Power tubes?? Who, What, When Where how?? - Page 4

solarburnDSL50 · 09-15-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by javier pintos

OK NOS are better than CP, but what if you must get CP cause you do not have the $$ to get the NOS and your power tubes are on the way out or have already fail?, what CP would be good to go for

I´m thinking on my DSL100

Cheers

I can't afford NOS power tubes either javier. The Tubestore.com has Shuguang EL34B's for $28.95 for a matched set. So you would put 2 in the quantity box to get a matched quad which works out to be $57.90. Ruby Tubes rebrands these as EL34BSTR's. They are the same tubes and sound very good as I have a matched pair.

Winged =C='s are a great pick but a bit more expensive. Their overall reputation is they are a durable CP great sounding power tube. I'm running these right now. My RFT's(NOS)are a bit warmer and have really nice mids and highs that aren't harsh but I wanted to give them a rest while I hammer the Winged =C='s some more.

javier pintos · 09-15-2009, 03:43 PM

hey i just went by the tube store, and actually liked what i read about the svetlana EL34, anyone has had any experience with them?

solarburnDSL50 · 09-15-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by javier pintos

hey i just went by the tube store, and actually liked what i read about the svetlana EL34, anyone has had any experience with them?

I used these for a time due to the description given about them. I thought they were a bit too cutting and harsh for my tastes. I mean it isn't hard to get a DSL to cut through hehe. The absence of lowend didn't thrill me either. Some K100's(speakers)may tame the high end a bit and then some dark preamp tubes...

I just didn't like em'.

RiverRatt · 09-15-2009, 04:45 PM

I don't think the Svetlanas are all that bad. My GTEL34M's are drifting like crazy and starting to scare me. I had a pair of Svetlanas handy, so that's what went in. They are a little thin, but the bass boost helped that. I've got the bass and mids on 10 and the treble on 6 or 7 and it sounds pretty good. I've gotten to where I don't even touch the presence control any more. I've really never been in a situation where I needed it with the DSL. Hopefully I'll have some RFT EL34's in it soon and then I won't have to worry about CP tubes for awhile.

MartyStrat54 · 09-15-2009, 04:59 PM

Yeah, but the bottom line is you shouldn't have to use that much bass EQ. You should get some of it naturally from the power tubes.

Like a set of RFT's.

solarburnDSL50 · 09-15-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RiverRatt

I don't think the Svetlanas are all that bad. My GTEL34M's are drifting like crazy and starting to scare me. I had a pair of Svetlanas handy, so that's what went in. They are a little thin, but the bass boost helped that. I've got the bass and mids on 10 and the treble on 6 or 7 and it sounds pretty good. I've gotten to where I don't even touch the presence control any more. I've really never been in a situation where I needed it with the DSL. Hopefully I'll have some RFT EL34's in it soon and then I won't have to worry about CP tubes for awhile.

Wow on that EQ hehe. I have my presence about 3, treble 4, mids at 7 and bass at 3 with the bass boost on. I'm getting plenty of lows mixed in. Are you sure your bass boost is working? Are you using it? I couldn't use that much bass on mine without flubb'n it out with too much lowend. As long as it sounds good to you though is what matters. We each have our own ears to judge by hehe.

RiverRatt · 09-15-2009, 05:57 PM

I've been living in red channel land for the last week or so. I've been trying out some Tungsram ECC83's I'm selling on eBay, making sure they aren't noisy and can handle the gain. They are a strange lot of tubes - Marty tested them way high, but in the DSL they aren't as high gain as my RCA/RFT combination. Not bad sounding, though. I think I developed a distaste for them when I was using them in my old Laney. The more I think about it, that amp was probably needing a cap job pretty bad - I kept blaming the thin, no-bottom-end tone on tubes.
Back to the EQ, I can get a decent JCM800 tone out of the red channel on Ultra Gain 1 with the gain at about 1 o'clock, but it's bright... that's the main reason for the weird settings. I may have a little presence dialed in - I don't really remember. If I'm on the green channel, it's more like 6-6-6. And yes, the bass boost is definitely working. I haven't been able to crank the amp for a few days, and it sounds better with the bass boost at low volume. If I wasn't stuck at the office, I could have had the house to myself for a couple of hours today. That's usually the way it works out.

Hey, I forgot to mention: I found a treasure the other day. My wife was going through some old clothes that we had put away in rubbermaid containers years ago (seems like we never throw anything away). She found a Marshall t-shirt that I had gotten at the NAMM show in 2000. It was autographed by Jim Marshall and had the "new" JTM45 RI on the front. That brings my total to 3. For some reason, I didn't even remember having that shirt.

solarburnDSL50 · 09-15-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RiverRatt

I've been living in red channel land for the last week or so. I've been trying out some Tungsram ECC83's I'm selling on eBay, making sure they aren't noisy and can handle the gain. They are a strange lot of tubes - Marty tested them way high, but in the DSL they aren't as high gain as my RCA/RFT combination. Not bad sounding, though. I think I developed a distaste for them when I was using them in my old Laney. The more I think about it, that amp was probably needing a cap job pretty bad - I kept blaming the thin, no-bottom-end tone on tubes.
Back to the EQ, I can get a decent JCM800 tone out of the red channel on Ultra Gain 1 with the gain at about 1 o'clock, but it's bright... that's the main reason for the weird settings. I may have a little presence dialed in - I don't really remember. If I'm on the green channel, it's more like 6-6-6. And yes, the bass boost is definitely working. I haven't been able to crank the amp for a few days, and it sounds better with the bass boost at low volume. If I wasn't stuck at the office, I could have had the house to myself for a couple of hours today. That's usually the way it works out.

Hey, I forgot to mention: I found a treasure the other day. My wife was going through some old clothes that we had put away in rubbermaid containers years ago (seems like we never throw anything away). She found a Marshall t-shirt that I had gotten at the NAMM show in 2000. It was autographed by Jim Marshall and had the "new" JTM45 RI on the front. That brings my total to 3. For some reason, I didn't even remember having that shirt.

Man I always forget I boost too. Usually I use lead 1 with the gain at 4/5 and add some boost with my Dano Transparent Overdrive. I get some added thickness and punch only the way I use it. I don't try to get more gain. I just leave my EQ basically the same for the crunch channel but take the bass boost off if going at it with volume there.

I wouldn't mind having a JTM45 RI 30 watter. Nice frigg'n amp! Cool on the shirt man.

MartyStrat54 · 09-15-2009, 09:37 PM

Yeah Joe, just by the shirt off of RATT and save yourself some $$$.

thrawn86 · 09-15-2009, 11:52 PM

A while back I was interested in changing my EL84's, since I got my amp used and thought I should perhaps, but saw no reason as they were in excellent condition.

I know Marty chimed in and suggested Ei tubes, and after I gave mine a looksee, that's exactly what I have. I like the sound I have, so does anyone else have an opinion on these? (All I'm running are the original preamp tubes btw)

solarburnDSL50 · 09-16-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

Yeah Joe, just by the shirt off of RATT and save yourself some $$$.

solarburnDSL50 · 09-16-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by thrawn86

A while back I was interested in changing my EL84's, since I got my amp used and thought I should perhaps, but saw no reason as they were in excellent condition.

I know Marty chimed in and suggested Ei tubes, and after I gave mine a looksee, that's exactly what I have. I like the sound I have, so does anyone else have an opinion on these? (All I'm running are the original preamp tubes btw)

I like these...alot!

Matched Pairs, Brand New, MINT NOS NIB 1966-1970 Funkwerk RFT EL84 Tubes. East German Production. These welded plate tubes are more desirable than the later stapled plate RFT's.

No opine on the EI's though.

RiverRatt · 09-16-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by solarburnDSL50

Yeah, I'll make you a deal, but you'll have to change your name to "Alan" (or "Melanie" if you want my wife's shirt).

I think I know why I didn't remember that shirt. I remember going to the NAMM show in Nashville one year when I was very sick. I made it through it thanks to a large bottle of high-octane cough syrup and a coffee booth that was selling espresso. You ever been so f'ed up you could barely stand up and so wired you couldn't lay down?

MartyStrat54 · 09-16-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by thrawn86

A while back I was interested in changing my EL84's, since I got my amp used and thought I should perhaps, but saw no reason as they were in excellent condition.

I know Marty chimed in and suggested Ei tubes, and after I gave mine a looksee, that's exactly what I have. I like the sound I have, so does anyone else have an opinion on these? (All I'm running are the original preamp tubes btw)

I left you some comment in the Preamp Thread. However, Ei EL84's were my favorite CP tube. To go beyond that, you would have to get NOS tubes. I sold a bunch recently of EBAY and one lucky guy got a quad of Sylvania Black Plates for $60. Those are some nice tubes. I should have gotten twice that, but that's how it goes on EBAY sometimes.

Those Ei's aren't going to last forever, so I recommend that you start looking around now for a possible deal on a set of tubes.

ARS is still selling Ei EL84's. Call them for a price on four. If it's too high, then I would recommend watching EBAY and snagging a set on NOS tubes.

ARS Electronics - Audio Catalog Page

axl2 · 09-16-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by solarburnDSL50

I used these for a time due to the description given about them. I thought they were a bit too cutting and harsh for my tastes. I mean it isn't hard to get a DSL to cut through hehe. The absence of lowend didn't thrill me either. Some K100's(speakers)may tame the high end a bit and then some dark preamp tubes...

I just didn't like em'.

Same problem I'm having with them right now. They are on the verge of being replaced. I'm not a fan of such a low amount of low end and shrill lead tones.

To my ear they have a nice mid section but as the volume increases the high end overpowers it. Creating an insanely harsh tone.

solarburnDSL50 · 09-17-2009, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by axl2

Same problem I'm having with them right now. They are on the verge of being replaced. I'm not a fan of such a low amount of low end and shrill lead tones.

To my ear they have a nice mid section but as the volume increases the high end overpowers it. Creating an insanely harsh tone.

Exactly. Especially at volume.

solarburnDSL50 · 09-17-2009, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RiverRatt

Yeah, I'll make you a deal, but you'll have to change your name to "Alan" (or "Melanie" if you want my wife's shirt).

I think I know why I didn't remember that shirt. I remember going to the NAMM show in Nashville one year when I was very sick. I made it through it thanks to a large bottle of high-octane cough syrup and a coffee booth that was selling espresso. You ever been so f'ed up you could barely stand up and so wired you couldn't lay down?

Still want the JTM45 30 watt AMP!!!!!! The shirt is just a tease...with a girls name on it.

Its either the JTM or a 3 Monkeys Grease Monkey. The JTM's cheaper.

<--- Look! Triple 8! Do I win a JTM45?

RiverRatt · 09-17-2009, 03:22 AM

You might want to take a serious look at Ceriatone. They get a bad rep from the cork-sniffers, but a good friend of mine is a customer of theirs. I've never heard a bad sound come from one of his amps. His Plexi50 (1987) is the voice of God.

solarburnDSL50 · 09-17-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by axl2

Same problem I'm having with them right now. They are on the verge of being replaced. I'm not a fan of such a low amount of low end and shrill lead tones.

To my ear they have a nice mid section but as the volume increases the high end overpowers it. Creating an insanely harsh tone.

By the way axl2 what are you going to replace them with?

solarburnDSL50 · 09-17-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RiverRatt

You might want to take a serious look at Ceriatone. They get a bad rep from the cork-sniffers, but a good friend of mine is a customer of theirs. I've never heard a bad sound come from one of his amps. His Plexi50 (1987) is the voice of God.

I know about these and you are right. I continue to hear good reviews about them. I would love to hear that Plexi50 in person. Love them Plexi tones.

MartyStrat54 · 09-17-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by solarburnDSL50

Still want the JTM45 30 watt AMP!!!!!! The shirt is just a tease...with a girls name on it.

Its either the JTM or a 3 Monkeys Grease Monkey. The JTM's cheaper.

<--- Look! Triple 8! Do I win a JTM45?

Sorry...you didn't win. Now if it had been 777 you would have won the amp of your choice.

solarburnDSL50 · 09-17-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

Sorry...you didn't win. Now if it had been 777 you would have won the amp of your choice.

Figures...

Guess I'll have to use real money then.

axl2 · 09-19-2009, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by solarburnDSL50

By the way axl2 what are you going to replace them with?

I'm actually undecided right now. I rushed into my last tube purchases. I think I'm going to keep the JJ's in the pre amp for now, get some more mileage. But the EL34's have gotta go. I'm researching around....

builtbychevy · 09-27-2009, 05:59 PM

hey guys i have a vintage modern 2266c 50watt
preampvalves- 4x ecc83
powerampvalves- 2x kt66
speakers-2x g12c

Now for my dilemma... I want that Marshall 1960Dave Mustaine Sig. amp sound. I feel i do not have enough experience with tubes to make an educated decision on this, so i am asking for a recommendation of real high quality/quality-sounding tubes to replace all of the existing factory ones in my 2266.

builtbychevy · 09-28-2009, 12:19 PM

Hey I've been looking around allot im not sure what genuine NOS tubes really are. Because there seems to be so many variants claiming NOS, Sovtek, Brimar, made in england made in russia made in germany... its rather confusing. also which would be of higher quality the ones made pre 1990's or post 1990's?

MartyStrat54 · 09-28-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by builtbychevy

Hey I've been looking around allot im not sure what genuine NOS tubes really are. Because there seems to be so many variants claiming NOS, Sovtek, Brimar, made in england made in russia made in germany... its rather confusing. also which would be of higher quality the ones made pre 1990's or post 1990's?

You have a couple of posts and I will try to answer your questions. First off, putting high quality NOS tubes in your VM will change the tone. Will it make you sound like Dave Mustaine? Probably not, but it will get you closer than if you were to use the stock OE Marshall tubes (that are probably Sovtek's).

Now the other thing. Your amp runs KT66's. You would probably get closer to Dave's sound with EL34's. Now there are some important variables here. One is current draw of the heaters in the power tubes. The KT's pull less than the EL34's. Using EL34's could cause the power transformer to run warmer. The only thing I could safely recommend is a pair of NOS Sylvania Fat Boy 6L6GC's. These have more bottom end than a regular 6L6. However, they still sound like a 6L6 and are not going to give you that EL34 sound. I look at it this way. You bought the VM, because you liked how it sounded. Right? Well then you must like the KT66 sound over the EL34 sound and that's not a bad thing. KT66's have their own distinct sound.

Now the two things that you can do to quickly change your amp's sound is changing at least the gain preamp tubes with NOS and also your speakers. This is a complete column on its own and I will be brief. Almost all guitar speakers are "colored." That is, they have peaks and dips in their frequency response that give the speaker its distinct sound. In some of my cabinets, I use high quality Mid PA speakers. These are very flat and neutral sounding.

You can add more bottom end to an amp by changing the preamp tubes, but you can also do it by changing over to say V30's. If you want the most bottom end, you change both. Most Marshall's are bright. There are speakers out there that will mellow the top end and still have a nice round bottom and mids. Since this is off topic, that is all I will say.

The real NOS era ended around 1988, but in my books it was 1984. Regardless, NOS or ANOS (Almost New Old Stock) tubes date from the 40's to the 80's. To me, the best one's where made in the late 50's to the mid 70's. For your amp, you would want a slightly hot V1 and a high gain V2. I would say an Amperex in V1 and a Raytheon Black Plate in V2.

I would also recommend that you read up on some of the posts in the Preamp thread. If you have anymore preamp tube questions, please post there as this is a power tube thread.

MartyStrat54 · 09-30-2009, 12:03 AM

I scored a pair of Sylvania Fat Boy 6CA7's. They could be STR tubes. The seller wasn't a tube person and knew very little about them. I got them for less than $70. When they get here, I will know for sure what they are.

custom53 · 09-30-2009, 12:53 AM

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MartyStrat54 · 09-30-2009, 12:50 PM

Welcome aboard Custom53.

MartyStrat54 · 09-30-2009, 01:23 PM

I want to let the Aussie's on this thread know that there is a major tube seller on EBAY from Perth. He has been on EBAY for about three months or so, selling some really nice pre and power tubes. His user name is: angst46.

Look him up and then check out his auctions. Time to get some smokin toobs.

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javier pintos Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mexico Posts: 508	Re: Power tubes?? Who, What, When Where how?? hey i just went by the tube store, and actually liked what i read about the svetlana EL34, anyone has had any experience with them?

09-15-2009, 04:45 PM	#94 (permalink)
RiverRatt Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Between Memphis and Nashville Posts: 7,207	Re: Power tubes?? Who, What, When Where how?? I don't think the Svetlanas are all that bad. My GTEL34M's are drifting like crazy and starting to scare me. I had a pair of Svetlanas handy, so that's what went in. They are a little thin, but the bass boost helped that. I've got the bass and mids on 10 and the treble on 6 or 7 and it sounds pretty good. I've gotten to where I don't even touch the presence control any more. I've really never been in a situation where I needed it with the DSL. Hopefully I'll have some RFT EL34's in it soon and then I won't have to worry about CP tubes for awhile.

09-15-2009, 04:59 PM	#95 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Now in Muskogee, by Tulsa Posts: 18,234	Re: Power tubes?? Who, What, When Where how?? Yeah, but the bottom line is you shouldn't have to use that much bass EQ. You should get some of it naturally from the power tubes. Like a set of RFT's. __________________ MARTY MARTIMUS MAXIMUS ONLINE TUBES AND OTHER STUFFHyperlink Wilder modded JCM 2204 (Sold my JMP to Joe.). Many other amps. Strats and Explorer are my main guitars.

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RiverRatt Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Between Memphis and Nashville Posts: 7,207	Re: Power tubes?? Who, What, When Where how?? I've been living in red channel land for the last week or so. I've been trying out some Tungsram ECC83's I'm selling on eBay, making sure they aren't noisy and can handle the gain. They are a strange lot of tubes - Marty tested them way high, but in the DSL they aren't as high gain as my RCA/RFT combination. Not bad sounding, though. I think I developed a distaste for them when I was using them in my old Laney. The more I think about it, that amp was probably needing a cap job pretty bad - I kept blaming the thin, no-bottom-end tone on tubes. Back to the EQ, I can get a decent JCM800 tone out of the red channel on Ultra Gain 1 with the gain at about 1 o'clock, but it's bright... that's the main reason for the weird settings. I may have a little presence dialed in - I don't really remember. If I'm on the green channel, it's more like 6-6-6. And yes, the bass boost is definitely working. I haven't been able to crank the amp for a few days, and it sounds better with the bass boost at low volume. If I wasn't stuck at the office, I could have had the house to myself for a couple of hours today. That's usually the way it works out. Hey, I forgot to mention: I found a treasure the other day. My wife was going through some old clothes that we had put away in rubbermaid containers years ago (seems like we never throw anything away). She found a Marshall t-shirt that I had gotten at the NAMM show in 2000. It was autographed by Jim Marshall and had the "new" JTM45 RI on the front. That brings my total to 3. For some reason, I didn't even remember having that shirt.

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MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Now in Muskogee, by Tulsa Posts: 18,234	Re: Power tubes?? Who, What, When Where how?? Yeah Joe, just by the shirt off of RATT and save yourself some $$$. __________________ MARTY MARTIMUS MAXIMUS ONLINE TUBES AND OTHER STUFFHyperlink Wilder modded JCM 2204 (Sold my JMP to Joe.). Many other amps. Strats and Explorer are my main guitars.

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thrawn86 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Far Nor Cal Posts: 7,598	Re: Power tubes?? Who, What, When Where how?? A while back I was interested in changing my EL84's, since I got my amp used and thought I should perhaps, but saw no reason as they were in excellent condition. I know Marty chimed in and suggested Ei tubes, and after I gave mine a looksee, that's exactly what I have. I like the sound I have, so does anyone else have an opinion on these? (All I'm running are the original preamp tubes btw) __________________ The grace within our hearts, and the sorrow in our souls -Martimus Maximus Tone Packs - MHD Pickups - OFA Pedals-

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RiverRatt Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Between Memphis and Nashville Posts: 7,207	Re: Power tubes?? Who, What, When Where how?? You might want to take a serious look at Ceriatone. They get a bad rep from the cork-sniffers, but a good friend of mine is a customer of theirs. I've never heard a bad sound come from one of his amps. His Plexi50 (1987) is the voice of God.

09-27-2009, 05:59 PM	#114 (permalink)
builtbychevy Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2	Re: Power tubes?? Who, What, When Where how?? hey guys i have a vintage modern 2266c 50watt preampvalves- 4x ecc83 powerampvalves- 2x kt66 speakers-2x g12c Now for my dilemma... I want that Marshall 1960Dave Mustaine Sig. amp sound. I feel i do not have enough experience with tubes to make an educated decision on this, so i am asking for a recommendation of real high quality/quality-sounding tubes to replace all of the existing factory ones in my 2266.

09-28-2009, 12:19 PM	#115 (permalink)
builtbychevy Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2	Re: Power tubes?? Who, What, When Where how?? Hey I've been looking around allot im not sure what genuine NOS tubes really are. Because there seems to be so many variants claiming NOS, Sovtek, Brimar, made in england made in russia made in germany... its rather confusing. also which would be of higher quality the ones made pre 1990's or post 1990's?

09-30-2009, 12:03 AM	#117 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Now in Muskogee, by Tulsa Posts: 18,234	Re: Power tubes?? Who, What, When Where how?? I scored a pair of Sylvania Fat Boy 6CA7's. They could be STR tubes. The seller wasn't a tube person and knew very little about them. I got them for less than $70. When they get here, I will know for sure what they are. __________________ MARTY MARTIMUS MAXIMUS ONLINE TUBES AND OTHER STUFFHyperlink Wilder modded JCM 2204 (Sold my JMP to Joe.). Many other amps. Strats and Explorer are my main guitars.

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custom53 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,088	Re: Power tubes?? Who, What, When Where, Why, how?? ...

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MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Now in Muskogee, by Tulsa Posts: 18,234	Re: Power tubes?? Who, What, When Where how?? Welcome aboard Custom53. __________________ MARTY MARTIMUS MAXIMUS ONLINE TUBES AND OTHER STUFFHyperlink Wilder modded JCM 2204 (Sold my JMP to Joe.). Many other amps. Strats and Explorer are my main guitars.

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MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Now in Muskogee, by Tulsa Posts: 18,234	Re: Power tubes?? Who, What, When Where how?? I want to let the Aussie's on this thread know that there is a major tube seller on EBAY from Perth. He has been on EBAY for about three months or so, selling some really nice pre and power tubes. His user name is: angst46. Look him up and then check out his auctions. Time to get some smokin toobs. __________________ MARTY MARTIMUS MAXIMUS ONLINE TUBES AND OTHER STUFFHyperlink Wilder modded JCM 2204 (Sold my JMP to Joe.). Many other amps. Strats and Explorer are my main guitars.

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