marshall haze 40 combo

tomguitar1963 · 08-29-2009, 06:31 AM

hi guys aint been here for a while but im back with my new amp heres a pic its a great amp for the money looks cool sounds even better .

poeman33 · 08-29-2009, 07:02 AM

Hope you can post some sound clips

Jesstaa · 08-29-2009, 07:11 AM

Yeah, and if possible, some gut shots (Wanna check out the build quality on this thing)

Fretburner · 09-19-2009, 08:14 AM

Gut shots would be very nice to see!

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Originally Posted by Jesstaa

Yeah, and if possible, some gut shots (Wanna check out the build quality on this thing)

Fretburner · 09-22-2009, 08:59 PM

I picked one up today. Very cool little amp & sounds great! I can't wait to try it out with the band tomorrow night. Here's a few gut shots!

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Originally Posted by Fretburner

Gut shots would be very nice to see!

jcmjmp · 09-22-2009, 10:39 PM

Ouch. That's a lot of surface mount, DSP and specialized chips.
Tiny little filter caps.
Neither the PT or OT have bells on them.
The switches aren't sealed.
I actually heard one this week and thought that it sounded like a cardboard box

Jesstaa · 09-22-2009, 10:46 PM

Those chips turned me right off

And a 66watt speaker? interestingly precise.

MartyStrat54 · 09-23-2009, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jcmjmp

Ouch. That's a lot of surface mount, DSP and specialized chips.
Tiny little filter caps.
Neither the PT or OT have bells on them.
The switches aren't sealed.
I actually heard one this week and thought that it sounded like a cardboard box

I was hoping that this would be an amp that the average tech could work on. It looks like that's not going to be the case. Why would such a simple amp need so much solid state?

The build quality is such because of the price bracket it falls in. They aren't going to go all out on expensive transformers. And yes, the power filters are small.

MartyStrat54 · 09-23-2009, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesstaa

Those chips turned me right off

And a 66watt speaker? interestingly precise.

Actually, it's 66 and 5/8th's watt.

JohnH · 09-23-2009, 02:22 AM

Im not suprised by the internal tech. Its designed using all the modern techniques for electronic production, which permit such devices to be built economicaly, and provide features that could only be dreamed of when the fisrt Marshalls were designed. Although its inspired by some of the classics, its built here in the 21st century.

Unfortunately, that may mean that Grandpa amp-tech cant always fix it at the corner shop when it goes wrong. Thats the way of it these days.

John

Fretburner · 09-23-2009, 05:24 AM

Hey John, Well said! Definitely not built like the older amps and I didn't expect it to be. We are in 2009 and Marshall had to bring something like this in it's lineup to compete with other manufactures at this price point. For $550.00 brand new out the door there is nothing that comes close to the wattage and features this amp has and I'm very satisfied. If I do have problems with it, no big deal for me it does have a warranty and I have other amps. Some guy's may knock but I don't think they are taking the time to tweak the amp and they expect it to sound like a hi gain killer. I hooked up my G-system pedal board

to control the channel switching and have my preset programs and it sounds great for a single 112 and I won't busting my balls carrying a half stack to play small clubs. LOL I've got a super clean, crunch and killer metal sound with the overdrive pushing the front of it when I need it.

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Originally Posted by JohnH

Im not suprised by the internal tech. Its designed using all the modern techniques for electronic production, which permit such devices to be built economicaly, and provide features that could only be dreamed of when the fisrt Marshalls were designed. Although its inspired by some of the classics, its built here in the 21st century.

Unfortunately, that may mean that Grandpa amp-tech cant always fix it at the corner shop when it goes wrong. Thats the way of it these days.

John

Ken · 09-23-2009, 11:02 AM

Marshall reminds me a lot of Ferrari: steeped in mystique and always current with new technologies in the new products. But there are the customers who say the new cars/amps have no "passion" like the mechanical/low tech cars/amps of yesteryear. "I want carburetors and no IC chips"...

Well, go buy a 308 Ferrari instead of a 612, and get a Plexi instead of a Haze...! LOL I like both vintage and modern myself...two different approaches.

Ken

jcmjmp · 09-23-2009, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken

Marshall reminds me a lot of Ferrari: steeped in mystique and always current with new technologies in the new products. But there are the customers who say the new cars/amps have no "passion" like the mechanical/low tech cars/amps of yesteryear. "I want carburetors and no IC chips"...

Well, go buy a 308 Ferrari instead of a 612, and get a Plexi instead of a Haze...! LOL I like both vintage and modern myself...two different approaches.

Ken

My point was that in the low wattage market, the Vox Night Train and Orange Tiny Terror are very affordable, sound amazing and they don't need to cheap out on parts like Marshall.

This is more of a features vs cost debate. They could have reduced the number of features and build in a little more quality/durability IMO.

Only time will tell how these things hold up.

Frankie · 09-23-2009, 03:55 PM

Holy crap! I was thinking about getting one, but that's pretty damn complex. I'm kinda turned off now.

Edit - No choke? WTF Marshall?

Ken · 09-23-2009, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcmjmp

My point was that in the low wattage market, the Vox Night Train and Orange Tiny Terror are very affordable, sound amazing and they don't need to cheap out on parts like Marshall.

This is more of a features vs cost debate. They could have reduced the number of features and build in a little more quality/durability IMO.

Only time will tell how these things hold up.

I haven't played a Haze yet so I can't say about sound, but my point was a reaction to those pics!! I went "YIPE" when I saw all the chips, but then realized this is the 21st century and Marshall is using modern engineering. Albeit on the cheap side?

Ken

jamesm · 09-24-2009, 03:53 AM

Heres a little background on the internals of the Haze.

The surface mount components you see are all on one, small effects DSP, much like you would find in a delay or reverb pedal. From a servicing point of view, these rarely go wrong, but can be replace with a new plug in board, so should be no more complicated to replace than a valve.

Apart from that, there are only 2 more integrated circuits. These control the switching. The other black boxes you can see are relays, which switch the signals to change channels. These contain the same "stuff" as a switch on the front panel, but can be changed by the footswitch. Each of these is controlled by a transistor, but that is not in the signal path.

With the effects and loop switched off, the signal never goes near a lump of silicon.

Fretburner · 09-24-2009, 05:01 AM

Thanks for that info.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesm

Heres a little background on the internals of the Haze.

The surface mount components you see are all on one, small effects DSP, much like you would find in a delay or reverb pedal. From a servicing point of view, these rarely go wrong, but can be replace with a new plug in board, so should be no more complicated to replace than a valve.

Apart from that, there are only 2 more integrated circuits. These control the switching. The other black boxes you can see are relays, which switch the signals to change channels. These contain the same "stuff" as a switch on the front panel, but can be changed by the footswitch. Each of these is controlled by a transistor, but that is not in the signal path.

With the effects and loop switched off, the signal never goes near a lump of silicon.

jcmjmp · 09-24-2009, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesm

Heres a little background on the internals of the Haze.

The surface mount components you see are all on one, small effects DSP, much like you would find in a delay or reverb pedal. From a servicing point of view, these rarely go wrong, but can be replace with a new plug in board, so should be no more complicated to replace than a valve.

I see more than 1 SM device on there and DSP chips can become obsolete. Worst case, you yank that thing out.

Frankie · 09-24-2009, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken

I haven't played a Haze yet so I can't say about sound, but my point was a reaction to those pics!! I went "YIPE" when I saw all the chips, but then realized this is the 21st century and Marshall is using modern engineering. Albeit on the cheap side?

Ken

You know, I'd normally be okay with that, but honestly they didn't need to make it that complicated, especially for a vintage-type sound like that amp produces. Look at the Vox AC30CC for example. It's modern, mass produced in China, and uses a PCB, but anybody could easily pick out the components on that board. I'm definitely not buying a Haze, that thing looks like it could catch fire!

jamesm · 09-24-2009, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcmjmp

I see more than 1 SM device on there and DSP chips can become obsolete. Worst case, you yank that thing out.

Yes I made a typo there, I meant 1 small DSP BOARD. One missed word...

James

JohnH · 09-24-2009, 04:59 PM

I think it is absolutely great that jamesm comes on this forum to support and explain the amp that he designed - and I think it is starting to become clear that this amp is well designed indeed. +++++!

John

jcmjmp · 09-24-2009, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnH

I think it is absolutely great that jamesm comes on this forum to support and explain the amp that he designed - and I think it is starting to become clear that this amp is well designed indeed. +++++!

John

Huh? jamesm designed the Haze? And his coming on this forum automatically makes the amp "well designed"?

Ths DSP stuff is all over the new Marshall gear. From a design perspective, the designers have little say in terms of whether DSP make it in or not (Ref. Vintage Modern). The product has to have x amount of feature at whatever price point they set. End of discussion. The Haze could have been a great little amp if htey had ditched the on-board effects crap. It just cheapens the whole product IMO.

If I wanted DSP and ADA conversion, I'd get a POD, some rack gear or whatever... Typically, you buy a tube amp because you appreciate 100% analog.

Is the DSP bypassable?

Hey, there's nothing wrong with DSP, BTW. It has its applications and they can be real powerful devices.

jcmjmp · 09-24-2009, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

Look at the Vox AC30CC for example. It's modern, mass produced in China, and uses a PCB, but anybody could easily pick out the components on that board. I'm definitely not buying a Haze, that thing looks like it could catch fire!

Yup - Excellent example. Solid product, awesome tone, quality PCBs and parts thorughout (except for that paper thin tolex).

I love my AC30CC2

JohnH · 09-24-2009, 07:26 PM

As has been stated in many threads including this one and in Marshall literature, the digital effects are completely bypassable. James states above that when effects are bypassed, the signal path is 100% tube.

Fretburner · 09-25-2009, 06:01 AM

UPDATE: Used it last night with the band. It sounds awesome! I'm very satisfied!

Ken · 09-25-2009, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcmjmp

Huh? jamesm designed the Haze? And his coming on this forum automatically makes the amp "well designed"?

Ths DSP stuff is all over the new Marshall gear. From a design perspective, the designers have little say in terms of whether DSP make it in or not (Ref. Vintage Modern). The product has to have x amount of feature at whatever price point they set. End of discussion. The Haze could have been a great little amp if htey had ditched the on-board effects crap. It just cheapens the whole product IMO.

.

This leads one to believe Marshall's marketing department has more influence than the engineers, which is good for profits but bad for more discerning customers. Marshall obviously had this amp designed for younger players with limited budgets, who would want the most bang for their buck.

Older musicians and pros with unlimited budgets want a different kind of product. They want simplicity from the amp and will add on whatever effects they decide they need. Marshall obviously doesn't think they'd sell as many amps taking this approach and they may be right!

The fact all that extra stuff is out of the signal path when bypassed is a smart compromise and a good design. The negative comments about all the electronics aren't warrented when one learns that. I myself went "yipe"...so Marshall should really emphasize that the signal path is pure tube!

Ken

BCnSTL · 09-25-2009, 03:13 PM

Found this new-ish clip on YouTube:

YouTube - Ken Stanton Music Marshall Haze Demo

I'd say it's a decent representation of what the Haze 15 sounds like IME.

the_best_of_fools · 09-30-2009, 01:43 PM

How would you compare the Haze 15 to the 40? Is there a big difference in sound? I haven't had a chance to try one out yet. I'm really looking for that JCM800 sound and I'd think the 40 would come closer with its 3xECC83 and 2xEL34. Or am I wrong?

Also, the fact that there's no Master volume is kind of a turn off for me since I don't see the purpose of building a practice amp that can't be played at low volume and still offer all the signature sounds it was designed for.

Thanks,
tbof

MajorWatt · 10-06-2009, 01:22 AM

Sounds pretty cool... Have to test drive one soon.

srv · 10-22-2009, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesm

Heres a little background on the internals of the Haze.

The surface mount components you see are all on one, small effects DSP, much like you would find in a delay or reverb pedal. From a servicing point of view, these rarely go wrong, but can be replace with a new plug in board, so should be no more complicated to replace than a valve.

Apart from that, there are only 2 more integrated circuits. These control the switching. The other black boxes you can see are relays, which switch the signals to change channels. These contain the same "stuff" as a switch on the front panel, but can be changed by the footswitch. Each of these is controlled by a transistor, but that is not in the signal path.

With the effects and loop switched off, the signal never goes near a lump of silicon.

What do you know about the loud pop I am now experiencing when switching channels? I have not tried completely turning off the effects section but will tonight. This seems to be a fairly widespread problem if you check the forums.
I have already had to take the amp in to have one of the 12AX7's replaced. Talk on the forums is that the pop leads to death of the amp. Will my very capable repair guy be able to get the info \ parts to fix this? Or is a return to the factory it's only hope of a happy healthy life?

Not what I expected when I bought an amp with the Marshall logo.

Glad I still have a Vox VT30 so I don't have to go acoustic!

08-29-2009, 07:02 AM	#2 (permalink)
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08-29-2009, 07:11 AM	#3 (permalink)
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09-22-2009, 10:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
jcmjmp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,345	Re: marshall haze 40 combo Ouch. That's a lot of surface mount, DSP and specialized chips. Tiny little filter caps. Neither the PT or OT have bells on them. The switches aren't sealed. I actually heard one this week and thought that it sounded like a cardboard box

09-22-2009, 10:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jesstaa Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Gippsland, Vic, Australia. Posts: 801	Re: marshall haze 40 combo Those chips turned me right off And a 66watt speaker? interestingly precise. __________________ GEAR LIST Marshall JCM900 4100 (6L6) (1995) Marshall Valvestate 1965A cab (????) Cort VX-2V (2008) TUBES/SPEAKERS Power: Groove Tube 6L6GCB Phase Inverter: Sovtek 7025 Pre: V1 - N.O.S Mullard ECC83. V2 National 12AX7A Speakers: Celestion G10L-35 Marshall forever My tube amp & Real Music appreciation forum

09-23-2009, 02:22 AM	#10 (permalink)
JohnH Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 640	Re: marshall haze 40 combo Im not suprised by the internal tech. Its designed using all the modern techniques for electronic production, which permit such devices to be built economicaly, and provide features that could only be dreamed of when the fisrt Marshalls were designed. Although its inspired by some of the classics, its built here in the 21st century. Unfortunately, that may mean that Grandpa amp-tech cant always fix it at the corner shop when it goes wrong. Thats the way of it these days. John __________________ DSL401 8412 cab Crate Powerblock 1 x 12 Vintage 30 cab '76 Shergold Masquerader '93 Les Paul Studio '83 Roadstar

09-23-2009, 11:02 AM	#12 (permalink)
Ken Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington Heights, IL Posts: 607	Re: marshall haze 40 combo Marshall reminds me a lot of Ferrari: steeped in mystique and always current with new technologies in the new products. But there are the customers who say the new cars/amps have no "passion" like the mechanical/low tech cars/amps of yesteryear. "I want carburetors and no IC chips"... Well, go buy a 308 Ferrari instead of a 612, and get a Plexi instead of a Haze...! LOL I like both vintage and modern myself...two different approaches. Ken

09-23-2009, 03:55 PM	#14 (permalink)
Frankie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 362	Re: marshall haze 40 combo Holy crap! I was thinking about getting one, but that's pretty damn complex. I'm kinda turned off now. Edit - No choke? WTF Marshall? __________________ w w w . c o w b o y m a f i a . n e t Myspace.com \| YouTube \| Facebook

09-24-2009, 03:53 AM	#16 (permalink)
jamesm Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bletchley Posts: 5	Re: marshall haze 40 combo Heres a little background on the internals of the Haze. The surface mount components you see are all on one, small effects DSP, much like you would find in a delay or reverb pedal. From a servicing point of view, these rarely go wrong, but can be replace with a new plug in board, so should be no more complicated to replace than a valve. Apart from that, there are only 2 more integrated circuits. These control the switching. The other black boxes you can see are relays, which switch the signals to change channels. These contain the same "stuff" as a switch on the front panel, but can be changed by the footswitch. Each of these is controlled by a transistor, but that is not in the signal path. With the effects and loop switched off, the signal never goes near a lump of silicon.

09-24-2009, 04:59 PM	#21 (permalink)
JohnH Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 640	Re: marshall haze 40 combo I think it is absolutely great that jamesm comes on this forum to support and explain the amp that he designed - and I think it is starting to become clear that this amp is well designed indeed. +++++! John __________________ DSL401 8412 cab Crate Powerblock 1 x 12 Vintage 30 cab '76 Shergold Masquerader '93 Les Paul Studio '83 Roadstar

09-24-2009, 07:26 PM	#24 (permalink)
JohnH Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 640	Re: marshall haze 40 combo As has been stated in many threads including this one and in Marshall literature, the digital effects are completely bypassable. James states above that when effects are bypassed, the signal path is 100% tube. __________________ DSL401 8412 cab Crate Powerblock 1 x 12 Vintage 30 cab '76 Shergold Masquerader '93 Les Paul Studio '83 Roadstar

09-25-2009, 06:01 AM	#25 (permalink)
Fretburner Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 8	Re: marshall haze 40 combo UPDATE: Used it last night with the band. It sounds awesome! I'm very satisfied!

09-30-2009, 01:43 PM	#28 (permalink)
the_best_of_fools Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 7	Re: marshall haze 40 combo How would you compare the Haze 15 to the 40? Is there a big difference in sound? I haven't had a chance to try one out yet. I'm really looking for that JCM800 sound and I'd think the 40 would come closer with its 3xECC83 and 2xEL34. Or am I wrong? Also, the fact that there's no Master volume is kind of a turn off for me since I don't see the purpose of building a practice amp that can't be played at low volume and still offer all the signature sounds it was designed for. Thanks, tbof

10-06-2009, 01:22 AM	#29 (permalink)
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