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Unread 06-18-2009, 03:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Best High Gain Marshall?

I need a head that will provide me with great cleans and high gain, what do you recommend? I play all types of music so I need versatility, but mostly gain, preferably 2 channels or more.

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Re: Best High Gain Marshall?

JCM 2000 DSLs are sweet. Even the new one's with the MC4x12 cabs sound amazing.
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I need a head that will provide me with great cleans and high gain, what do you recommend? I play all types of music so I need versatility, but mostly gain, preferably 2 channels or more.

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I would go for JCM2000 DSL or TSL. The TSL has 3 channels and give you more flexibilty. The 2000 series is pretty common and shouldn't be hard to find in music shops or in classifieds.

The 6100 is also a good option as it has even more flexibilty and in my opinion even more gain but they are harder to find as they are anniverasry models.
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JCM 2000 DSLs are sweet. Even the new one's with the MC4x12 cabs sound amazing.
Yeah? thats what ive been considering, what about the TSL?
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The TSL is great, but the 6100 owns them all.

I'm not speaking out of my ass either. I actually own the DSL/TSL 100's and the 6100.

No contest. You can even find them nowadays on ebay and craigslist for reasonable prices. What's great is that if you buy one now with the suck ass economy, if you decide to sell later when it rebounds you'll have no trouble recouping or even making a profit.

I actually bought one of mine from a guy I hooked up with via CL and he just wanted it out of there so he let me have it for 700 bucks.

It also does midi, and uses 6L6's.
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I think ill just go with the TSL... I dont want to buy off of ebay, i want it brand new, outta the box.... thanks again though guys
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Yeah? thats what ive been considering, what about the TSL?
They are very similar... Just with an extra channel. I use the tsl because I like having a very heavy modern rock sound and also a vintage sound for some leads. Then of course you can make the clean channel just sparkle. But also IMO if steelhorse says go with the 6100 I would.
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I think ill just go with the TSL... I dont want to buy off of ebay, i want it brand new, outta the box.... thanks again though guys

If you can find new TSL100's let me know bro! I can't find them at the usual outlets.
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Personally, for high gain, I like the Jubilee. If you can't find one, next best option is the SL-X, then the DSL. I'd stay away from the TSL - I personally find its clean channel lacking and the high gain tones buzzy. The DSL and SL-X are way smoother.
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Best high gain Marshall? That's a tough question because there are a lot of things associated with the high gain aspect. Are you looking for the best high gain sound? Are you interested in determining which marshall has the most high gain?

The jubilees, dsl, and tsl are all high gain and can get you great high gain tone. But you have to remember that technology advances, so each amp model builds on the technology of its predecessor(s). So, any of the aforementioned would suffice your high gain needs, but you gotta try them out and be prepared for many differences in tone, gain structure, etc.

At present, I'd say that there are two marshall tube amps that probably have the most gain of all: the kerry king jcm 800 head and the JVM 410H. The Kerry king head has an incredible amount of gain that has to be heard in person-very thick high gain sound. Unfortunately, it's clean tone is not much to rave about, but it's OK if you adjust your settings. The JVM 410H is an entirely different beast. Now, you can get the JVM as a two channel/three mode 100 watt head, but I'd look into all other models as well. The 410H is getting a good reputation for it's clean channel, but it has character that takes you from mild gain to very insane high gain tones. With the JVM, a little turn of the gain knob goes a long way! In my opinion, these two marshall tube amps have the most gain of any marshall ever produced. I'd give the nudge to the JVM for it's clean channel tones, but it's up to you to decide.

I try to limit my comparisons and contrasts to stock amps, because modified amps can have a long history to consider (what type of mod was performed; what did it sound like before vs. after; what was the owner unhappy about or try to improve; what other mods have been made; was a mod undone; did the mod add or remove something; etc.).
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Best high gain Marshall? That's a tough question because there are a lot of things associated with the high gain aspect. Are you looking for the best high gain sound? Are you interested in determining which marshall has the most high gain?

The jubilees, dsl, and tsl are all high gain and can get you great high gain tone. But you have to remember that technology advances, so each amp model builds on the technology of its predecessor(s). So, any of the aforementioned would suffice your high gain needs, but you gotta try them out and be prepared for many differences in tone, gain structure, etc.

At present, I'd say that there are two marshall tube amps that probably have the most gain of all: the kerry king jcm 800 head and the JVM 410H. The Kerry king head has an incredible amount of gain that has to be heard in person-very thick high gain sound. Unfortunately, it's clean tone is not much to rave about, but it's OK if you adjust your settings. The JVM 410H is an entirely different beast. Now, you can get the JVM as a two channel/three mode 100 watt head, but I'd look into all other models as well. The 410H is getting a good reputation for it's clean channel, but it has character that takes you from mild gain to very insane high gain tones. With the JVM, a little turn of the gain knob goes a long way! In my opinion, these two marshall tube amps have the most gain of any marshall ever produced. I'd give the nudge to the JVM for it's clean channel tones, but it's up to you to decide.

I try to limit my comparisons and contrasts to stock amps, because modified amps can have a long history to consider (what type of mod was performed; what did it sound like before vs. after; what was the owner unhappy about or try to improve; what other mods have been made; was a mod undone; did the mod add or remove something; etc.).
Ok, its a simple statement, "I need a head that will provide me with great cleans and high gain", of course I want it to sound good, who would want an amp that doesnt sound good?

Thank you for all your info, but it doesn't need to be made into a difficult question.
And as for the JVM, I tried the JVM410H at Guitar Center, and it sounded like crap, I wouldnt buy that amp for 100 dollars.
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Does the 6100 have as much gain as the JVM? Can it nail more modern high gain tones or no? Is it heavy?
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Ok, its a simple statement, "I need a head that will provide me with great cleans and high gain", of course I want it to sound good, who would want an amp that doesnt sound good?

Thank you for all your info, but it doesn't need to be made into a difficult question.
And as for the JVM, I tried the JVM410H at Guitar Center, and it sounded like crap, I wouldnt buy that amp for 100 dollars.
I would suggest the DSL for great cleans and high gain...and it sounds great.
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I would suggest the DSL for great cleans and high gain...and it sounds great.
Ok cool, i think im gonna go with the TSL though, and if i dont like it ill return it and get the DSL for sure.
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Ok cool, i think im gonna go with the TSL though, and if i dont like it ill return it and get the DSL for sure.
I would recommend the DSL personally. But the TSL from what I heard is good as well, I do hear more ppl saying they like the DSL over TSL, but thats all opinions like mine here. I bough a brand new full stack with MC412A/B Cabs about a month ago. Nothing short of amazing, well exceeds my needs and I play classic rock all the way to heavy metal sounds with it no problem.


Good luck, I'm sure you will be pleased with either model.
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I would recommend the DSL personally. But the TSL from what I heard is good as well, I do hear more ppl saying they like the DSL over TSL, but thats all opinions like mine here. I bough a brand new full stack with MC412A/B Cabs about a month ago. Nothing short of amazing, well exceeds my needs and I play classic rock all the way to heavy metal sounds with it no problem.


Good luck, I'm sure you will be pleased with either model.
Ok cool, thanks.

I love the DSL, but I need the TSLs features more, so im gonna buy it and see how it goes, then if i dont like it as much as the DSL, ill trade it in and get the DSL.

I wish I could afford to get both, that would be perfect haha.
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Yeah you'll be fine with the TSL. I find myself always going back to mine because of the 3 separate channels and the 2 effects loops etc.

When I want a true clean, crunch and lead, they're all there at the tap of the switch in real time, no knob fiddling required.
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get the tsl bro dont be scared! Im afraid 1 persons idea of high gain isnt someone elses?? the tsl will go there hatebreed style!
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Personally, for high gain, I like the Jubilee. If you can't find one, next best option is the SL-X, then the DSL. I'd stay away from the TSL - I personally find its clean channel lacking and the high gain tones buzzy. The DSL and SL-X are way smoother.
Yeah but who has 2.5-3K for an amp (Jubilee) just laying around?

The SLX is becoming harder to find and the prices are climbing when I have seen them and they're pretty much a one trick pony and sounds like the guy wants to have more flexibility so that would be a poor choice imo.

The TSL is a fine choice as is the DSL.

Smooth is about the players gear, how the gear (guitars & amp) are tuned, the players hands and ear imo.

Every TSL I've ever played sounds just fine. Are there bad ones? Sure, but there are bad DSL's and Jubilees as well.

Sounds like the OP is going brand new and is on the right track. He's covered under warranty if it's flocked up or he can sell or trade it for a DSL.

All that said, I'm sticking with my original recommendation of a 6100 although I know the OP is leaning toward a TSL.
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Ok, its a simple statement, "I need a head that will provide me with great cleans and high gain", of course I want it to sound good, who would want an amp that doesnt sound good?

Thank you for all your info, but it doesn't need to be made into a difficult question.
And as for the JVM, I tried the JVM410H at Guitar Center, and it sounded like crap, I wouldnt buy that amp for 100 dollars.
First, your thread started with a very vague question: best high gain amp-but for what purpose? what music do you play? What features do you need/not need? You totally did not quality your question-it was too general.

Second, you ask about "best"? That's subjective, since only you can really decide what's best. You should have simply asked for recommendations, not "best".

You don't say much about what you need, don't need, etc. You start with a vague question and then offer little after that. Makes you wonder about a lot of things.

Finally, you say the jvm is crap, but you offer no reasons why you feel so strongly about it. You have no credibility when you say something is crap and then can't or won't say why you feel that way. Again, makes me wonder: how many different sittings did you play the amp; did you do any research into the amp; what were your settings; what style of music do you play; how many years/months have you been playing (lends credibility); what other amps were you comparing it to? There are a laundry list of questions I have in my mind whenever someone offers a very negative or a very positive opinion-experience teaches you to take these comments with a grain of salt (especially when considering material on the internet).

You want simple answer, but sometimes there are no simple answers. Sometimes, things need to be explored, discussed, researched, analyzed, which may turn into a "difficult questins" (or at least a more complex response). Most people take tone, quality, reliability, etc., seriously around here, and that's why I went in depth. Who knows, maybe I misunderstood you. Maybe I misunderstood your question. Maybe I misunderstood your intentions. Maybe you don't like to read a lot, or long replies. over and out.
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Yeah but who has 2.5-3K for an amp (Jubilee) just laying around?
Ceriatone now has a clone for much less, although, the clean isn't great while using the same eq settings as for the lead channel.
I've seen a couple of Jubes go for 1500.00 to 1800.00. If you look long enough, they can be found in this economic downturn
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The SLX is becoming harder to find and the prices are climbing when I have seen them and they're pretty much a one trick pony and sounds like the guy wants to have more flexibility so that would be a poor choice imo.
Yes. Nice for high gain, not so much for channel switchable clean unless you use a pedal to reduce the guitar's input for a cleaner sound. Still an option.

The DSL seems like the logical choice for nice cleans and high gain in a single package, but that's my personal opinion.

Let us know how things go with the TSL.
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Finally, you say the jvm is crap, but you offer no reasons why you feel so strongly about it. You have no credibility when you say something is crap and then can't or won't say why you feel that way. Again, makes me wonder: how many different sittings did you play the amp; did you do any research into the amp; what were your settings; what style of music do you play; how many years/months have you been playing (lends credibility); what other amps were you comparing it to? There are a laundry list of questions I have in my mind whenever someone offers a very negative or a very positive opinion-experience teaches you to take these comments with a grain of salt (especially when considering material on the internet).

You want simple answer, but sometimes there are no simple answers. Sometimes, things need to be explored, discussed, researched, analyzed, which may turn into a "difficult questins" (or at least a more complex response). Most people take tone, quality, reliability, etc., seriously around here, and that's why I went in depth. Who knows, maybe I misunderstood you. Maybe I misunderstood your question. Maybe I misunderstood your intentions. Maybe you don't like to read a lot, or long replies. over and out.
U make a lot of fine points here. I also agree that stating that certain amps are crap and not explaing why may sound like ... well crap
But as far as the JVM is concerned I am very puzzled by this particular amp. It is supposed to "replace" the JCM2000 line and from looking at the specs I really liked what Marshall were going for. I purchased one about six months ago. It fit the need from what I was looking for... a very flexable.. if not THE most flexable Marshall amp out there. It tried it out with a Les Paul and a Stratocaster at a music store for about an hour tried all the channels and playing around with different settings. I'm a JCM800 kind-of-guy and I thought it replicated it somewhat and all the features made it very interesting. I particular liked the Clean channel.
Anyway I bought it and thought this was something I could use in my live setup. Played it with the band and it completely fell through. It did not cut through at all and it got lost in the bandmix. By itself I still thought it sounded OK but not together with the band. It was loud enough (I use 4x12) but I did not like how it sounded in a band setting. I tried messing around with the Eq but I was not able to find anything that I was happy with. The clean sound was the only sound that made the cut ...

I was actually kind of upset as I had high hopes for this one. I ended up selling it and have since bought the SL-X and the 6100. I currently use the 6100 in my live setup which has alot of the same flexibility but in my ears sound way better.
I don't know .. the JVM is a good amp... it just seem to be lacking something soundwise in my ears ... that is my opinion anyway ...
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Ok cool, thanks.

I love the DSL, but I need the TSLs features more, so im gonna buy it and see how it goes, then if i dont like it as much as the DSL, ill trade it in and get the DSL.

I wish I could afford to get both, that would be perfect haha.
You will have no problems with the TSL & high gain, plus the clean channel with the mid boost switched on is great.
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First, your thread started with a very vague question: best high gain amp-but for what purpose? what music do you play? What features do you need/not need? You totally did not quality your question-it was too general.

Second, you ask about "best"? That's subjective, since only you can really decide what's best. You should have simply asked for recommendations, not "best".

You don't say much about what you need, don't need, etc. You start with a vague question and then offer little after that. Makes you wonder about a lot of things.

Finally, you say the jvm is crap, but you offer no reasons why you feel so strongly about it. You have no credibility when you say something is crap and then can't or won't say why you feel that way. Again, makes me wonder: how many different sittings did you play the amp; did you do any research into the amp; what were your settings; what style of music do you play; how many years/months have you been playing (lends credibility); what other amps were you comparing it to? There are a laundry list of questions I have in my mind whenever someone offers a very negative or a very positive opinion-experience teaches you to take these comments with a grain of salt (especially when considering material on the internet).

You want simple answer, but sometimes there are no simple answers. Sometimes, things need to be explored, discussed, researched, analyzed, which may turn into a "difficult questins" (or at least a more complex response). Most people take tone, quality, reliability, etc., seriously around here, and that's why I went in depth. Who knows, maybe I misunderstood you. Maybe I misunderstood your question. Maybe I misunderstood your intentions. Maybe you don't like to read a lot, or long replies. over and out.
Ok, first off, I read your whole thread, so don't think that I didn't.

Second, I'm tired of arguing with people over the internet, so I'm not going to argue with you, I'll just provide you with what I think you need to know, and if there are anymore questions, then feel free to comeback, repost and ask them.

"First, your thread started with a very vague question: best high gain amp-but for what purpose? what music do you play? What features do you need/not need? "-

I want a high gain amp for what purpose? To play it. Live, practicing, recording. Everything. I want a high gain amp, because me and my band play music that requires high gain. I also wanted a versatile amp. Clean sounds for intros or slow songs, medium gain for songs more like Sweet Child O Mine, and high gain for all the rest.

Second, you ask about "best"? That's subjective, since only you can really decide what's best. You should have simply asked for recommendations, not "best".

Subjective? How so? I was requesting for YOUR opinion on which high gain marshall was the best to YOU. Maybe you didn't understand the question though, I can understand why you may not have been able to comprehend it, or just to answer my question plain and simple... FOR EXAMPLE-

"I prefer the DSL for high gain myself, but some find the JCM800KK to be good for high gain also"

Thats the type of answer I wanted, short and simple.

Why is JVM crap?

Well first off, thats probably subjective.
I sat in front of a JVM410H at Guitar Center, for no less than 30 minutes.
I tried every channel, every mode, and every setting combo I could think of.
Also, to answer your other question, Ive been playing for about 3 or 4 years.
The first time I sat infront of a DSL (the first Marshall I EVER played), it took me no longer than 5 minutes to find the tone I wanted, the perfect tone that I wanted. Then again, you said that only I can decide whats best, remember? I say, the JVM had SO much potential, but its nowhere near best... remember when you said "only you can really decide what's best"?



Now, I'm sure I haven't answered all of your questions, so feel free to come back and ask more. I asked for the publics opinion, and I just gave you mine. I asked one question, you asked 10, and look at my post to you... 10 questions=long reply, 1 simple question= short reply.

You the only guy to go into detail, and take EVERYTHING into consideration, when instead, you could just be decent, and answer the question I asked, instead of expecting me to answer to YOU.

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Unread 06-19-2009, 03:30 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Re: Best High Gain Marshall?

Not to jump on your case here but completely get where Monsters was coming from simply because the original vaguely phrased question has been asked like oh, at least a thousand times.

If anyone wants a simple reply why not post it as a poll and see what folks think, or better yet, do a search of the forum and see the last poll! LOL

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Unread 06-19-2009, 10:28 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Not to jump on your case here but completely get where Monsters was coming from simply because the original vaguely phrased question has been asked like oh, at least a thousand times.

If anyone wants a simple reply why not post it as a poll and see what folks think, or better yet, do a search of the forum and see the last poll! LOL

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Ok, well, as you and everyone else can see, I'm a fairly new member.
He didn't even have to read my thread, much less post replies.
I understand what you mean, but I don't know about how frequent certain questions are asked, so sorry, next time I'll will specify that I want short answers.

Thank you for clearing that up.
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Unread 06-20-2009, 12:19 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Re: Best High Gain Marshall?

one thing to remember when testing an amp , is to use a good amount of master
volume !! (where possible !!) because we all know that marhalls sound different at
at lower volumes than at higher volumes , and the true tone of an amp is found
at the higher of volumes . i hate to state the obvious , but i have seen it many
times where someone condems an amp because it does not sound good and they
have no even turned it up past bedroom volumes !!
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Unread 06-20-2009, 12:27 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Re: Best High Gain Marshall?

you want gain eh??? try a marshall JMP-1 preamp
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you want gain eh??? try a marshall JMP-1 preamp
yep !! full of gain , no question .
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