1 Watters with EHX 22 or 44

allstar100595 · 08-19-2012, 10:33 AM

Hi, I'm looking for a more practical way to get the slaved JMP-1 tone without lugging around my head. I've been looking into these EHX pedals that are 22 or 44 watt power amps, basically. Would setting the 1 watters into low power mode enable me to run through the pedal for more power and into an ext. cab?

David Corrales · 08-19-2012, 02:42 PM

From what I've read in other posts you should be able to do just as you said.

Fiftywattmafia · 08-19-2012, 05:53 PM

Does a 1 watt tube amp lose its purpose when selecting a solid state power amp? It may make it louder but I'm not sure its what I want to do with a 1 watt... unless in a pinch.

Nice to have the option...but why not own a DSL 50

Edit...you don't want to lug....ok....understand

David Corrales · 08-19-2012, 06:02 PM

Well, you will be amplifying the pre and power section distortion coming from the mini head. The power section of the second amp should be as clean as possible to just amplify the sound of the mini.

nuke · 08-19-2012, 07:22 PM

If you just want to carry the 1 watt head, put it into low range and run a cable to a Radial JDX then take a XLR from the box into the mixer.

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nuke · 08-19-2012, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FWM

Does a 1 watt tube amp lose its purpose when selecting a solid state power amp? It may make it louder but I'm not sure its what I want to do with a 1 watt... unless in a pinch.

Nice to have the option...but why not own a DSL 50

Edit...you don't want to lug....ok....understand

If you are going to use a Solid State amp to bring up the volume then yes, you will loose some of the harmonic and dynamics of your tone. Not enough to make it sound horrible but the sound we all love with tube amps comes from a all tube power amp.

Fiftywattmafia · 08-19-2012, 09:46 PM

Definitely not trying to be a party pooper....it is a rather good idea to conveniently boost your wattage...and inexpensive. I wonder what the Badcat Unleash will be like....that could be a winner for the 1 watt heads....but its still not tube.

Australian · 08-19-2012, 11:13 PM

The Blackstar HT tube pedal is probably going to impress you.

allstar100595 · 08-20-2012, 10:47 AM

Well, I guess my reason of doing this is just for rehearsal when I don't feel like carrying around my head, or maybe my head is at the rehearsal space and I wanna play louder than 1 watt, or perhaps even as a backup rig in case something on the head blows out and I wouldn't need to mic the 1 watter.

The Unleash sounds very interesting, and I would actually probably buy it right now if I knew whether or not it can act as an attenuator as well as a volume boost. I could have one channel programmed as the boost for the JMP-1 or an attenuator for a regular head. Hmmm

V-man · 08-20-2012, 11:30 AM

Ok, this is not making any sense to me.

- I am hearing you don't want to lug "the head" around. I have to be assuming that you mean a 40+ pound JMP head, not the JMP1 head (or this discussion would be moot).

Then what you want to do instead is take a JMP1 in 0.1W to the EHX micro amp, to the cab.

My first question to that is "why would you do that nonsense when you can simply put the JMP1 on 1W mode and use it through a cab?"

If the answer is "Because I practice in a live band setting and the 1w setting is not enough volume, so I need more power to compete with drums", then we have some other issues to contend with.

- Can EITHER the .22 or .44 compete on its own in a live band setting (say with a dirt box as a boost)? If not, the whole plan is worthless based on the inadequate power of the EHX boxes.

- Second, What about headroom? I GUARANTEE you based on the demos that the .22 is worthless. It has no headroom at louder volumes, so you are going to have your JMP tone distorted through the breakup of that amp So,the real question is whether the .44 has both the power AND the headroom to deliver the JMP signal loud enough without stomping all over it by breaking up at loud volumes. That is something I am not certain about.

HeHasTheJazzHands · 08-20-2012, 11:51 AM

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Capel · 08-20-2012, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V-man

- Can EITHER the .22 or .44 compete on its own in a live band setting (say with a dirt box as a boost)?.....

In my experience yes - I've got a 22 calibre I bring with me as a backup amp & plug straight out of my pedalboard into... EH have discontinued it & gone to the 44 (more clean headroom)

JohnH · 08-21-2012, 08:12 AM

From my gig bag, I reckon my Crate Powerblock would do this job. It's highly adjustable and it has massive headroom, up to 150w

HeHasTheJazzHands · 08-21-2012, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnH

From my gig bag, I reckon my Crate Powerblock would do this job. It's highly adjustable and it has massive headroom, up to 150w

Also a good idea. Its about the same size as the 1w amps, possibly a bit smaller. Can also be ran in stereo while pushing 75w per side.

allstar100595 · 08-21-2012, 10:13 AM

Anyone know anything about the Bad Cat Unleash? Looks like a pretty interesting piece of gear.

HeHasTheJazzHands · 08-21-2012, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allstar100595

Anyone know anything about the Bad Cat Unleash? Looks like a pretty interesting piece of gear.

From what I heard and saw of it, I think its just a glorified power amp that can whistand higher loads, since most power amps can only whistand line loads. Since your amp can already send out a line out, theres better out there.

08-19-2012, 10:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
allstar100595 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 219	1 Watters with EHX 22 or 44 Hi, I'm looking for a more practical way to get the slaved JMP-1 tone without lugging around my head. I've been looking into these EHX pedals that are 22 or 44 watt power amps, basically. Would setting the 1 watters into low power mode enable me to run through the pedal for more power and into an ext. cab? __________________ Marshall JMP 2203 Marshall JMP-1C Avatar 4x12 Bass Cab w/ V 30's Gibson LP Trad Iced Tea w/ Bare Knuckle Rebel Yells Gibson Explorer w/ Duncan JB and '59 PRS SE One w/ Dimarzio Tone Zone P90 Trailer Trash Pedalboard Way Huge Green Rhino ISP Decimator G String Korg Pitchblack EB Volume EVH Phase 90 EVH Flanger

08-19-2012, 02:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
David Corrales Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Costa Rica Posts: 464	Re: 1 Watters with EHX 22 or 44 From what I've read in other posts you should be able to do just as you said.

08-19-2012, 05:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
Fiftywattmafia Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: CT Posts: 92	Re: 1 Watters with EHX 22 or 44 Does a 1 watt tube amp lose its purpose when selecting a solid state power amp? It may make it louder but I'm not sure its what I want to do with a 1 watt... unless in a pinch. Nice to have the option...but why not own a DSL 50 Edit...you don't want to lug....ok....understand

08-19-2012, 06:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
David Corrales Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Costa Rica Posts: 464	Re: 1 Watters with EHX 22 or 44 Well, you will be amplifying the pre and power section distortion coming from the mini head. The power section of the second amp should be as clean as possible to just amplify the sound of the mini.

08-19-2012, 07:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
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08-19-2012, 09:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
Fiftywattmafia Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: CT Posts: 92	Re: 1 Watters with EHX 22 or 44 Definitely not trying to be a party pooper....it is a rather good idea to conveniently boost your wattage...and inexpensive. I wonder what the Badcat Unleash will be like....that could be a winner for the 1 watt heads....but its still not tube.

08-19-2012, 11:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
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08-20-2012, 10:47 AM	#9 (permalink)
allstar100595 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 219	Re: 1 Watters with EHX 22 or 44 Well, I guess my reason of doing this is just for rehearsal when I don't feel like carrying around my head, or maybe my head is at the rehearsal space and I wanna play louder than 1 watt, or perhaps even as a backup rig in case something on the head blows out and I wouldn't need to mic the 1 watter. The Unleash sounds very interesting, and I would actually probably buy it right now if I knew whether or not it can act as an attenuator as well as a volume boost. I could have one channel programmed as the boost for the JMP-1 or an attenuator for a regular head. Hmmm __________________ Marshall JMP 2203 Marshall JMP-1C Avatar 4x12 Bass Cab w/ V 30's Gibson LP Trad Iced Tea w/ Bare Knuckle Rebel Yells Gibson Explorer w/ Duncan JB and '59 PRS SE One w/ Dimarzio Tone Zone P90 Trailer Trash Pedalboard Way Huge Green Rhino ISP Decimator G String Korg Pitchblack EB Volume EVH Phase 90 EVH Flanger

08-20-2012, 11:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
V-man Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,821	Re: 1 Watters with EHX 22 or 44 Ok, this is not making any sense to me. - I am hearing you don't want to lug "the head" around. I have to be assuming that you mean a 40+ pound JMP head, not the JMP1 head (or this discussion would be moot). Then what you want to do instead is take a JMP1 in 0.1W to the EHX micro amp, to the cab. My first question to that is "why would you do that nonsense when you can simply put the JMP1 on 1W mode and use it through a cab?" If the answer is "Because I practice in a live band setting and the 1w setting is not enough volume, so I need more power to compete with drums", then we have some other issues to contend with. - Can EITHER the .22 or .44 compete on its own in a live band setting (say with a dirt box as a boost)? If not, the whole plan is worthless based on the inadequate power of the EHX boxes. - Second, What about headroom? I GUARANTEE you based on the demos that the .22 is worthless. It has no headroom at louder volumes, so you are going to have your JMP tone distorted through the breakup of that amp So,the real question is whether the .44 has both the power AND the headroom to deliver the JMP signal loud enough without stomping all over it by breaking up at loud volumes. That is something I am not certain about. __________________ If you are wondering why I am no longer posting/on-site: http://www.marshallforum.com/backsta...ds-grunch.html

08-20-2012, 11:51 AM	#11 (permalink)
HeHasTheJazzHands Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Louisiana Posts: 4,114	Re: 1 Watters with EHX 22 or 44 GM50 :: Matrix You're welcome. wakjob likes this. __________________ Djong

08-21-2012, 08:12 AM	#13 (permalink)
JohnH Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wilton NSW Posts: 1,702	Re: 1 Watters with EHX 22 or 44 From my gig bag, I reckon my Crate Powerblock would do this job. It's highly adjustable and it has massive headroom, up to 150w __________________ DSL401 Crate Powerblock 1 x 12 Vintage 30 cab '76 Shergold Masquerader '91 Les Paul Studio '83 Roadstar '10 American Special Strat HSS

08-21-2012, 10:13 AM	#15 (permalink)
allstar100595 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 219	Re: 1 Watters with EHX 22 or 44 Anyone know anything about the Bad Cat Unleash? Looks like a pretty interesting piece of gear. __________________ Marshall JMP 2203 Marshall JMP-1C Avatar 4x12 Bass Cab w/ V 30's Gibson LP Trad Iced Tea w/ Bare Knuckle Rebel Yells Gibson Explorer w/ Duncan JB and '59 PRS SE One w/ Dimarzio Tone Zone P90 Trailer Trash Pedalboard Way Huge Green Rhino ISP Decimator G String Korg Pitchblack EB Volume EVH Phase 90 EVH Flanger

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