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Unread 05-11-2013, 05:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

Been away from Marshall amps (used cabs forever)for many years . I've been looking at Plexi (hand wired)or JCM800 (2203) . Also a Bogner XTC is a strong runner as well. My styles range as a gigging musician in a few bands, from Texas string raking blues to smooth Allman style slide to Harder blues rock (can push with a Ts808 for more no prob). I'm just ready to get back to a touch sensitive organic amp. Leaning towards Plexi .........?
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Unread 05-11-2013, 05:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

Sounds like a plexi would be right up your alley for thoses styles.I have a 2203,and with the gain way low,and the master up,it can sound very 1959ish as well.The 2203 has the advantage of lower volume growl.I just finished jamming my 50 watt plexi,and it had to be on 4 to start getting the good Marshall tone.I'm a little dizzy,and my ears are humming.4 on a plexi is really,really loud.As a living room rocker,it's hard to practice with a plexi.If you just look at the strings,the windows are shaking.It does sound nice though,and for blues and Texas sizzle,the plexi would rule.
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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

My opinion in that case is a plexi. (which lends itself for very different and louder things too with the right things in front)
2203xman is right though, it is possible to get very close with a 2203 too.


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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

Either amps will sound great imo ....
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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

Marshall Plexi all the way !!
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I hear the yjm100 is kinda cool....
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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

Get a Plexi, and then get a tech to add a 2203 circuit to it.

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2204...50 watters sound way cool even at lower volumes
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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

Damn hard call on the Marshalls. I have a 1981 JMP 2203 and a 50 watt Plexi. I installed loops in both amps and am able to control the overall volume of the Plexi and 2203 with a rackmount processor in addition to MV on the 2203. Damn, both amps sound great, it's that entire cascaded vs non cascaded preamp section thing. My plexi has point to point board in it that I built and installed. Love them both.

Guess if they were stock with no loops I would go with the 2203.

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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

an old 2203 gives you plexi tones in spades with additional options like getting the marshall growl at fairly low volumes so for it's a no brainer.
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If you are going to want to play at low volumes, I'd go with the 2203. I have them both and the Plexi is so loud!

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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

If you can find/afford a YJM100 I'd recommend that - due to the built in 'booster', 100/50w switching plus the EPA, etc. Other than that I agree with the 2203 route.
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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

plexi would be more versitile. Run some pedals on it and you will sound tops!
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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

Yeh I would go with a 2203 unless the Plexi has a PPIMV or FX Loop to get some drive at lower volumes. .
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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

I like master volumes on 100 watters!

2203X or a YJM100

The 2203X is ridiculously expensive for what it is, but is the hardcore one-channel Marshall amp. The YJM100 is a Limited Edition Signature Series Marshall Amp with all the latest bells and whistles!

I think the YJM100 is the one to get at this moment. The JCM800 (and the 1959) will always be an offering from Marshall (hopefully), due to their legacy and heritage and tones!
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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

What's difference between the JCM800 and the JCM800X ?
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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

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What's difference between the JCM800 and the JCM800X ?
for starters there is no such thing as a JCM800x.

I think you mean a 2203 or 2203x.

A 2203 was built in the 70's/80's where as the "x" is a re-issue. Made from the 90's to present day.

The newer 2203x's have FX loops
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Been away from Marshall amps (used cabs forever)for many years . I've been looking at Plexi (hand wired)or JCM800 (2203) . Also a Bogner XTC is a strong runner as well. My styles range as a gigging musician in a few bands, from Texas string raking blues to smooth Allman style slide to Harder blues rock (can push with a Ts808 for more no prob). I'm just ready to get back to a touch sensitive organic amp. Leaning towards Plexi .........?
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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

I play in three groups that stay busy, 3 rehearsals a week and 2 shows a week at the moment. I play fairly loud and a heavy handed player, just don't take anyone's head off (until needed). Amp would be for the Blues/Blues Rock we play (SRV, Allmans styles).
Thanks for the correction on the JCM also, I'm trying to soak in a lot of info and I'm a goof.
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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

Plexi without a doubt, and you will probably want the YJM for its flexibility. Holy Grail sound at any volume level, much better than an attenuator.
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if I was to buy a new head, and I want to , lol.....i would go JTM45 30 watt head -i'm dribbling thinking about ordering it now
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I play in three groups that stay busy, 3 rehearsals a week and 2 shows a week at the moment. I play fairly loud and a heavy handed player, just don't take anyone's head off (until needed). Amp would be for the Blues/Blues Rock we play (SRV, Allmans styles).
Thanks for the correction on the JCM also, I'm trying to soak in a lot of info and I'm a goof.
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No probs man. Sorry if i came across blunt, i was just correcting you so you would know man..

I definitely think the 2203/2203x is for you.
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i dont understand how the Plexi is more versatile.
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No not blunt at all, no sweat bro. Thanks for the info guys. Keep on talkin
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ok a little more info for ya..

The "plexi" was a plexi-glass faced non master volume amp which read "JMP" (Jim Marshall Products) on the front panel. Model no. 1959 for the 100 watter and 1987 for the 50 watter.

The same amplifier (with very minor circuit changes) was changed to a metal face after 1969 (correct me guys if im wrong).

In around 1975 the master volume circuit was also implemented into this same head shell (but note it has only 2 inputs). This took on the model no. 2203 or 2204 for a 50 watter.
So you could get a 1959/1987 4 input non master volume or the 2203/2204 2 input master volume model which also has a cascaded pre-amp for more gain. Although the early models didnt have cascaded gain.

In around 1981 they brought in the JCM800 series. They also implemented both circuits into this head shell. So you could get a JCM800 1959/1987 or a JCM800 2203/2204.

Then they brought in the split channel JCM800 2210/2205 model which basically added diode clipping to the 2203 pre-amp and a clean channel.

So this is why we correct people when they compare JCM800's to plexi's. Some models have the same circuit as plexis (JCM800 1959/1987), some have the plexi circuit + cascaded gain + master volume (JCM800 2203/2204) and some have the diode clipping and the 2 channels (2210/2205).

Now im just giving you a rough idea i dont know all the ins and outs of the circuits.

Hope that helps.
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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

now the next question is what kind of guitar?
any dirt/screamer boxes on the floor?
do you use your volume & tone knobs?

I run my 50wt 800 w/ cleaner tubes plus it's 6550's so more clean headroom than el34's.
master on 7-8 for LP & around 6 for a strat and I use my vol knob a lot.
edge of breakup like an AC/DC or old Priest (Stained Class era)tone & use the MXR Dist+ or BOSS SD-1 to push it over the edge or to drive the tubes harder for more rock & metal stuff ala Randy Rhoads,Ratt,Scorpions,etc.

I can also switch to neck pups on either style of guitar & roll off the vol for B.B. or Hendrix cleans.
either way i can get those great harmonic feedback tails while keeping @ either home or small club levels- like master vol on 2ish.

either "plexi" or 800 series you can't lose.
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Re: Back to Marshall . Plexi or JCM800 ?

Here's what I run right now.

1980 Les Paul Standard, 51 Hot rodded Tele, 62 Reissue Strat.
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1. Vox Wah
2. Jeckyl n Hyde ( Rarely used but can be very smooth)
3. TS808 ( used plenty)
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2. Marshall Cab with WGS Veterans crossed with G12-75's
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Can't go wrong with a vintage Marshall...either will get you there.
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