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Unread 08-29-2012, 11:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Jubilee And JCM 800 Not Metal Enough

Any tips besides pedals for getting where I need to be? An ep or mxr 10 band get there but they're noisy.
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Unread 08-30-2012, 12:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Jubilee And JCM 800 Not Metal Enough

Sell both and get something else or a 2210? or 2203 modded
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Re: Jubilee And JCM 800 Not Metal Enough

When I think metal, I really don't think Jubilee...

As for the JCM, try a Boss SD-1 or an MXR ZW OD. They may add noise, but thats the nature of the beast.

If all else fails, trade your JCM for a 2203KK, which has a boost and noise gate built in.
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Re: Jubilee And JCM 800 Not Metal Enough

i use 2 2203's in stereo boosted with an sd1 for metal and they sound amazing in the context of a band. Very chunky and smooth but with sweet mids that cut thru and fill the mix like no other head i've tried.

I have a jubilee too, but the brute punch, definition, and clarity of the 800 still win in my book.

You have to be careful dialing up metal tone,... its VERY easy to over do lows and gain, and VERY VERY easy to scoop out too much mid... The 800s pretty much prevent this from hapening
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dude death metal bands use 2203's lol. yeah they need a boost though to get there but modern amps need a boost too. it's the nature of a good tight metal tone to need a clean boost/od set clean.

if that doesn't do it though the bogner alchemist is a great cheap option (refer to my sig, recertified and sweep 16) or Framus Dragon and cobra (which i also have. i have a cobra modified dragon for sale or partial trade right now)
or the age old classic 5150.

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900DR etc may do okay too dependong on tastes.

but imo no amount of gain makes up for a clean/set clean boost out front to the amp.

the only amp i've owned that's come to where i can get away with (in my mind) using no boost is the Framus cobra and dragons but i still PREFER a boost to tighten things up.

i take that back, peavey XXX is tight enough without a boost but it's hella compressed unless biased up better.

they're pretty solid metal amps with a brighter tone than 5150's.
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A good boost, 2203 and high output pickups will get you metal. As diesect said so many metal bands have used 2203s over the years. Mxr wylde overdrive can be a good change to a sd1 but you will need a noise gate.
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What about a JVM410? I have head good metal clips with these?
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good suggestions guys! those hot pickups are the first improvement you should make. that 10band EQ is great! there is 10 little amp circuits built in to the pedal each is amplifiing the high impedance (current) signal (voltage) that noise is the full current of the voltage. It's supposed to be noisey!
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Re: Jubilee And JCM 800 Not Metal Enough

As mentioned, both amps require a good clean boost pedal or overdrive pedal to push the preamp into overdrive..NATURALLY...

Why the predisposed disliking for pedals?

Some of the greatest metal tones of all time were conceived this way...from Rhodes, to King, to Tipton..shit Mercyful Fate...could go on and on..

*Most* of these players used Marshall amplification with their front ends being boosted with some kind of pedal. Guitars and their pickups have great influence as well..

Very few amps today, even the high end boutique style amps, can touch the tonal purity of a properly setup JCM 800 (the RIGHT tubes and bias) being punched in the teeth with a good quality boost pedal. It really is the benchmark from which all other rock/metal amps are judged.
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hmm, that Kasha mod is interesting, anyone build one berfore?
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Ha!! That was pretty cool man! A possible solution for the 800 04/03 users..especially with footswitch capability. However, you can *almost* get the much of a gain boost using a GOOD quality OD pedal without having the expense of a FX loop installed, and maintain the natural TIGHT tonal integrity of the amp. To me when the guy switched on the mod the bottom end loosened slightly... but it still sounded good..and at $250 for the little box..was affordable.

But for me, I don't need it! The DSL does this well boosting the green channel and..having the red channel with its MV control for not only a gain boost but a VOLUME boost as well..

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Ha!! That was pretty cool man! A possible solution for the 800 04/03 users..especially with footswitch capability. However, you can *almost* get the much of a gain boost using a GOOD quality OD pedal without having the expense of a FX loop installed, and maintain the natural TIGHT tonal integrity of the amp. To me when the guy switched on the mod the bottom end loosened slightly... but it still sounded good..and at $250 for the little box..was affordable.

But for me, I don't need it! The DSL does this well boosting the green channel and..having the red channel with its MV control for not only a gain boost but a VOLUME boost as well..

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You don't need to have an effects loop for the Kasha mod.
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Ahh..that's VERY cool...and for the price..well, that is about what a boutique OD pedal will cost you. I'd love to do a side by side test with a 2204...one with the F/Tone pedal driving the amp stock, and then comparing it to the amp running that mod device. The Fulltone pedal is only about $150.00...I got ALLOT gain out of my 2204 with the F/tone pedal..not *quite* as much as what that video depicted, but pretty damn close..and my tone stayed SUPER TIGHT.

But, as I mentioned early, my DSL does all of this and then some...
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Hot pups, an EQ pedal and a boost... done.

If that don't get it, you are not looking for a Marshall.
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If that don't get it, you are not looking for a Marshall.
This. Everything from the 80s was a boosted 2203. when Celtic Frost reformed, Tom Warrior had whatever he wanted to recreate his sound. After testimg the modern gear, he went back to the 2203 (boosted), which was the quintessential metal sound.

The jubilee would be more of a solo/melodic metal amp. It is clear gain, not raunchy gain, so it's for shred, not riffage. IMO, the best thing to add is a transparent OD to a Jub if boosting. I use the Tim, a marshall-based circuit.
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This. Everything from the 80s was a boosted 2203. when Celtic Frost reformed, Tom Warrior had whatever he wanted to recreate his sound. After testimg the modern gear, he went back to the 2203 (boosted), which was the quintessential metal sound.

And there you have it. Very well illustrated V-man.
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Didn't Metallica used a JCM800?
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Jesus...not metal enough? Try Engl.
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Didn't Metallica used a JCM800?
Only the power sections for their Mesa Mark 2c+s.

But they did use Jose-modded JMP100s that were boosted by a Rat (Kill em all) and a Tubescreamer (Ride the Lightning, blended with a mark 2c+).

Why not add a DSL or a JCM900 SLX in your collection?
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Re: Jubilee And JCM 800 Not Metal Enough

I don't have a JCM 800 right now, or a Marshall for that matter. But when running my Jet City JC100, The gain is set around 10 o'clock, and I'm using a strat with it. It's kinda RHCP at that gain stage, but add in an SD-1 with the drive set just past 9 o'clock, and it screams! Try a boost pedal.
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I know im regurgitatng here, but just about EVERY thrash band from the 80's was an 800 or JMP Master. If its not tickling your fancy you may need to look into the solid state option, although I hate to see you do this because a boosted 800 I PROMISE will do the trick. Even a 50watter properly dialed in will do it.
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Everyone is saying the same thing but I don't think it's exactly the right advice for this particular question. If you are wanting a modern metal sound then an 800 is not the right amp for you. You will be better off with a true high gain amp like a JVM, 5150 or a Dual Rectifier. A JCM 800 is a classic rock amp that can be pushed hard with pedals... But then you're using pedals which may not give you the results you're looking for. You will never get clear tight high-gain, ala Metallica or KSE with an 800. It ain't gonna happen. Your ranges will be AC/DC to Slayer.
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The 2203 can be turned into a fire breathing Dragon of an amp. The kasha was never very impressive and cumbersome. Pedals are the next step but i could turn that amp into a a killer!
Ideal wouod be Very crunchy and heavy like the uberschall / diezel
Most high gain amps are Marshall derivitives and the master volume is the perfect starting point for whatever.
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Only the power sections for their Mesa Mark 2c+s.

But they did use Jose-modded JMP100s that were boosted by a Rat (Kill em all) and a Tubescreamer (Ride the Lightning, blended with a mark 2c+).

Why not add a DSL or a JCM900 SLX in your collection?
There're some DSL 2000 clips of Metallica sounds at the end of this thread.
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Billyblades what are you suggesting? to turn that amp into a killer like an uberschall or diezel?
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Everyone is saying the same thing but I don't think it's exactly the right advice for this particular question. If you are wanting a modern metal sound then an 800 is not the right amp for you. You will be better off with a true high gain amp like a JVM, 5150 or a Dual Rectifier. A JCM 800 is a classic rock amp that can be pushed hard with pedals... But then you're using pedals which may not give you the results you're looking for. You will never get clear tight high-gain, ala Metallica or KSE with an 800. It ain't gonna happen. Your ranges will be AC/DC to Slayer.


I think its a matter of a few things coming together, I know for a fact Jon from Shadows Fall and Mark Morton from Lamb of God both use....wait for it....Marshall 800's in the studio for leads and otherwise. Jon uses a Maxon 808 and if im not mistaken Mark uses a MXR GT-OD. Theyre both Modern Metal as ****. Are you going to Get cannibal corpse heavy? No, but I REFUSE to believe this lad cant get a "Metal" tone from an 800.

My advice? Whether you want to hear it or not- your choice. Take the 800 to a shop and have it looked at by someone who can service a Marshall, make sure everything is good under the hood, if not swap em out (tubes), then take a look at the ickups you have, Low output? High output? Duncans? EMG's? Research a pair to your liking- hook em up. Next, OD pedal GOD knows theres a ton of info on this forum alone however the most popular for pushing an 800 would be ;

Boss SD-1

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Ibanez Tube screamer

MXR ZW 44

Theres literally thousands more and im sure whats his name will plug his on this thread eventually, try what you can. Research what your fav players amp/Pedal settings and go from there. Its out there dude, you just have to do the work to dial in what you want to hear.

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Sometimes money is a factor. And its easier to mod than to go buy another expensive amp. If you look at diezel and ubers,,, they started out modifying plexis and 800 which are actually the same amp.!

Im just eager to impress and i would love to take it and show people what i can do.
Please pardon me if i been seeming overzealous. I have spent alot of time perfecting this crafting of tone and am very passionate about it but yes. Turn it into a beast! Like diezel or uber style.

After my ordeal i drove myself at fanatical pace and studied the best of the best. In higain tone! Diezel, Cameron, Bogner, Mesa, Fortin.
I got the secrets and want to show off lol. Plus most of these mods arent available anylonger!

Im bringin Badass back! And bringin it on the cheap. Been doing alot of ceriatones lately for people.
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Primarily 2204-3 and plexis. Clones too especially handwired types.
I actually love it as much as playing guitar!
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Primarily 2204-3 and plexis. Clones too especially handwired types.
I actually love it as much as playing guitar!

Mine's on the chopping block next bro...
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