JVM or DSL or TSL

feedback · 02-18-2008, 08:04 AM

THinking of getting a marsahll AMP

DSL 401 seem affordable and TSL601 seem great...and the new JVM 50Watt combo

but does the 2x12 sound better then 1x12.

What the main different " sound wise" - clean and dist.....for the DSL vs TSL vs JVM

***Adwex*** · 02-18-2008, 11:43 AM

A 2x12 will pretty much always sound better than a 1x12. Why? Because 2 is twice as good as 1.

I've heard bad things about the JCM2000 combo amps, they have problems with overheating.

I can't comment on the JVM, but I've heard many people say the DSL sounds better than the TSL. Personally, I would stay away from the TSL, it's a complicated amp with too many things that can break. The cool thing about it though is that it has 3 channels, so you can have clean, rhythm, and lead.

AXEL · 02-18-2008, 04:24 PM

The DSL 401 uses EL84 tubes, the TSL I believe uses 6L6. They sound completely different. I believe (but am not sure) the 401 also has a solid state preamp. In either case, I haven't heard a lot of good reviews on the 401. Get the TSL or (even better) a DSL 50 head and a 2 x 12 bottom (which is what I use).

lennon08 · 02-19-2008, 12:46 PM

I have a TSL 2000 602 and love it. I have the extension cabinet and it rocks. I use a Keeley Katana boost for the cleans and it really warms it up. I highly recommend it.

Good luck!

feedback · 02-20-2008, 09:04 AM

What sort of gain can i get from the TSL 602 ??

High gain???

I m into high gain stuff..

CAN IT rock like slash tone or some slayer grind?

lennon08 · 02-20-2008, 09:11 AM

It seems to get what I need. You just really have to mess with the settings. I think the amp sounds a ton better with the extension cabinet. Not a big fan of just the combo alone. The extra cab really brings it to life.

I think you can get pretty Metal with it. I don't think Mayhem would be possible though.

Good luck!

feedback · 02-20-2008, 10:13 AM

Was think maybe - i should get a AMP head and a 2x12 cab.
Will it rock??
This is my first time getting an full amp.
Used to own a 5150 comb0.

Does the TSL sound good at low volume?

lennon08 · 02-20-2008, 10:31 AM

I love my TSL. It will rock. The cleans are good, better with the Keeley Katana. I have been asking why everyone dogs these. The only answer I get is that they are very busy in the electronics department. I have had zero problems with it overheating. I have been told my Andrews Amp Lab in Atlanta that the 602 combo is the best of the series. I trust Jeff, he really knows his stuff. These come cheap on Ebay and I saw that Sam Ash had dropped their price to make room for new stock.

I just bought a Dr Z mini head last week and I like the Marshall a lot better. I would never tell the wife that though.

lennon08 · 02-20-2008, 10:32 AM

Oh yeah, crank the master and adjust the channel and you are good to go. I think it sounds great at low volumes. The cleans sound better a little on the cranked side so a booster helps there.

feedback · 02-20-2008, 10:50 AM

But i dont stay in the state.
I m staying in asia -
Have inquire the price of the TSL602 - it seem afford over here
USD 1 = SGD1.45
They are selling the TSL602 at 1800 SGD and the TSL601 at 1650SGD
FOR DSL401 at 1300 SGD...

But been think about the JVM 50 watt combo.......drooling on that..

Rallius · 02-20-2008, 11:07 PM

this may seem like a dumb question, but is the dsl the same as the tsl just with more channels? if it's different whats different about it? I'd like to get a combo unit some time soon.

lennon08 · 02-21-2008, 06:19 PM

The TSL has more channels. Some believe there is too much going on the inside of the TSL. There have been issues of it overheating. I can tell you, I have no issues on. I leave my TSL on for hours and have never had an issue. I was told by by Jeff at Andrews Amp Lab that the TSL 602 was the most realiable of the series.

I love mine!

feedback · 02-21-2008, 06:37 PM

SAW THE 100W JVM --so tempted to get it ....
Was thinking ---will it sound good at bed room level - ( ERM dont think so)
as the only time that i m free to play guitar is around 11pm to 2am
Think it will blast the hell out......

Will the TSL 602 sound good at low bed room level ?????

lennon08 · 02-21-2008, 08:16 PM

I think the TSL sounds great at low volumes. You can crank the master and lower the volume on which ever channel you are on and you are good to go.

I really think this amp gets the shaft. I have been searching for something versitle for many years and I am completely happy. I own a Dr Z mini head and would sell way before I got rid of the Marshall.

Good luck!

Peter Brewsky · 02-23-2008, 08:27 AM

JVM´s the best!!! The first marshall what doesn´t need any extra overdrive or distortions... But with boss SD-1 it turns into shredding monster... And the clean sound is unbelieveble, but so it is in tsl and dsl and any other fulltube marshalls...

Rallius · 02-24-2008, 09:01 PM

I spent some time last week playing the jvm and the dsl 401. I even played the dsl through the jvm speakers. The JVM has a lot more presence to it's sound. I'm going to save up for a JVM instead of getting the dsl. I haven't found a tsl to try out.

feedback · 02-25-2008, 08:57 AM

Well -- i m actually looking at the JVM

JVM > TSL > DSL

Seem what what the JVM can do the TSL or DSL cant

AXEL · 02-25-2008, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rallius

I spent some time last week playing the jvm and the dsl 401. I even played the dsl through the jvm speakers. The JVM has a lot more presence to it's sound. I'm going to save up for a JVM instead of getting the dsl. I haven't found a tsl to try out.

Ummm, I mentioned this already in this thread, I'll say it again.
The 401 is not typically what people talk about when they are thinking DSL. Unless you have made a mistake and are in fact playing a DSL JCM2000 which is the DSL commonly refered too when talking about the EL34 driv'in DSL (50 or 100 watt) head. Otherwise please do not confuse the 401 which is transtube and uses EL84's.

mattlocked · 03-11-2008, 06:35 AM

Hi,

I have a TSL 602 and I'm absolutely delighted with it. The versatility of this amp is incredible and you can get a wide range of tones without using additional effects. The only thing I don't like is the Fx-loop, when you hook up a multieffects or delay/flanger/whatever the loop weakens the effect and it practically goes unnoticed (maybe I'm doing something wrong but I have tried several configurations to no avail). If you're using this amp for home rehearsal I strongly recommend the use of an attenuator to be able to get the sweet tube overdrive at "civilized" volumes. The best option I've found is this device a guy sells on ebay (search "omnisonic") 20 bucks or so.

Use this amp with a proper gibson les paul and you're well on your way to slash-like sound.

BTW, anyone using the extension cabine for the tsl602, is it worth in terms of sound quality? I recall the speakers are different from the stock wolverines in the tsl 602.

warreng · 03-11-2008, 07:28 AM

I've been playing a vintage originla bluesbreaker but have retired it becuase it was getting wrecked thru gigging and its worth too much damn money to knock it about 3 or 4 times a week out of the back off a van.

I had the same dilema as you and opted for the JVM410h with two 1960AV 4x12 cabs. All I can say is that it is awesome. I spent months demo-ing tons of amps and the JVM shone thru, plus, I managed to get rid of my effects board too, what a touch.

Gotta be the JVM everytime.

coldsteal2 · 03-12-2008, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AXEL

Ummm, I mentioned this already in this thread, I'll say it again.
The 401 is not typically what people talk about when they are thinking DSL. Unless you have made a mistake and are in fact playing a DSL JCM2000 which is the DSL commonly refered too when talking about the EL34 driv'in DSL (50 or 100 watt) head. Otherwise please do not confuse the 401 which is transtube and uses EL84's.

Hold on

The DSL 401 is a DSL JCM2000, thats why in big letters is says JCM2000-DSL 401 dual super lead.
DSL 401 isnt Transtube, its 100% tube.
It has four ECC83's (ATX7's) and four EL84's, i know because i replaced
them all with JJ tubes.
Preamp wise they are pretty close to the same as the other DSL's minus
the Deep Boost and Tone Shift, the main difference is the EL34 power output stage.

I know Peavy and Vox have transtube amps
but i dont know any Marshalls that are transtube,

The 401 sounds pretty great through a 4 12 cab even on low volume

YouTube - Marshall DSL 401 combo through 4 12" cab

.

lennon08 · 03-12-2008, 09:24 PM

I have the JCM 2000 extension cab. It really is worth it especially seeing that they can be picked up used much cheaper than they were new. I think it really adds a ton of toneage that can not be neat.

GeeJay · 03-14-2008, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AXEL

The DSL 401 uses EL84 tubes, the TSL I believe uses 6L6. They sound completely different. I believe (but am not sure) the 401 also has a solid state preamp. In either case, I haven't heard a lot of good reviews on the 401. Get the TSL or (even better) a DSL 50 head and a 2 x 12 bottom (which is what I use).

The TSL 601 uses a pair EL34 in the power amp and does sound different to the DSL 401. The 401 is softer and in my view better suited to blues and classic rock. The 601 on the other hand has more of a hard rock sound, but both sound like Marshalls.

As Coldsteel says the 401 is an all tube design, with three 12AX7s in the gain stages and another 12AX7 as an inverter. The signal path is really quite simple. I changed my power amp tubes to JJ's when one of the Ei tubes died. I also changed the inverter tube and position 3 in the pre-amp to JJs. I prefer the Marshall pre-amp tubes in Pos 1 & 2, just gives the OD sounds a bit more 'edge'.

I couldn't be happier with the sounds I get from my 401. I usually just plug a Les Paul directly into it and away.

The last time I tried a 601, I liked that too, again with Les Paul. And when I tried a 1974x I liked that too... Hmm I must be a Marshall floosey..

stryker59 · 03-14-2008, 08:07 PM

jvm baby!!

bowhunterwt · 03-17-2008, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AXEL

The DSL 401 uses EL84 tubes, the TSL I believe uses 6L6. They sound completely different. I believe (but am not sure) the 401 also has a solid state preamp. In either case, I haven't heard a lot of good reviews on the 401. Get the TSL or (even better) a DSL 50 head and a 2 x 12 bottom (which is what I use).

The 401 doesn't have a solid state preamp it has 12ax7 tubes or something like that, I know I own one. The 401 is an okay amp I never had any problem of overheating I just wish it had a presence control.

feedback · 03-20-2008, 12:18 AM

what that beast doing in my house

coldsteal2 · 03-20-2008, 03:44 PM

nice amps guys

Spirit Dave · 03-21-2008, 04:57 AM

I love my DSL

Nothing will pry me away ... and I have used the other amps ... in fact, I owned a TSL60 head ... I played the JVM ... probably didn't give it a chance, but I just can't imagine needing another amp yet ... because my DSL suits my style PERFECT!

Love it

fatfinger · 03-27-2008, 10:08 PM

I had a JVM , thinking it would be the end - all search for the best marshall sound. I found it was like have presets on a solid state amp. All the channels sounded best with the gain and eq set at the noon position. There was very little difference in the sounds of each when i backed off the volume on my les paul as well. It felt almost like I was playing through one of those pods. Change the channel and take what you get. Bought a Mesa Roadster head and for the first time in over 20 years of playing, I know what a real tube kick a$$ amp sounds and feels like. $1899.00. Same as the JVM 2. My other head is a 5150. I still want to pick up a Marshall head for their specific tone, but I don't know which one to start looking at.

coldsteal2 · 03-28-2008, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spirit Dave

I love my DSL

Nothing will pry me away ... and I have used the other amps ... in fact, I owned a TSL60 head ... I played the JVM ... probably didn't give it a chance, but I just can't imagine needing another amp yet ... because my DSL suits my style PERFECT!

Love it

Do you have the 100 or the 50? you have my interest now
i have never tried a DSL head,

02-18-2008, 08:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
feedback Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 9	JVM or DSL or TSL THinking of getting a marsahll AMP DSL 401 seem affordable and TSL601 seem great...and the new JVM 50Watt combo but does the 2x12 sound better then 1x12. What the main different " sound wise" - clean and dist.....for the DSL vs TSL vs JVM

02-18-2008, 11:43 AM	#2 (permalink)
*Adwex* Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 1,631	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL A 2x12 will pretty much always sound better than a 1x12. Why? Because 2 is twice as good as 1. I've heard bad things about the JCM2000 combo amps, they have problems with overheating. I can't comment on the JVM, but I've heard many people say the DSL sounds better than the TSL. Personally, I would stay away from the TSL, it's a complicated amp with too many things that can break. The cool thing about it though is that it has 3 channels, so you can have clean, rhythm, and lead. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/MarshallLesPaul

02-18-2008, 04:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
AXEL Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 7	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL The DSL 401 uses EL84 tubes, the TSL I believe uses 6L6. They sound completely different. I believe (but am not sure) the 401 also has a solid state preamp. In either case, I haven't heard a lot of good reviews on the 401. Get the TSL or (even better) a DSL 50 head and a 2 x 12 bottom (which is what I use).

02-19-2008, 12:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
lennon08 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 17	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL I have a TSL 2000 602 and love it. I have the extension cabinet and it rocks. I use a Keeley Katana boost for the cleans and it really warms it up. I highly recommend it. Good luck!

02-20-2008, 09:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
feedback Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 9	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL What sort of gain can i get from the TSL 602 ?? High gain??? I m into high gain stuff.. CAN IT rock like slash tone or some slayer grind?

02-20-2008, 09:11 AM	#6 (permalink)
lennon08 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 17	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL It seems to get what I need. You just really have to mess with the settings. I think the amp sounds a ton better with the extension cabinet. Not a big fan of just the combo alone. The extra cab really brings it to life. I think you can get pretty Metal with it. I don't think Mayhem would be possible though. Good luck!

02-20-2008, 10:13 AM	#7 (permalink)
feedback Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 9	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL Was think maybe - i should get a AMP head and a 2x12 cab. Will it rock?? This is my first time getting an full amp. Used to own a 5150 comb0. Does the TSL sound good at low volume?

02-20-2008, 10:31 AM	#8 (permalink)
lennon08 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 17	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL I love my TSL. It will rock. The cleans are good, better with the Keeley Katana. I have been asking why everyone dogs these. The only answer I get is that they are very busy in the electronics department. I have had zero problems with it overheating. I have been told my Andrews Amp Lab in Atlanta that the 602 combo is the best of the series. I trust Jeff, he really knows his stuff. These come cheap on Ebay and I saw that Sam Ash had dropped their price to make room for new stock. I just bought a Dr Z mini head last week and I like the Marshall a lot better. I would never tell the wife that though.

02-20-2008, 10:32 AM	#9 (permalink)
lennon08 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 17	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL Oh yeah, crank the master and adjust the channel and you are good to go. I think it sounds great at low volumes. The cleans sound better a little on the cranked side so a booster helps there.

02-20-2008, 10:50 AM	#10 (permalink)
feedback Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 9	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL But i dont stay in the state. I m staying in asia - Have inquire the price of the TSL602 - it seem afford over here USD 1 = SGD1.45 They are selling the TSL602 at 1800 SGD and the TSL601 at 1650SGD FOR DSL401 at 1300 SGD... But been think about the JVM 50 watt combo.......drooling on that..

02-20-2008, 11:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
Rallius Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL this may seem like a dumb question, but is the dsl the same as the tsl just with more channels? if it's different whats different about it? I'd like to get a combo unit some time soon.

02-21-2008, 06:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
lennon08 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 17	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL The TSL has more channels. Some believe there is too much going on the inside of the TSL. There have been issues of it overheating. I can tell you, I have no issues on. I leave my TSL on for hours and have never had an issue. I was told by by Jeff at Andrews Amp Lab that the TSL 602 was the most realiable of the series. I love mine!

02-21-2008, 06:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
feedback Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 9	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL SAW THE 100W JVM --so tempted to get it .... Was thinking ---will it sound good at bed room level - ( ERM dont think so) as the only time that i m free to play guitar is around 11pm to 2am Think it will blast the hell out...... Will the TSL 602 sound good at low bed room level ?????

02-21-2008, 08:16 PM	#14 (permalink)
lennon08 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 17	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL I think the TSL sounds great at low volumes. You can crank the master and lower the volume on which ever channel you are on and you are good to go. I really think this amp gets the shaft. I have been searching for something versitle for many years and I am completely happy. I own a Dr Z mini head and would sell way before I got rid of the Marshall. Good luck!

02-23-2008, 08:27 AM	#15 (permalink)
Peter Brewsky Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 6	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL JVM´s the best!!! The first marshall what doesn´t need any extra overdrive or distortions... But with boss SD-1 it turns into shredding monster... And the clean sound is unbelieveble, but so it is in tsl and dsl and any other fulltube marshalls...

02-24-2008, 09:01 PM	#16 (permalink)
Rallius Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL I spent some time last week playing the jvm and the dsl 401. I even played the dsl through the jvm speakers. The JVM has a lot more presence to it's sound. I'm going to save up for a JVM instead of getting the dsl. I haven't found a tsl to try out.

02-25-2008, 08:57 AM	#17 (permalink)
feedback Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 9	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL Well -- i m actually looking at the JVM JVM > TSL > DSL Seem what what the JVM can do the TSL or DSL cant

03-11-2008, 06:35 AM	#19 (permalink)
mattlocked Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL Hi, I have a TSL 602 and I'm absolutely delighted with it. The versatility of this amp is incredible and you can get a wide range of tones without using additional effects. The only thing I don't like is the Fx-loop, when you hook up a multieffects or delay/flanger/whatever the loop weakens the effect and it practically goes unnoticed (maybe I'm doing something wrong but I have tried several configurations to no avail). If you're using this amp for home rehearsal I strongly recommend the use of an attenuator to be able to get the sweet tube overdrive at "civilized" volumes. The best option I've found is this device a guy sells on ebay (search "omnisonic") 20 bucks or so. Use this amp with a proper gibson les paul and you're well on your way to slash-like sound. BTW, anyone using the extension cabine for the tsl602, is it worth in terms of sound quality? I recall the speakers are different from the stock wolverines in the tsl 602.

03-11-2008, 07:28 AM	#20 (permalink)
warreng Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL I've been playing a vintage originla bluesbreaker but have retired it becuase it was getting wrecked thru gigging and its worth too much damn money to knock it about 3 or 4 times a week out of the back off a van. I had the same dilema as you and opted for the JVM410h with two 1960AV 4x12 cabs. All I can say is that it is awesome. I spent months demo-ing tons of amps and the JVM shone thru, plus, I managed to get rid of my effects board too, what a touch. Gotta be the JVM everytime.

03-12-2008, 09:24 PM	#22 (permalink)
lennon08 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 17	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL I have the JCM 2000 extension cab. It really is worth it especially seeing that they can be picked up used much cheaper than they were new. I think it really adds a ton of toneage that can not be neat.

03-14-2008, 08:07 PM	#24 (permalink)
stryker59 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: staunton, va Posts: 764	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL jvm baby!! __________________ *you've been weighed, measured, and found wanting!*

03-20-2008, 12:18 AM	#26 (permalink)
feedback Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 9	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL what that beast doing in my house

03-20-2008, 03:44 PM	#27 (permalink)
coldsteal2 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chico, CA Posts: 1,555	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL nice amps guys __________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/kroftkarl http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...&content=music

03-21-2008, 04:57 AM	#28 (permalink)
Spirit Dave Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK Posts: 32	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL I love my DSL Nothing will pry me away ... and I have used the other amps ... in fact, I owned a TSL60 head ... I played the JVM ... probably didn't give it a chance, but I just can't imagine needing another amp yet ... because my DSL suits my style PERFECT! Love it __________________ Guitar: Gibson Les Paul Standard - Seymour Duncan Alnico II Pro Neck / DiMarzio Super Distortion Bridge Amplifier: Marshall JCM 2000 DSL 100 Cabinet: Marshall JCM900 Lead 1960 4x12" Visit my band page : www.spiritofthestate.com : for music

03-27-2008, 10:08 PM	#29 (permalink)
fatfinger Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1	Re: JVM or DSL or TSL I had a JVM , thinking it would be the end - all search for the best marshall sound. I found it was like have presets on a solid state amp. All the channels sounded best with the gain and eq set at the noon position. There was very little difference in the sounds of each when i backed off the volume on my les paul as well. It felt almost like I was playing through one of those pods. Change the channel and take what you get. Bought a Mesa Roadster head and for the first time in over 20 years of playing, I know what a real tube kick a$$ amp sounds and feels like. $1899.00. Same as the JVM 2. My other head is a 5150. I still want to pick up a Marshall head for their specific tone, but I don't know which one to start looking at.

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