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Unread 03-07-2013, 01:26 PM   #31 (permalink)
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the magic of the old jcm 800 is not gain (the jcm 900 has more) it's the clarity of the amp at high volumes
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But the older amps have their limitations man..single channel, no boost, power scaling, etc. Everything comes with cost, and the disparity between the new and old is definitely tangent man..

I've owned the older amps man..and have used them in a live band setting..JMPs, 900S and 800s...for my needs the DSL is WAY better then the others even with the small tonal cost, and I mean *small*...I have my DSLs sounding SO much like a good 800 now man...and I have far more options..its really no contest man...oh and lastly btw..I play ****ING LOUD! Just ask my pissed off band mates! LOL!!


I'm not gonna argue any of that, but my point still is valid.

I used a modified DSL 100 for years. Mercury trannies, choke, 3 channel "clean/crunch" switch mod, NOS tubes...it sounded great, and I needed the versatility, in a live setting. My TSL100 didn't sound too shabby, either, with the same upgrades and removed bright caps, etc., for live shows.

Also, I can remember back in the day with my old 50 watt JMP (WAAAY back in the day....) It was frustrating having "ONE SOUND" and no real clean, or lead boost. You needed two setups. I get that.

But for pure unadulterated tone, like Accept, early Priest, Zep, early James Gang, etc....the single channel amps rule for clarity, sweet tone, and fat grind.

Even with all the upgrades, perfect bias, new tubes...side by side my DSL still
comes in second to my stock 50 watt JMP's for definition, sweet harmonics, feel, tone, tight lows, etc, etc..
Not really close, either...

It is what it is.

And that's why a JMP or 800 is worth 2 or 3 (or 4) times a 900, or 2000....depending on the year/model..
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FYI, there's an 81 model JCM 800 combo for sale in the Charlotte NC Craigslist, for $1200 right now.
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They would if everyone would agree to pay the $6000 price for a head.

btw: the JVM is basically an 800. without the Drakes etc. different voicing etc.
I would love to pay between $18K and $20K for a Marshall head. My feeling is they don't charge enough right now.

Or not.

Seriously though, if JCM800s were around $1,200 I'd buy one or two. But I'm not paying what they want these days for that one-trick pony.
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just out of curiosity,how many of you multi channel amp players ride the vol knob instead of just switching channels for clean/med gain/lead boost/full tilt boogie?
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just out of curiosity,how many of you multi channel amp players ride the vol knob instead of just switching channels for clean/med gain/lead boost/full tilt boogie?
I use the volume knob when I'm too lazy to reach for the footswitch.

Also helps when with the setup I currently have. I like to use a chorus with my clean, so if I don't feel like switching the channel AND turning on the chorus as quick as possible, I just roll back the volume and hit the chorus pedal.
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just out of curiosity,how many of you multi channel amp players ride the vol knob instead of just switching channels for clean/med gain/lead boost/full tilt boogie?

An 800 will get you some Full tilt boogie. Best believe that.
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Even with all the upgrades, perfect bias, new tubes...side by side my DSL still
comes in second to my stock 50 watt JMP's for definition, sweet harmonics, feel, tone, tight lows, etc, etc..
Not really close, either...
It is what it is.

And that's why a JMP or 800 is worth 2 or 3 (or 4) times a 900, or 2000....depending on the year/model..
You know I don't want to be 'that guy' with the last word...lets just say we disagree with the disparity of tonal difference between the two. Yes, there is a difference, tonally, but its small imo..of which is easily overshadowed by functionality..and this opinion, like yours, is formulated by years of experience actually USING these things. Everything comes with a price.. I will continue to stand by my opinion that a great deal of this '800/JMP hype' is part 'placebo effect' partially driven by a limited supply and people's innate nature to garner things through the desires and propaganda of others reacting to the same...
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I'll add this i guess, i had a pristine JMP 2203 vertical input and it was good no question but once i plugged my EDS1275 into a 6100 i almost came in my pants. THERE was a better amp than the hallowed JMP.
It all boils down to the individuals needs and what they will accept for tone, features, ect.

One things for sure, Marshall wouldnt be the 800 pound gorilla of the amp world if they consistently made amps like Peavy, people like them in all their various incarnations.
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just out of curiosity,how many of you multi channel amp players ride the vol knob instead of just switching channels for clean/med gain/lead boost/full tilt boogie?
Sounds great, in theory. Fun at home with a one channel amp. Do it all the time.
Fine in a three piece.

But in a two guitar rock band, you need a real, loud and bright clean...nice crunch, and a large solo boost to be heard in the mix

....and still use your volume control for different levels of gain, especially on the crunch channel, for rythm...
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I have a JVM and ride the volume knob all the time when using the amp to create and use different tones. It is one my favorite things about this amp.
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I used a JCM800 2203 for the best part of 20 years! - reason being every time I tried another amp (Marhsalls included), they never sounded as good for playing rock rhythm guitar! The 2203 had/has a spark and vibrancy other amps can't capture!

But the 2203's limitations eventually got to me. It was impossible to get a good lead tone at any decent volume, becuase the amp was already saturated for playing rhythm. It couldn't produce a good clean tone (without plugging into the low input), and did not have built-in reverb (reverb infront of an over-driven amp just doesn't sound the same!)

So I bought a JVM410. I expected it to be an 800 with bells and whistles. But I as intitially dissapointed! It didn't have the 800 sound, and lacked the feel and dynamics! The clean channel was great, and playing lead on OD2 was blissfull! And all the high-tech features like MIDI control opened up new avenues! - But I was still un-happy with the basic tone and feel. So I started modding!

The result is that I now have a multi-channel amp, which sounds as good as my old 2203, but has all the modern features! Here is a clip of the JVM compared to the 2203. The clip is in two sections. CAn you tell whcih is which? Which one sounds best? (Oh god, he's wheeling out that old sound-cloud clip again! )

https://soundcloud.com/urbanspaceman...t-vol-balanced

I believe that a moddified JVM is better than a 2203. It can match the rhythm sound, but offers so much more...

The really good news is that the JVM410, by all acounts sounds even better than a modded JVM, straight out of the box! I haven't played though one my self (I daren't, as I can't afford one at present) - but it is beginning to look like something of an ultimate amp!
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I used a JCM800 2203 for the best part of 20 years! - reason being every time I tried another amp (Marhsalls included), they never sounded as good for playing rock rhythm guitar! The 2203 had/has a spark and vibrancy other amps can't capture!

But the 2203's limitations eventually got to me. It was impossible to get a good lead tone at any decent volume, becuase the amp was already saturated for playing rhythm. It couldn't produce a good clean tone (without plugging into the low input), and did not have built-in reverb (reverb infront of an over-driven amp just doesn't sound the same!)

So I bought a JVM410. I expected it to be an 800 with bells and whistles. But I as intitially dissapointed! It didn't have the 800 sound, and lacked the feel and dynamics! The clean channel was great, and playing lead on OD2 was blissfull! And all the high-tech features like MIDI control opened up new avenues! - But I was still un-happy with the basic tone and feel. So I started modding!

The result is that I now have a multi-channel amp, which sounds as good as my old 2203, but has all the modern features! Here is a clip of the JVM compared to the 2203. The clip is in two sections. CAn you tell whcih is which? Which one sounds best? (Oh god, he's wheeling out that old sound-cloud clip again! )

https://soundcloud.com/urbanspaceman...t-vol-balanced

I believe that a moddified JVM is better than a 2203. It can match the rhythm sound, but offers so much more...

The really good news is that the JVM410, by all acounts sounds even better than a modded JVM, straight out of the box! I haven't played though one my self (I daren't, as I can't afford one at present) - but it is beginning to look like something of an ultimate amp!
depending which clip was the JCM800 the first part has that critical mid range resonance that opens up the door to extra vibrancy, the second clip fell back a slight notch, needs more treble air..very close though. depends on the application maybe the less vibrant tone would fill out better in a entire mix.
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depending which clip was the JCM800 the first part has that critical mid range resonance that opens up the door to extra vibrancy, the second clip fell back a slight notch, needs more treble air..very close though. depends on the application maybe the less vibrant tone would fill out better in a entire mix.

Thanks! - yes, it's close, but the 1st part of the clip is the modded JVM.
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I used a JCM800 2203 for the best part of 20 years! - reason being every time I tried another amp (Marhsalls included), they never sounded as good for playing rock rhythm guitar! The 2203 had/has a spark and vibrancy other amps can't capture!

But the 2203's limitations eventually got to me. It was impossible to get a good lead tone at any decent volume, becuase the amp was already saturated for playing rhythm. It couldn't produce a good clean tone (without plugging into the low input), and did not have built-in reverb (reverb infront of an over-driven amp just doesn't sound the same!)

So I bought a JVM410. I expected it to be an 800 with bells and whistles. But I as intitially dissapointed! It didn't have the 800 sound, and lacked the feel and dynamics! The clean channel was great, and playing lead on OD2 was blissfull! And all the high-tech features like MIDI control opened up new avenues! - But I was still un-happy with the basic tone and feel. So I started modding!

The result is that I now have a multi-channel amp, which sounds as good as my old 2203, but has all the modern features! Here is a clip of the JVM compared to the 2203. The clip is in two sections. CAn you tell whcih is which? Which one sounds best? (Oh god, he's wheeling out that old sound-cloud clip again! )

https://soundcloud.com/urbanspaceman...t-vol-balanced

I believe that a moddified JVM is better than a 2203. It can match the rhythm sound, but offers so much more...

The really good news is that the JVM410, by all acounts sounds even better than a modded JVM, straight out of the box! I haven't played though one my self (I daren't, as I can't afford one at present) - but it is beginning to look like something of an ultimate amp!
liked the second part of the clip actually after playing the clip back and forth..sounds thicker and way more old school...
and now i learn that the second part of the clip is an old jcm 800...i guess everybody has their own set of ears to determine what sounds good to them.
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JVM, DSL, 2203, Plexi, JTM... who really cares as long as its a Marshall and it does what you want it to.
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Sounds great, in theory. Fun at home with a one channel amp. Do it all the time.
Fine in a three piece.

But in a two guitar rock band, you need a real, loud and bright clean...nice crunch, and a large solo boost to be heard in the mix

....and still use your volume control for different levels of gain, especially on the crunch channel, for rythm...
they make an app for that..
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they make an app for that..
the soundman.
That would be me, but I was busy performing..
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Thanks! - yes, it's close, but the 1st part of the clip is the modded JVM.
Yes, the first clip is more focused and has that midrange tone I crave.
The second was a bit thinner, and brighter.
At least that's what I hear on my AKG headphones...
So what mods did you do? Transformers??
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The result is that I now have a multi-channel amp, which sounds as good as my old 2203, but has all the modern features! Here is a clip of the JVM compared to the 2203. The clip is in two sections. CAn you tell whcih is which? Which one sounds best? (Oh god, he's wheeling out that old sound-cloud clip again! )

https://soundcloud.com/urbanspaceman...t-vol-balanced

I believe that a moddified JVM is better than a 2203. It can match the rhythm sound, but offers so much more...
It just dawned on me...that 800 should sound better than that....and, it sounds a lot like my 1979 JMP sounded before I put new filter cans in it....
...yours are 30 years old, so it's not a fair comparison until you do so...
but the JVM sounds so good, and is so versatile, maybe it's a moot point...
but new supply caps brought that growly fat midrange back to mine...
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Yes, the first clip is more focused and has that midrange tone I crave.
The second was a bit thinner, and brighter.
At least that's what I hear on my AKG headphones...
So what mods did you do? Transformers??
The mods are in my signature strip. No transformer changes, though...

Yes the 2203 sounds slightly brighter, more open, and softer, if you like, whilst the JVM has more attack, and mid-range punch. But the difference is very subtle, I think!

It's a fair poiint about the 2203 needing an overhaul! One day I will get around to replacing all the valves, and I will do the filter caps at the same time. But the 2203 doesn't sound to me all that different to how it has always sounded, and the point is this: When I first got the JVM, the sound and feel to me wasn't anywhere near as good as the JVM! But now, after a few tweaks, it is capable of being very close, and is arguably better sounding!
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The result is that I now have a multi-channel amp, which sounds as good as my old 2203, but has all the modern features! Here is a clip of the JVM compared to the 2203. The clip is in two sections. CAn you tell whcih is which? Which one sounds best? (Oh god, he's wheeling out that old sound-cloud clip again! )

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I'm hurry up to answer this question without looking at the following messages. NO DOUBT for me, it's a blind test, just audio, the first amp is the JVM that you modded, and the second is the old JCM. Don't tell me if I'm right, cause I know I am. The old JCM/JMP have that sweet tamed highs, or lack of harsh presence, and sound warmer in the lower mids. The new amps sound HI-FI, the old sound warm.

They sound close, you did a great job on modding your amp, but the sound of the old puppies is there. Nothing can compare to them at 100%.

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I managed to get a KK2203 at a very cheap price in UK, even though I am not into that mega distorted thrash of Slayer. I tell you what - without the boost circuit on, it is a killer amp and remonds me of my old JMP2203 but with more gain! It kicks ass and is a great pedal platform! I am seriously happy with it. Now to change the look!
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Unread 03-20-2013, 08:41 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Re: JCM800! Why can't Marshall get it right!

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I used a JCM800 2203 for the best part of 20 years! - reason being every time I tried another amp (Marhsalls included), they never sounded as good for playing rock rhythm guitar! The 2203 had/has a spark and vibrancy other amps can't capture!

But the 2203's limitations eventually got to me. It was impossible to get a good lead tone at any decent volume, becuase the amp was already saturated for playing rhythm. It couldn't produce a good clean tone (without plugging into the low input), and did not have built-in reverb (reverb infront of an over-driven amp just doesn't sound the same!)

So I bought a JVM410. I expected it to be an 800 with bells and whistles. But I as intitially dissapointed! It didn't have the 800 sound, and lacked the feel and dynamics! The clean channel was great, and playing lead on OD2 was blissfull! And all the high-tech features like MIDI control opened up new avenues! - But I was still un-happy with the basic tone and feel. So I started modding!

The result is that I now have a multi-channel amp, which sounds as good as my old 2203, but has all the modern features! Here is a clip of the JVM compared to the 2203. The clip is in two sections. CAn you tell whcih is which? Which one sounds best? (Oh god, he's wheeling out that old sound-cloud clip again! )

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I believe that a moddified JVM is better than a 2203. It can match the rhythm sound, but offers so much more...

The really good news is that the JVM410, by all acounts sounds even better than a modded JVM, straight out of the box! I haven't played though one my self (I daren't, as I can't afford one at present) - but it is beginning to look like something of an ultimate amp!
jvm410 sounds better than modded jvm? Think you meant something else but regardless, this clip settles it for me. For any non purist, thats freakin close enough, case closed
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Re: JCM800! Why can't Marshall get it right!

I'm in the minority. I hate the JCM800 in its stock form. I do love to mod them though. I just had another opportunity to tinker with a super clean 1980 JMP master volume last Sunday. Granted, I only added a depth circuit and changed out the presence cap.
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Re: JCM800! Why can't Marshall get it right!

Marshall got it right with the DSL's, JVM,VM etc...etc...but the 2203X is the top of the food chain in my opinion. My problem is that I love all of them for different reasons. If I had to choose just one.....JCM800 2203X would be the one.
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