Storing a Marshall Valve Combo

Foxy · 07-20-2009, 10:39 AM

I'm currently amp shopping (and having great fun doing so!!) and was wondering if it would be safe to store a valve combo on it's side?

Reason being is that the wife has granted me a whole (small) cupboard to myself (lucky me) for my music equipment, so not enough room for a stack, perfect fit for a 1x12(I'm thinking of a DSL401), OR a good fit for a 2x12 (preferably a JVM) IF I stand it on it's side.

Is is safe to do so or would storing it on it's side like that cause problems with the valves?

I'd love to get the JVM if I can because I prefer the sound of a 2x12. But I dont want to get it if the only way I can store it will damage it/lead to problems. I love the sound of DSL401 so will happily plump for that instead if need be. I could always get a 2x12 cab for the DSL at a later date (I'm assuming it's perfectly fine to stand a cab on it's side?).

Cheers!

Steve

Foxy · 07-21-2009, 03:43 AM

Nobody here knows? :-(

Jesstaa · 07-21-2009, 03:46 AM

I don't see why it'd do any damage, so long as the tubes are strapped in tightly.

steelhorse · 07-21-2009, 04:18 AM

A simple question that a simple answer should suffice. Are the components on their side? No. ok then.

For brief periods there should be no harm, however, it was NOT designed to be in that position for long periods of time.

Be a man, tell the wife where you're going to keep it -upright-

Foxy · 07-21-2009, 05:10 AM

Thanks guys :-)

Steelhorse - I tried that tack with the missus, she didn't take too kindly too it! I've slowly but surely been filling the apartment with my gear over the last few years and she's only recently started to notice that I suddenly seem to have acquired 5 times as much gear as I once had!

I think I'll have to go for the DSL401 as that'll fit perfectly in what little space I have left.

I'm thinking I'll get a 2x12 cab and stand that on it's side with the 401 on top of it (the correct way up). That should do the job!

steelhorse · 07-21-2009, 05:29 AM

I hear ya foxy.

My situation is slightly different. I threaten an expansion of both gear AND home if I hear complaints. Suddenly the bank balances look much better than my tomfoolery!

PaoloJM · 07-21-2009, 05:46 AM

Every man should have a room or well appointed shed for his own space.
This room should be full of music gear, power tools you rarely use and posters of hot chicks.
Tell her that it really helps you think and contemplate, and ultimatley will help you communicate better, improving your marriage and helping you to bond in a closer, more loving relationship.
Women love to hear that sh*te.

Foxy · 07-21-2009, 05:59 AM

Hahaha! Thanks for the support guys! Your comments have made my morning!

I've been pushing this for years but she's a stubborn old thing, gawd bless her! I'll keep working on it!

Australian · 07-21-2009, 09:53 AM

Play by the rules at first Foxy, but give it a few weeks and she might not even mind it sitting by the TV in the lounge. Patience is a virtue-always have a plan.

indeedido · 07-21-2009, 10:11 AM

I never tell my wife when I buy something. It just shows up one day on the front porch. She's gotten used to it now.

Foxy · 07-21-2009, 10:57 AM

Hmmm... Now that I think about it, there IS a bit of extra space in her walk-in closet...

Australian · 07-21-2009, 11:12 AM

poeman33 · 07-21-2009, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by indeedido

I never tell my wife when I buy something. It just shows up one day on the front porch. She's gotten used to it now.

And then one day...all your clothes and your guitars will be on the front porch and the locks changed. She'll keep the Marshall's just to spite you

Australian · 07-21-2009, 11:33 AM

And at the end of the day who wins? Marshall, with all the room it needs.

rich88uk · 07-21-2009, 11:47 AM

kick the wife out and then you can have a whole house full of em

Australian · 07-23-2009, 05:14 AM

Let us know what the outcome is.

Foxy · 07-23-2009, 05:24 AM

Hehehe Will do

ptate · 07-23-2009, 06:08 AM

Sorry to ignore the "wife baiting" (love to join in). However, back to business.

Electricity doesn't see gravity as being an issue generally, plus most components are firmly fixed in place. Your valves can have clips applied to make sure they stay still.

Reason I know it isn't an issue, is I installed a 1952 Chicago Music Corp amp in a home made case. The amp had to move from being a horizontal application, to vertical, so it would fit. I put some tube retainers in and, since then, it's been used a great amount with no problems (and believe me a rats nest is tidier than the wiring on this rig...!!!)

Just make sure your vents are not hindered by anything and that there is a free flow of air around the amp or you may just end up frying it.

Good luck and BTW, I bought my missus a Fender Jazz bass (which she can't play) then said "I'll set the amps and cables up in the spare room so you can use them too"........

Foxy · 07-23-2009, 10:42 AM

Thanks for that Ptate, although I won't be using the amp whilst it is on it's side, I'll only be storing it in the cupboard like that. When I play it will be the right way up.

Cheers!

Steve

axuality · 07-24-2009, 11:30 AM

My wife is great. I have a Marshall half stack sitting in the living room 4 feet from the tv. I'll be moving it to my end of the couch soon though to get it a little out of the way. I have a mass of wires and at least three pedals at my end of couch, along with sometimes TWO major size amps in the living room, if I'm doing some experimenting for a few days.

I have to play damn soft while she's in the living room and we're watching tv, but she has no prob with part of my equipment in there. Lucky me.

ironlung40 · 07-27-2009, 12:10 AM

a combo tube amp is upside down when compared to its head counterpart. I would think if they can be upside down with no harm, then on their side would be no different. I wouldn't worry about it. I've seen bands play heads on their end before. I wouldn't do that, but storing it shouldn't matter. In fact, I've got 3 marshall heads on their end in a closet right now. I've had them for many years without a problem yet.

Ironlung40

Foxy · 07-27-2009, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axuality

My wife is great. I have a Marshall half stack sitting in the living room 4 feet from the tv. I'll be moving it to my end of the couch soon though to get it a little out of the way. I have a mass of wires and at least three pedals at my end of couch, along with sometimes TWO major size amps in the living room, if I'm doing some experimenting for a few days.

I have to play damn soft while she's in the living room and we're watching tv, but she has no prob with part of my equipment in there. Lucky me.

You lucky git!

Foxy · 07-27-2009, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironlung40

a combo tube amp is upside down when compared to its head counterpart. I would think if they can be upside down with no harm, then on their side would be no different. I wouldn't worry about it. I've seen bands play heads on their end before. I wouldn't do that, but storing it shouldn't matter. In fact, I've got 3 marshall heads on their end in a closet right now. I've had them for many years without a problem yet.

Ironlung40

Thanks for that Ironlung, more food for thought!

07-20-2009, 10:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
Foxy Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 13	Storing a Marshall Valve Combo I'm currently amp shopping (and having great fun doing so!!) and was wondering if it would be safe to store a valve combo on it's side? Reason being is that the wife has granted me a whole (small) cupboard to myself (lucky me) for my music equipment, so not enough room for a stack, perfect fit for a 1x12(I'm thinking of a DSL401), OR a good fit for a 2x12 (preferably a JVM) IF I stand it on it's side. Is is safe to do so or would storing it on it's side like that cause problems with the valves? I'd love to get the JVM if I can because I prefer the sound of a 2x12. But I dont want to get it if the only way I can store it will damage it/lead to problems. I love the sound of DSL401 so will happily plump for that instead if need be. I could always get a 2x12 cab for the DSL at a later date (I'm assuming it's perfectly fine to stand a cab on it's side?). Cheers! Steve

07-21-2009, 03:43 AM	#2 (permalink)
Foxy Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 13	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo Nobody here knows? :-(

07-21-2009, 03:46 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jesstaa Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Gippsland, Vic, Australia. Posts: 1,059	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo I don't see why it'd do any damage, so long as the tubes are strapped in tightly. __________________ GEAR LIST Marshall JCM900 4100 (6L6) (1995) Marshall Valvestate 1965A cab (????) Cort VX-2V (2008) H&S 7 String (Years are over rated) TUBES/SPEAKERS Power: Groove Tube 6L6GCB Phase Inverter: Chinese 12AX7A Pre: V1 - N.O.S Mullard ECC83. V2 Chinese 12AX7A Speakers: Celestion G10L-35 Marshall forever My tube amp & Real Music appreciation forum

07-21-2009, 04:18 AM	#4 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,951	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo A simple question that a simple answer should suffice. Are the components on their side? No. ok then. For brief periods there should be no harm, however, it was NOT designed to be in that position for long periods of time. Be a man, tell the wife where you're going to keep it -upright- __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

07-21-2009, 05:10 AM	#5 (permalink)
Foxy Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 13	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo Thanks guys :-) Steelhorse - I tried that tack with the missus, she didn't take too kindly too it! I've slowly but surely been filling the apartment with my gear over the last few years and she's only recently started to notice that I suddenly seem to have acquired 5 times as much gear as I once had! I think I'll have to go for the DSL401 as that'll fit perfectly in what little space I have left. I'm thinking I'll get a 2x12 cab and stand that on it's side with the 401 on top of it (the correct way up). That should do the job!

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07-21-2009, 05:29 AM	#6 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,951	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo I hear ya foxy. My situation is slightly different. I threaten an expansion of both gear AND home if I hear complaints. Suddenly the bank balances look much better than my tomfoolery! __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

07-21-2009, 05:46 AM	#7 (permalink)
PaoloJM Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cork, Ireland Posts: 751	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo Every man should have a room or well appointed shed for his own space. This room should be full of music gear, power tools you rarely use and posters of hot chicks. Tell her that it really helps you think and contemplate, and ultimatley will help you communicate better, improving your marriage and helping you to bond in a closer, more loving relationship. Women love to hear that sh*te. __________________ www.youtube.com/paolojm

07-21-2009, 05:59 AM	#8 (permalink)
Foxy Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 13	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo Hahaha! Thanks for the support guys! Your comments have made my morning! I've been pushing this for years but she's a stubborn old thing, gawd bless her! I'll keep working on it!

07-21-2009, 09:53 AM	#9 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 303	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo Play by the rules at first Foxy, but give it a few weeks and she might not even mind it sitting by the TV in the lounge. Patience is a virtue-always have a plan. __________________ AMPS:JVM410h;JVM410c;JVM205h;RR1959;JCM800 2203(1982);JCM800 2205(1989). Cabs:JCM900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW;1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75's.

07-21-2009, 10:11 AM	#10 (permalink)
indeedido Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Anytown, U.S.A. Posts: 34	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo I never tell my wife when I buy something. It just shows up one day on the front porch. She's gotten used to it now.

07-21-2009, 10:57 AM	#11 (permalink)
Foxy Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 13	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo Hmmm... Now that I think about it, there IS a bit of extra space in her walk-in closet...

07-21-2009, 11:12 AM	#12 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 303	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo __________________ AMPS:JVM410h;JVM410c;JVM205h;RR1959;JCM800 2203(1982);JCM800 2205(1989). Cabs:JCM900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW;1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75's.

07-21-2009, 11:33 AM	#14 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 303	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo And at the end of the day who wins? Marshall, with all the room it needs. __________________ AMPS:JVM410h;JVM410c;JVM205h;RR1959;JCM800 2203(1982);JCM800 2205(1989). Cabs:JCM900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW;1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75's.

07-21-2009, 11:47 AM	#15 (permalink)
rich88uk Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Runcorn Posts: 87	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo kick the wife out and then you can have a whole house full of em __________________ Marshall JVM 205c Fender Billy Corgan Signaure Strat Fender USA standard tele 2002 with custom shop texas special pups Billy Corgan Strat and JVM od red mode

07-23-2009, 05:14 AM	#16 (permalink)
Australian Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Outback Posts: 303	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo Let us know what the outcome is. __________________ AMPS:JVM410h;JVM410c;JVM205h;RR1959;JCM800 2203(1982);JCM800 2205(1989). Cabs:JCM900 1960;JCM800 1960;1960AHW;1960Classic;1960BW; JCM800 1936 v30's;1936 G12T-75's.

07-23-2009, 05:24 AM	#17 (permalink)
Foxy Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 13	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo Hehehe Will do

07-23-2009, 06:08 AM	#18 (permalink)
ptate Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 119	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo Sorry to ignore the "wife baiting" (love to join in). However, back to business. Electricity doesn't see gravity as being an issue generally, plus most components are firmly fixed in place. Your valves can have clips applied to make sure they stay still. Reason I know it isn't an issue, is I installed a 1952 Chicago Music Corp amp in a home made case. The amp had to move from being a horizontal application, to vertical, so it would fit. I put some tube retainers in and, since then, it's been used a great amount with no problems (and believe me a rats nest is tidier than the wiring on this rig...!!!) Just make sure your vents are not hindered by anything and that there is a free flow of air around the amp or you may just end up frying it. Good luck and BTW, I bought my missus a Fender Jazz bass (which she can't play) then said "I'll set the amps and cables up in the spare room so you can use them too"........ __________________ www.pnpmusic.co.uk Handmade pedals built for tone.

07-23-2009, 10:42 AM	#19 (permalink)
Foxy Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 13	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo Thanks for that Ptate, although I won't be using the amp whilst it is on it's side, I'll only be storing it in the cupboard like that. When I play it will be the right way up. Cheers! Steve

07-24-2009, 11:30 AM	#20 (permalink)
axuality Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Eau Claire, WI (by Minneapolis) Posts: 94	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo My wife is great. I have a Marshall half stack sitting in the living room 4 feet from the tv. I'll be moving it to my end of the couch soon though to get it a little out of the way. I have a mass of wires and at least three pedals at my end of couch, along with sometimes TWO major size amps in the living room, if I'm doing some experimenting for a few days. I have to play damn soft while she's in the living room and we're watching tv, but she has no prob with part of my equipment in there. Lucky me. __________________ All ad-lib guitar, all the time, including onstage. www.axuality.com

07-27-2009, 12:10 AM	#21 (permalink)
ironlung40 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 612	Re: Storing a Marshall Valve Combo a combo tube amp is upside down when compared to its head counterpart. I would think if they can be upside down with no harm, then on their side would be no different. I wouldn't worry about it. I've seen bands play heads on their end before. I wouldn't do that, but storing it shouldn't matter. In fact, I've got 3 marshall heads on their end in a closet right now. I've had them for many years without a problem yet. Ironlung40

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