 10-13-2009, 10:23 PM

Indeed Eminence makes some great speakers. I have a Wizard and it is terrific, and I plan to get a Tonkerlite for my grab-and-go combo soon.

But I can't figure out why Marshall is using Eminence. AFAIK all Eminence speakers are made in the US; why use a US made speaker in a UK amp made in India or Vietnam? And Celestion has shown their ability to make very low cost speakers in China. Maybe Eminence gives them a better speaker for the money perhaps?

FWIW, the designer of the MA series is Steve Dawson (same guy that designed the Vintage Modern and JH reissue), and he said the MA cabs are MDF not plywood.

MartyStrat54 · 10-13-2009, 10:56 PM

One of the first things you learn as a cab builder is that MDF is a no-no. You can cheat and use it as a baffle board (some say that it is superior to plywood in this case). MDF is heavy and it doesn't glue up well. It is prone to edge breaks. I can't understand why a company would make an MDF cab? If it is a permanent situation, then that's another thing, but for roading, it sucks.

Nice score on the Wizard. I have two of them that are waiting to go in a cab. I may have to build me a 2 by 12 for them. The Tonkerlite is a sweet one as well. Eminence has several bass and guitar speakers using the "NEO" magnet. The George Lynch model is a smoking neo speaker. He uses them in his Randall cabs. Four of them will really lighten up a big cab.

tarznamps · 10-13-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by axuality

I've seen that on 3 or more websites. I wouldn't touch one if it doesn't have Celestion, would you?

I also heard the were using Linklin C-19 screws in the chasis and not Lawlor X15's fine threads. I wouldn't touch one if it doesn't have Lawlor, would you?

thrawn86 · 10-14-2009, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MKB

Indeed Eminence makes some great speakers. I have a Wizard and it is terrific, and I plan to get a Tonkerlite for my grab-and-go combo soon.

But I can't figure out why Marshall is using Eminence. AFAIK all Eminence speakers are made in the US; why use a US made speaker in a UK amp made in India or Vietnam? And Celestion has shown their ability to make very low cost speakers in China. Maybe Eminence gives them a better speaker for the money perhaps?

FWIW, the designer of the MA series is Steve Dawson (same guy that designed the Vintage Modern and JH reissue), and he said the MA cabs are MDF not plywood.

My combo has an Accutronics reverb tank in it; It dates to 2002 and was made in the US. Nothing suprises me anymore, even outsourcing to a superpower

steelhorse · 10-14-2009, 03:46 AM

Love Eminence speakers, they rock!

axuality · 11-05-2009, 01:24 PM

I have always had the notion that (almost) half of the Marshall sound was due to the Celestions. Celestions have a bounce (quick return) that I've never heard in any other speaker including Eminence.

If it's true, doesn't Marshall realize that Celestion is a large part of that "Marshall sound/feel"?

tarznamps · 11-05-2009, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axuality

I have always had the notion that (almost) half of the Marshall sound was due to the Celestions.

If it's true, doesn't Marshall realize that Celestion is a large part of that "Marshall sound/feel"?

Not sure if I buy into that theory. The Marshall sound has to be considered the sound produced at the head. If not, you could go on to include tubes, speakers, guitar, pickups, etc.

I would also note that "Celestions" don't have "a" sound (as in one sound). Again, you must clarify which Celestion sound. As we all no, there are many variations.

My point is - Hendrix with his strat, Marshall and Greenbacks are "a" Marshall sound - but so is Zack, his LP, EMG's and EV speakers.

I'm excited to see what the new rig sounds like - it will be another, unique Marshall sound!

pacAir · 11-05-2009, 02:59 PM

It is entirely possible that they save money shipping amps sans speakers from whatever factory they are made in and new Eminence speakers are installed at a local assembly point and final tested.

I know, this doesn't sound like standard procedure for Korg or Marshall but stranger things have happened. When times get tough you make adjustments.

I have always liked Eminence speakers for their quality and the fact that they were all American Made in Kentucky. I hope this doesn't signal the start of offshore manufacturing of their product, even it is only one OEM project.

Steve

axuality · 11-05-2009, 05:14 PM

I don't mean to be negative, but Marshall usually or always gets back to me when I write them. I wrote them weeks ago about this and they haven't answered. I wrote them a second time today. I hope they're not avoiding the question.

BluesDisciple · 11-18-2009, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by crossroadsnyc

+1

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10-12-2009, 12:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
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10-12-2009, 01:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
SGed Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 46	Re: Is it true the Marshall MA combo amps come with Eminence speakers???? Eminence makes some very good speakers. Lots of choices for different tone. Check out their website. They have sound samples of their models. Made in USA. No, I don't work for Eminence.

10-12-2009, 10:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
Vince Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 23	Re: Is it true the Marshall MA combo amps come with Eminence speakers???? Nothing wrong with Eminence speakers..... __________________ Marshall Mode Four Marshall Micro Stack Ceriatone 2550 Blackstar HT5H

10-13-2009, 05:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Formerly Phoenix, now north of KC Posts: 2,583	Re: Is it true the Marshall MA combo amps come with Eminence speakers???? I run Eminence in two of my Marshall amps. The Red Fang Alnico sounds so much better than the stock Celestion that was in one of my DSL401's. I also run two Man 'O War speakers in my TSL122. __________________ MARTY 2009 Gibson Explorer-Hell Raising Machine 1989 Fender Strat Plus USA 2008 Fender Tele USA 2004 Schecter Elite w/DiMarzio's TSL100 with custom 4x12 cab. TSL122 with Man 'O War Speakers. TSL602 #1 with JBL D123 Speakers and 602 #2 with Altec 417 Speakers. "Oh so sweet my friends." DSL401 #1 with Red Fang Speaker and 401 #2 with JBL D123 Speaker. Tubes: Let's just say they are NOS that kick ass.

10-13-2009, 07:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
BrotherJ Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 267	Re: Is it true the Marshall MA combo amps come with Eminence speakers???? Eminence make some pretty good speakers! I haven’t heard the amp in person but I think the speakers should be on par with the lower end celestions that they use in the MG cabs. Maybe they even might be a surprise and sound really good negating the need of a speaker upgrade (but that’s probably wishful thinking) __________________ TSL100 - MM OT & Choke and some circuit mods - 1960AV Stiletto Deuce II - Traditional quad

10-13-2009, 08:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Formerly Phoenix, now north of KC Posts: 2,583	Re: Is it true the Marshall MA combo amps come with Eminence speakers???? Eminence has got it going on. They are OE for a lot of cabinets. They have a line of their old favorites and I have tried several of these and I really like them. Their top tier products are the Patriot and Red Coat series. I would match the quality and the build of these against any Celestion, be it "Chinese" or British. __________________ MARTY 2009 Gibson Explorer-Hell Raising Machine 1989 Fender Strat Plus USA 2008 Fender Tele USA 2004 Schecter Elite w/DiMarzio's TSL100 with custom 4x12 cab. TSL122 with Man 'O War Speakers. TSL602 #1 with JBL D123 Speakers and 602 #2 with Altec 417 Speakers. "Oh so sweet my friends." DSL401 #1 with Red Fang Speaker and 401 #2 with JBL D123 Speaker. Tubes: Let's just say they are NOS that kick ass.

10-13-2009, 10:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
MKB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 203	Re: Is it true the Marshall MA combo amps come with Eminence speakers???? Indeed Eminence makes some great speakers. I have a Wizard and it is terrific, and I plan to get a Tonkerlite for my grab-and-go combo soon. But I can't figure out why Marshall is using Eminence. AFAIK all Eminence speakers are made in the US; why use a US made speaker in a UK amp made in India or Vietnam? And Celestion has shown their ability to make very low cost speakers in China. Maybe Eminence gives them a better speaker for the money perhaps? FWIW, the designer of the MA series is Steve Dawson (same guy that designed the Vintage Modern and JH reissue), and he said the MA cabs are MDF not plywood.

10-13-2009, 10:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Formerly Phoenix, now north of KC Posts: 2,583	Re: Is it true the Marshall MA combo amps come with Eminence speakers???? One of the first things you learn as a cab builder is that MDF is a no-no. You can cheat and use it as a baffle board (some say that it is superior to plywood in this case). MDF is heavy and it doesn't glue up well. It is prone to edge breaks. I can't understand why a company would make an MDF cab? If it is a permanent situation, then that's another thing, but for roading, it sucks. Nice score on the Wizard. I have two of them that are waiting to go in a cab. I may have to build me a 2 by 12 for them. The Tonkerlite is a sweet one as well. Eminence has several bass and guitar speakers using the "NEO" magnet. The George Lynch model is a smoking neo speaker. He uses them in his Randall cabs. Four of them will really lighten up a big cab. __________________ MARTY 2009 Gibson Explorer-Hell Raising Machine 1989 Fender Strat Plus USA 2008 Fender Tele USA 2004 Schecter Elite w/DiMarzio's TSL100 with custom 4x12 cab. TSL122 with Man 'O War Speakers. TSL602 #1 with JBL D123 Speakers and 602 #2 with Altec 417 Speakers. "Oh so sweet my friends." DSL401 #1 with Red Fang Speaker and 401 #2 with JBL D123 Speaker. Tubes: Let's just say they are NOS that kick ass.

10-14-2009, 03:46 AM	#12 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: Is it true the Marshall MA combo amps come with Eminence speakers???? Love Eminence speakers, they rock! __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

11-05-2009, 01:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
axuality Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Eau Claire, WI (by Minneapolis) Posts: 49	Re: Is it true the Marshall MA combo amps come with Eminence speakers???? I have always had the notion that (almost) half of the Marshall sound was due to the Celestions. Celestions have a bounce (quick return) that I've never heard in any other speaker including Eminence. If it's true, doesn't Marshall realize that Celestion is a large part of that "Marshall sound/feel"? __________________ All ad-lib guitar, all the time, including onstage. www.axuality.com

11-05-2009, 02:59 PM	#15 (permalink)
pacAir Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 15	Re: Is it true the Marshall MA combo amps come with Eminence speakers???? It is entirely possible that they save money shipping amps sans speakers from whatever factory they are made in and new Eminence speakers are installed at a local assembly point and final tested. I know, this doesn't sound like standard procedure for Korg or Marshall but stranger things have happened. When times get tough you make adjustments. I have always liked Eminence speakers for their quality and the fact that they were all American Made in Kentucky. I hope this doesn't signal the start of offshore manufacturing of their product, even it is only one OEM project. Steve

11-05-2009, 05:14 PM	#16 (permalink)
axuality Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Eau Claire, WI (by Minneapolis) Posts: 49	Re: Is it true the Marshall MA combo amps come with Eminence speakers???? I don't mean to be negative, but Marshall usually or always gets back to me when I write them. I wrote them weeks ago about this and they haven't answered. I wrote them a second time today. I hope they're not avoiding the question. __________________ All ad-lib guitar, all the time, including onstage. www.axuality.com

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