How loud is this going to be?

mountain2012 · 02-06-2012, 03:38 PM

Will this setup totally overpower my hard rock band? We are a 3 piece like the band Nirvana. I ask because I am not able to play with my band for a long while and want to order this equipment.

A 50 watt JCM800 with the gain turned to 6.5 and the volume at 6.5 as well. 2x12 with 16ohm Jensen Alnico speakers rated at 96db.

My cathode biased Orange rated at 30 watts completely cranked through a 2x12 8 ohm speakers rated at 96db was just right except I don't like cathode bias for hard rock. The Orange was approx 3db louder than the Marshall, but doesn't sound louder because of the Orange's low-mid emphasis.

Whatdya think?

Marshall & Moonshine · 02-06-2012, 03:42 PM

Can't speak to dB, but I have an 800 2x12 50 watt combo, and can tell you that, at those settings, your drummer better put his Big Boy pants on, and bring some heavy sticks.

TwinACStacks · 02-06-2012, 04:47 PM

2204's are extremely loud even by Marshall Standards.

TWIN

Marshall & Moonshine · 02-06-2012, 05:13 PM

Yeah, they MIGHT hear the snare...

BluesRocker · 02-06-2012, 05:49 PM

Loud enough to cause a tsunami at the Red Sea and make people think Moses raised from the dead to bring his people back.

Rockbert · 02-06-2012, 07:32 PM

Why have you already pre-decided on the volume setting? Most people just adjust the knob to the right level to mix with the band, the size of the room, etc. Some people don't adjust but you don't want to be that guy...

JayCM800 · 02-06-2012, 11:54 PM

I always use my "settings"!! But i reached them AFTER playing and fiddling while rehearsing for a while! You know... they put knobs on the amps for a reason!

MonstersOfTheMidway · 02-07-2012, 07:07 AM

That's loud enough to end your ability to reproduce.
That's loud enough to break your teeth.
That's loud enough to make your hair turn gray.
get the picture?

blues_n_cues · 02-07-2012, 07:16 AM

i have a 50wt jcm800 & w/ everything on 7 the drummer is under his kit hiding.

lucidspoon · 02-07-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockbert

Why have you already pre-decided on the volume setting?

I was wondering the same thing. Even if you've played with it by yourself and that's where you got the best sound, the amp's going to sound completely different with other instruments anyway. Plus, soundguys will HATE you if you aren't willing to turn down.

Marshall & Moonshine · 02-07-2012, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by blues_n_cues

i have a 50wt jcm800 & w/ everything on 7 the drummer is under his kit hiding.

YES!!!!! Run away, sissy drummer!!!! Or We of the Mighty 800's shall smite you yet again!! And this time....
You will NOT get up.

Master Volume amps are only called that because only they can Master the Volume and use it for evil.
(No coffee was injured in the writing of this post....)

Grunch · 02-07-2012, 09:25 AM

You guys must play with some weak wristed drummers.

Pre-determining how loud you're gonna be pretty much guarantees that you don't know how to play live. A band has to work together, as a unit. If your tone is so off that you can't hear yourself without being stupid loud, then you need to re-think what you're doing.

Marshall & Moonshine · 02-07-2012, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Grunch

You guys must play with some weak wristed drummers.

Pre-determining how loud you're gonna be pretty much guarantees that you don't know how to play live. A band has to work together, as a unit. If your tone is so off that you can't hear yourself without being stupid loud, then you need to re-think what you're doing.

Plug an 800 into enough speakers and you wouldn't hear Lars being raped while he plays.
Never assume what people know about playing live by what they write on the interwebs. Some folks don't express themselves too good.
I've got 2 Grammys. Bet you didn't know that about me. It's what happens when people assume.

Marshall & Moonshine · 02-07-2012, 09:45 AM

I actually made up the "2 Grammys" thing, but still...
You shouldn't assume.

lucidspoon · 02-07-2012, 09:49 AM

Don't worry. I assumed you were making it up.

Grunch · 02-07-2012, 09:49 AM

I would hope someone with Grammy awards wouldn't be jacking around on a message board. You could have 20 grammys and I wouldn't care. You're still just a guy on the internet.

But you're right. I shouldn't assume. I just know the type.

Marshall & Moonshine · 02-07-2012, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucidspoon

Don't worry. I assumed you were making it up.

You don't have to know me long to know me well.
(That's what she said!

)
And, damnit!
Stop assuming! Personally I never assume; I can make an ass of me by just standing here. Assuming seems like extra work.
But that's just an assumption of sorts.

demonufo · 02-07-2012, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountain2012

Will this setup totally overpower my hard rock band? We are a 3 piece like the band Nirvana. I ask because I am not able to play with my band for a long while and want to order this equipment.

A 50 watt JCM800 with the gain turned to 6.5 and the volume at 6.5 as well. 2x12 with 16ohm Jensen Alnico speakers rated at 96db.

My cathode biased Orange rated at 30 watts completely cranked through a 2x12 8 ohm speakers rated at 96db was just right except I don't like cathode bias for hard rock. The Orange was approx 3db louder than the Marshall, but doesn't sound louder because of the Orange's low-mid emphasis.

Whatdya think?

I think you're deliberately talking out of the crack out your arse to see what opinions people come up with. And I feel pretty much the same way about most of the posts you have made so far.

"Don't like cathode bias for hard rock"

Well that's one of the stupidest statements I've ever heard in my entire lifespan.

How the hell is anybody supposed to know whether ANY gear will overpower anybody else's band, unless they've actually played with them (preferably with said gear and settings)

You're a complete phool, and I personally think, a very deliberate one at that.

I can't believe you guys fall for this schitt!

Marshall & Moonshine · 02-07-2012, 10:47 AM

I hate cathode biasing too.
Wait, what does my amp have??

zachman · 02-08-2012, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountain2012

Will this setup totally overpower my hard rock band? We are a 3 piece like the band Nirvana. I ask because I am not able to play with my band for a long while and want to order this equipment.

A 50 watt JCM800 with the gain turned to 6.5 and the volume at 6.5 as well. 2x12 with 16ohm Jensen Alnico speakers rated at 96db.

My cathode biased Orange rated at 30 watts completely cranked through a 2x12 8 ohm speakers rated at 96db was just right except I don't like cathode bias for hard rock. The Orange was approx 3db louder than the Marshall, but doesn't sound louder because of the Orange's low-mid emphasis.

Whatdya think?

I think IF cranking a 30 watt amp is not loud enough, everyone else in your band is playing too ****ing loud, unless you're playing outdoor festival sized gigs, and not running your amp through the monitors, or you're hearing impaired.

What size venues, if any, are you and your band playing?

You're over-thinking things.

Ken · 02-08-2012, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshall & Moonshine

I actually made up the "2 Grammys" thing, but still...
You shouldn't assume.

I had two Grannies...

Ken

Ken · 02-08-2012, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshall & Moonshine

I hate cathode biasing too.
Wait, what does my amp have??

I think he meant 'class A amp' maybe?

Ken

Marshall & Moonshine · 02-08-2012, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken

I think he meant 'class A amp' maybe?

Ken

Yeah, I'm no guru (surely you know THAT by now

), but hating the biasing method is like prefering how your sprinklers work with 3/4" pvc over 3/4" copper.
Same flow. My understanding is that one biasing method is adjustable with a screwdriver, and the other requires a resistor swap or something.
I could be wrong. I'm good at that.

02-06-2012, 03:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
mountain2012 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 176	How loud is this going to be? Will this setup totally overpower my hard rock band? We are a 3 piece like the band Nirvana. I ask because I am not able to play with my band for a long while and want to order this equipment. A 50 watt JCM800 with the gain turned to 6.5 and the volume at 6.5 as well. 2x12 with 16ohm Jensen Alnico speakers rated at 96db. My cathode biased Orange rated at 30 watts completely cranked through a 2x12 8 ohm speakers rated at 96db was just right except I don't like cathode bias for hard rock. The Orange was approx 3db louder than the Marshall, but doesn't sound louder because of the Orange's low-mid emphasis. Whatdya think? __________________ "teh most gains"

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