Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? - Page 65

MartyStrat54 · 11-01-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by solarburnDSL50

Well I love playing the blues, classic rock and up to hard rock. Classic stuff I like are early Sabbath, Iron Maiden, ACDC, early Rush, early ZZ, Molly Hatchet, Nugent, GNR etc. You know, mostly Marshall tunes he he.

I like my amp to be harmonically rich, singing feed back, responsive to touch with good sustain and articulate. Can clean up with guitar volume roll off. So I look for tubes that help create these things in my DSL50.

The preamps I'm using now are a nice fit for what I want especially from clean to midgain tones. The CV4024 has a gain factor of 60 compared to a 12Ax7 at 100. It made the gain more articulate and didn't neuter the gain of the amp by any means. The AC5's just sound good and the LPS makes a great PI.

With this combo the amps EQ actually works when adding highs, mids and lows. That's another tell tale sign of having a grouping of tubes that work well with my amp and what I'm after.

To finish off my tone stack I always boost to get a better texture of gain, not more gain. Mostly to add some body to the tone that the amp isn't capable of producing on its own. That's how I roll my DSL and I love the amp.

---TUBE FLASHBACK MOMENT---

So here is a post from page 3. It will be the first installment of TUBE FLASHBACK MOMENT. I will go through this snake of a thread and pull out old posts so others can reflect on them or make new comment.

In this case, I'll ask Joe how is amp sounds now as compared to when he first joined the thread? What was it like when you realized that a better sound was available with the right NOS tubes? Give us a short run down on what's happened to your tube line up since 4/03/2009?

solarburnDSL50 · 11-01-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

---TUBE FLASHBACK MOMENT---

So here is a post from page 3. It will be the first installment of TUBE FLASHBACK MOMENT. I will go through this snake of a thread and pull out old posts so others can reflect on them or make new comment.

In this case, I'll ask Joe how is amp sounds now as compared to when he first joined the thread? What was it like when you realized that a better sound was available with the right NOS tubes? Give us a short run down on what's happened to your tube line up since 4/03/2009?

This was a great idea Marty. Well since then I have a completely different line up in the preamp as well as the power section.

My goal or characteristics of what I want remain the same. I think looking back that AT7 in V1 helped in regards to cleaning up the gain and guitar roll off. The AC-5(Chinese 12AX7)in V2 was a decent tube gain/tone wise and since it was in the second slot only so much of its character was adding to the overall preamp tone. The mids and lower frequencies aren't as clear as my newly added NOS offerings though. V3 & V4 don't matter as much in tone shaping(unless they were turds)so they were good enough not to harm the tone but finish it off well.

CLean articulate gain is what I got. The only thing it was missing was some lowend and thick mids and a bit of punch which was what the pedal was helping with. Of course the crunch wasn't as crunchy either but surprisingly sounded good. Clean was nice. This was not a high gain set up.

With the additions of the RFT, BP, Mullard, RCA, 7025's I was able to get a warmer, fatter bottom and smoother topend. Again the EQ adjustments actually make a difference without going from one extreme to another turning the knob. Also was able to get a bit more meat out of the mids I think due to some emphasis on the lower mids. The RFT and Raytheon BP were responsible for that. Plenty of lowend available. Mullard has great mids.

Generally I boost the crunch channel mostly. I have switched lately to playing lead 2 at a lower gain setting and it sounds good. I'm not boosting it. Before it was a bit of a flubby and not so articulate voicing. Pretty sure I'm getting more clarity and warmness out of the line up I have:

V1-RFT/7025/JP(Interchange)
V2-JP/BP/Mullard/RFT(Interchange)
V3-RCA
PI-RFT/LPS(if I want to save my NOS)
Power tubes-6CA7EH's

I like to play hard rock and under. I don't go very heavy much so I don't set my amp up for that. I don't worry about a tube not being able to handle the cathode follower(V3)any more although any tube can fail. The NOS are built to handle the current though.

If I had to play current production tubes only I could make do cause I've learned alot about mixing tubes for the sounds and dynamics I want. For cleans, blues, midgain tones I really think the NOS shine through. For high gain stuff who gives a shit about dynamics use whatever.

I will say with the right power tubes you can add to the amps warm, fat bottom, thick meaty mids and restrained smoother highs even more.

Disclaimer:

I may have imagined all this in my head and convinced myself tubes matter...or not.

RiverRatt · 11-02-2009, 11:47 AM

Hey Marty, look what popped up on eBay:

Sonotone 12AX7 ECC83 Rare Side Getter Stereo Tubes USA - eBay (item 400078435193 end time Nov-10-09 10:49:21 PST)

Procter2812 · 11-02-2009, 12:35 PM

The pictures are bad quality but my camera is messed up

Its a nice sounding valve. Hope you can tell what it is by the pictures!

MartyStrat54 · 11-02-2009, 12:40 PM

She must have recently posted that listing, because I went through the 12AX7 listings yesterday, up to and including auctions that close in 6 days. I did find several pairs of Sonotones made in W. Germany. These were top getters. Nice eye that you spotted this. If it is already at $32 with six days to go, it might be a high dollar tube. Carefully guard yours, or I may snag them.

Audiophiles with tube headphone amps, just love to have a drawer full of exotic 12AX7's. Headphone amps only use one tube. You can hear every detail of the tube, including the background noise. I would love to find me a tube headphone amp. If you see one, please bring it to my attention. Some are very high priced for no more than what they are. Of course, the audiophiles are using $500 dynamic headphones and $2000 electrostatics.

I may look around for a tube microphone amp. because using it with a good tube tester, you got all the bases covered. This amps will weed out a microphonic tube quickly.

Anyway, if she was selling a pair, I might be interested. I will watch this listing just to see how much $$$ she gets out of this tube.

MartyStrat54 · 11-02-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Procter2812

The pictures are bad quality but my camera is messed up

Its a nice sounding valve. Hope you can tell what it is by the pictures!

Take a look at your camera. It should have different shooting modes. For tube pic's you want the "Close Up" mode. Select it and then use something to steady your camera. I use a small, thick book. I'm trying to take pictures using the same method each time, so I get better each time I take pictures.

Look on your camera and see if it has different shooting modes.

MartyStrat54 · 11-02-2009, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solarburnDSL50

This was a great idea Marty. Well since then I have a completely different line up in the preamp as well as the power section.

My goal or characteristics of what I want remain the same. I think looking back that AT7 in V1 helped in regards to cleaning up the gain and guitar roll off. The AC-5(Chinese 12AX7)in V2 was a decent tube gain/tone wise and since it was in the second slot only so much of its character was adding to the overall preamp tone. The mids and lower frequencies aren't as clear as my newly added NOS offerings though. V3 & V4 don't matter as much in tone shaping(unless they were turds)so they were good enough not to harm the tone but finish it off well.

CLean articulate gain is what I got. The only thing it was missing was some lowend and thick mids and a bit of punch which was what the pedal was helping with. Of course the crunch wasn't as crunchy either but surprisingly sounded good. Clean was nice. This was not a high gain set up.

With the additions of the RFT, BP, Mullard, RCA, 7025's I was able to get a warmer, fatter bottom and smoother topend. Again the EQ adjustments actually make a difference without going from one extreme to another turning the knob. Also was able to get a bit more meat out of the mids I think due to some emphasis on the lower mids. The RFT and Raytheon BP were responsible for that. Plenty of lowend available. Mullard has great mids.

Generally I boost the crunch channel mostly. I have switched lately to playing lead 2 at a lower gain setting and it sounds good. I'm not boosting it. Before it was a bit of a flubby and not so articulate voicing. Pretty sure I'm getting more clarity and warmness out of the line up I have:

V1-RFT/7025/JP(Interchange)
V2-JP/BP/Mullard/RFT(Interchange)
V3-RCA
PI-RFT/LPS(if I want to save my NOS)
Power tubes-6CA7EH's

I like to play hard rock and under. I don't go very heavy much so I don't set my amp up for that. I don't worry about a tube not being able to handle the cathode follower(V3)any more although any tube can fail. The NOS are built to handle the current though.

If I had to play current production tubes only I could make do cause I've learned alot about mixing tubes for the sounds and dynamics I want. For cleans, blues, midgain tones I really think the NOS shine through. For high gain stuff who gives a shit about dynamics use whatever.

I will say with the right power tubes you can add to the amps warm, fat bottom, thick meaty mids and restrained smoother highs even more.

Disclaimer:

I may have imagined all this in my head and convinced myself tubes matter...or not.

Thanks for the quick response Joe. If you are new here to the thread, or just popping in, Joe had current production (CP) tubes in his DSL50 about six or seven months ago. Joe started rolling NOS tubes in the spring of this year. Over the months, there have been a lot of different tubes acquired by Joe. We all were doing extensive tone tests. We all started out with a base set of tubes and from that point, we all went with our own individual tastes. It's good to have enough good tubes to set a standard. You can then work from the standard and this is what Joe has done. I know for a fact that he has put each and every one of his tubes in his amp in different positions and played his guitar through each setup. A real hardcore tube roller.

Believe it or not, one of the main things you want to do is get a solid V3 and V4 in your amp. This is part of the "standard set" I was talking about. Once you do this, then you can roll tubes in V1 and V2.

Joe recently switched over to Electro-Harmonix 6CA7's. These are a direct replacement for the EL-34. Joe will also be testing some different types of Telefunken 12AX7's in his amp and making a decision about them. I hope that he will give us an update later on when his testing is completed.

Once again, thanks Joe, for the response.

MartyStrat54 · 11-02-2009, 01:36 PM

FYI-I'll be in Oklahoma for the next two days. I catch up with you all when I get back. Carry on.

RiverRatt · 11-02-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Procter2812

The pictures are bad quality but my camera is messed up

Its a nice sounding valve. Hope you can tell what it is by the pictures!

I'll venture a guess that it's a Brimar, but it's hard to tell. Does it have any codes etched in just above the base of the tube?

RiverRatt · 11-02-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

FYI-I'll be in Oklahoma for the next two days. I catch up with you all when I get back. Carry on.

If you are still around, check this out. I think I found your mystery Raytheon. It looks like a Valvo ECC83 made in Hamburg, Germany. Go here and look at the Hamburg tube with the 45˚ getter about halfway down the page on the left.

Procter2812 · 11-02-2009, 04:25 PM

Yeah its a Brimar but i was just wandering who made it for Brimar... I have a Mullard made Brimar. but this one is different to my other two in V1 and V2 ( Mullard Yellow label and Brimar (mullard yellow label)

Its a good valve. But looks like Martys Amperex.

RiverRatt · 11-02-2009, 05:11 PM

There was some re-branding that went on with all tube companies, but yours looks like it's a genuine Brimar. It's got a Brimar date and type code on it. The 4N2 is the week/month/year of manufacture (although I have no idea what month N is). 2162 is one of Brimar's codes for an ECC83 and probably has something to do with the type of plates and construction used.

van · 11-03-2009, 11:05 AM

Nice freaking thread! Great Info Marty and guys!

MartyStrat54 · 11-03-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RiverRatt

If you are still around, check this out. I think I found your mystery Raytheon. It looks like a Valvo ECC83 made in Hamburg, Germany. Go here and look at the Hamburg tube with the 45˚ getter about halfway down the page on the left.

That's what I like about you Alan...you got it bad. You're a tube-aholic. You nailed that slant top getter. Of course Valvo is a Philips brand. I would really like to try out a Valvo, Miniwatt and Amperex in a headphone amp and see how they sound. I would have to say similar.

Once again, great job of nailing that down.

MartyStrat54 · 11-03-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Procter2812

[IMG]Yeah its a Brimar but i was just wandering who made it for Brimar... I have a Mullard made Brimar. but this one is different to my other two in V1 and V2 ( Mullard Yellow label and Brimar (mullard yellow label)

Its a good valve. But looks like Martys Amperex.

Man, you have some really good tubes now. You've come up the food chain. How's that Marshall sounding now? Great job.

RiverRatt · 11-03-2009, 11:01 PM

If you think that's something, check your email. I have a line on someone who has a line on a bucketful of 1955 RCA side-getter 12AX7s, and I can't afford them!!!! At least I have my two. I wish I could post the info here, but that probably wouldn't be cool. The person who has them says they are the best USA 12AX7 tube ever made and compares them to Tele 803s and Hamburg Valvos. Not bad company to be seen with.

MartyStrat54 · 11-04-2009, 12:12 AM

I got your email and I responded back to you. Please reply.

Procter2812 · 11-04-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

Man, you have some really good tubes now. You've come up the food chain. How's that Marshall sounding now? Great job.

Ahh man its sounding awesome!

The EL34's have worn in now and its not as harsh sounding. Real smooth Overdrive and i can actually use the EQ now!

Im gonna keep looking around for some NOS bargains for later on beacuse I use my amp loads now with being in 2 bands now.

Iv finally found my tone

Alex

ken361 · 11-04-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Procter2812

Ahh man its sounding awesome!

The EL34's have worn in now and its not as harsh sounding. Real smooth Overdrive and i can actually use the EQ now!

Im gonna keep looking around for some NOS bargains for later on beacuse I use my amp loads now with being in 2 bands now.

Iv finally found my tone

Alex

how long did it take to break in?

Procter2812 · 11-05-2009, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ken361

how long did it take to break in?

Quite a while... id say 30 hours or so at least of use.

The amp quit on me in April after about 15 gigs.

I sent it back and they sent it back with a new quad of EL34's. When i got it back it sounded good, just a bit harsh, gritty and trebley.

So played it for the next 10 gigs or so and i noticed that every 5 gigs or so i had to increase the treble from 4 to around 6/7.

Then i stuck the Mullards/ Brimars in and the tone just went so much smoother and I could use the presence control. The Chinese stock ECC83's were gritty and quite harsh on your ears at times so i had to dial back the presence.

No iv got the EQ at

Presence: 4
Bass: 5
Mids:6
Treble:6
Pre-Amp: 6/7

Then i use a tube screamer infront.
I tend not to use too much pre-amp volume because i like to crank the master then get the tube-screamer infront and it kicks ass!

RiverRatt · 11-05-2009, 12:46 PM

I was reading the new Guitar Center holiday catalog this morning. The new Spider Valve amps feature a 12AX7 40 watt preamp with a 6L6 power amp. How many 12AX7s would it take to put out 40 watts? At least 40?

I'm glad for the comic relief. I used to have to wait for the Sears Christmas catalog to find humor in musical instruments. If only GC would put "...for ease of playing" after every little incidental feature.

ken361 · 11-05-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RiverRatt

I was reading the new Guitar Center holiday catalog this morning. The new Spider Valve amps feature a 12AX7 40 watt preamp with a 6L6 power amp. How many 12AX7s would it take to put out 40 watts? At least 40?

I'm glad for the comic relief. I used to have to wait for the Sears Christmas catalog to find humor in musical instruments. If only GC would put "...for ease of playing" after every little incidental feature.

there last amp had 2 6l6's and 2 preamps nothing big!

RiverRatt · 11-05-2009, 01:16 PM

But a 40 watt preamp? Man, that's blasting.

wegman · 11-05-2009, 01:17 PM

I got to the tube organ and I scored heavily!!!! 23 12AX7s. There are 9 RCA, 3 GE, and the rest say Baldwin on them.

I will try to post some pics but I don't expect them to be good.

I am so excited to try these.

JOhn

Procter2812 · 11-05-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by wegman

I got to the tube organ and I scored heavily!!!! 23 12AX7s. There are 9 RCA, 3 GE, and the rest say Baldwin on them.

I will try to post some pics but I don't expect them to be good.

I am so excited to try these.

JOhn

Bullseye!

MartyStrat54 · 11-05-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wegman

I got to the tube organ and I scored heavily!!!! 23 12AX7s. There are 9 RCA, 3 GE, and the rest say Baldwin on them.

I will try to post some pics but I don't expect them to be good.

I am so excited to try these.

JOhn

Holy cow, John! What I'd give for a find like that. The ones that say Baldwin could be almost anything. If you look at all of the Baldwins, are they the same? Same plate size, same color, same/similar codes? If any/all of them have black plates, they are probably Raytheon Black Plates, as Raytheon made a load of tubes for Baldwin. If they are gray plates, they are probably Sylvania's.

Try to get the clearest pictures taken that you can, showing at least three sides of the tube and any info on the tube. We should be able to tell you what you have. You don't have to do all of them at once. Just group the tubes into similar lots and then we just need one picture of a tube from each lot.

What color is the ink on the RCA tubes...white or red?

Also, just by chance, do the GE's have black or gray plates?

Were there any power tubes in the amp? Speakers? Let us know, I love it when someone makes a big score.

Looking forward to seeing what you got.

wegman · 11-05-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

Holy cow, John! What I'd give for a find like that. The ones that say Baldwin could be almost anything. If you look at all of the Baldwins, are they the same? Same plate size, same color, same/similar codes? If any/all of them have black plates, they are probably Raytheon Black Plates, as Raytheon made a load of tubes for Baldwin. If they are gray plates, they are probably Sylvania's.

Try to get the clearest pictures taken that you can, showing at least three sides of the tube and any info on the tube. We should be able to tell you what you have. You don't have to do all of them at once. Just group the tubes into similar lots and then we just need one picture of a tube from each lot.

What color is the ink on the RCA tubes...white or red?

Also, just by chance, do the GE's have black or gray plates?

Were there any power tubes in the amp? Speakers? Let us know, I love it when someone makes a big score.

Looking forward to seeing what you got.

I will try to get some pics tonight.

The RCA's have orange or red printing on them.

The GE's plates appear to be grey

I have a couple Baldwin tubes that definetly have black plates.

There are 3 Gl6l6 tubes still in the organ I didn't grab along with a bunch of 12AU7 and other small tubes.

ken361 · 11-05-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wegman

I got to the tube organ and I scored heavily!!!! 23 12AX7s. There are 9 RCA, 3 GE, and the rest say Baldwin on them.

I will try to post some pics but I don't expect them to be good.

I am so excited to try these.

JOhn

I seen on craigs list a few times people selling hammond organs, good score for tubes~!

MartyStrat54 · 11-05-2009, 05:39 PM

I want to welcome some new guys to the thread, Ken, Procter and John. Please feel free to ask any questions. I would like to see you post your comments about NOS tubes and the tones you get with them out of your amp.

Again welcome to the thread.

MartyStrat54 · 11-05-2009, 05:40 PM

Hey Joe, I sent you a PM about the Tele's.

11-02-2009, 11:47 AM	#1923 (permalink)
RiverRatt Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Between Memphis and Nashville Posts: 517	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? Hey Marty, look what popped up on eBay: Sonotone 12AX7 ECC83 Rare Side Getter Stereo Tubes USA - eBay (item 400078435193 end time Nov-10-09 10:49:21 PST)

11-02-2009, 12:35 PM	#1924 (permalink)
Procter2812 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 333	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? The pictures are bad quality but my camera is messed up Its a nice sounding valve. Hope you can tell what it is by the pictures! __________________ www.sexpistolstribute.co.uk JCM800 2203X JCM2000 TSL100 Marshall 1936 Gibson Les Paul Custom Orville Les Paul Custom Fender Highway One Stratocaster Boss EQ Ibanez Tube Screamer Crybaby Wah Boss TU-2

11-02-2009, 12:40 PM	#1925 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Formerly Phoenix, now north of KC Posts: 2,583	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? She must have recently posted that listing, because I went through the 12AX7 listings yesterday, up to and including auctions that close in 6 days. I did find several pairs of Sonotones made in W. Germany. These were top getters. Nice eye that you spotted this. If it is already at $32 with six days to go, it might be a high dollar tube. Carefully guard yours, or I may snag them. Audiophiles with tube headphone amps, just love to have a drawer full of exotic 12AX7's. Headphone amps only use one tube. You can hear every detail of the tube, including the background noise. I would love to find me a tube headphone amp. If you see one, please bring it to my attention. Some are very high priced for no more than what they are. Of course, the audiophiles are using $500 dynamic headphones and $2000 electrostatics. I may look around for a tube microphone amp. because using it with a good tube tester, you got all the bases covered. This amps will weed out a microphonic tube quickly. Anyway, if she was selling a pair, I might be interested. I will watch this listing just to see how much $$$ she gets out of this tube. __________________ MARTY 2009 Gibson Explorer-Hell Raising Machine 1989 Fender Strat Plus USA 2008 Fender Tele USA 2004 Schecter Elite w/DiMarzio's TSL100 with custom 4x12 cab. TSL122 with Man 'O War Speakers. TSL602 #1 with JBL D123 Speakers and 602 #2 with Altec 417 Speakers. "Oh so sweet my friends." DSL401 #1 with Red Fang Speaker and 401 #2 with JBL D123 Speaker. Tubes: Let's just say they are NOS that kick ass.

11-02-2009, 01:36 PM	#1928 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Formerly Phoenix, now north of KC Posts: 2,583	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? FYI-I'll be in Oklahoma for the next two days. I catch up with you all when I get back. Carry on. __________________ MARTY 2009 Gibson Explorer-Hell Raising Machine 1989 Fender Strat Plus USA 2008 Fender Tele USA 2004 Schecter Elite w/DiMarzio's TSL100 with custom 4x12 cab. TSL122 with Man 'O War Speakers. TSL602 #1 with JBL D123 Speakers and 602 #2 with Altec 417 Speakers. "Oh so sweet my friends." DSL401 #1 with Red Fang Speaker and 401 #2 with JBL D123 Speaker. Tubes: Let's just say they are NOS that kick ass.

11-02-2009, 04:25 PM	#1931 (permalink)
Procter2812 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 333	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? Yeah its a Brimar but i was just wandering who made it for Brimar... I have a Mullard made Brimar. but this one is different to my other two in V1 and V2 ( Mullard Yellow label and Brimar (mullard yellow label) Its a good valve. But looks like Martys Amperex. __________________ www.sexpistolstribute.co.uk JCM800 2203X JCM2000 TSL100 Marshall 1936 Gibson Les Paul Custom Orville Les Paul Custom Fender Highway One Stratocaster Boss EQ Ibanez Tube Screamer Crybaby Wah Boss TU-2

11-02-2009, 05:11 PM	#1932 (permalink)
RiverRatt Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Between Memphis and Nashville Posts: 517	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? There was some re-branding that went on with all tube companies, but yours looks like it's a genuine Brimar. It's got a Brimar date and type code on it. The 4N2 is the week/month/year of manufacture (although I have no idea what month N is). 2162 is one of Brimar's codes for an ECC83 and probably has something to do with the type of plates and construction used. Last edited by RiverRatt; 11-02-2009 at 11:11 PM.

11-03-2009, 11:05 AM	#1933 (permalink)
van Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? Nice freaking thread! Great Info Marty and guys!

11-03-2009, 11:01 PM	#1936 (permalink)
RiverRatt Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Between Memphis and Nashville Posts: 517	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? If you think that's something, check your email. I have a line on someone who has a line on a bucketful of 1955 RCA side-getter 12AX7s, and I can't afford them!!!! At least I have my two. I wish I could post the info here, but that probably wouldn't be cool. The person who has them says they are the best USA 12AX7 tube ever made and compares them to Tele 803s and Hamburg Valvos. Not bad company to be seen with.

11-04-2009, 12:12 AM	#1937 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Formerly Phoenix, now north of KC Posts: 2,583	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? I got your email and I responded back to you. Please reply. __________________ MARTY 2009 Gibson Explorer-Hell Raising Machine 1989 Fender Strat Plus USA 2008 Fender Tele USA 2004 Schecter Elite w/DiMarzio's TSL100 with custom 4x12 cab. TSL122 with Man 'O War Speakers. TSL602 #1 with JBL D123 Speakers and 602 #2 with Altec 417 Speakers. "Oh so sweet my friends." DSL401 #1 with Red Fang Speaker and 401 #2 with JBL D123 Speaker. Tubes: Let's just say they are NOS that kick ass.

11-05-2009, 12:46 PM	#1941 (permalink)
RiverRatt Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Between Memphis and Nashville Posts: 517	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? I was reading the new Guitar Center holiday catalog this morning. The new Spider Valve amps feature a 12AX7 40 watt preamp with a 6L6 power amp. How many 12AX7s would it take to put out 40 watts? At least 40? I'm glad for the comic relief. I used to have to wait for the Sears Christmas catalog to find humor in musical instruments. If only GC would put "...for ease of playing" after every little incidental feature.

11-05-2009, 01:16 PM	#1943 (permalink)
RiverRatt Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Between Memphis and Nashville Posts: 517	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? But a 40 watt preamp? Man, that's blasting.

11-05-2009, 01:17 PM	#1944 (permalink)
wegman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 138	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? I got to the tube organ and I scored heavily!!!! 23 12AX7s. There are 9 RCA, 3 GE, and the rest say Baldwin on them. I will try to post some pics but I don't expect them to be good. I am so excited to try these. JOhn __________________ Ian St Ian says "If your not playing Gibson and Marshall your a wanker!" Marshall JCM 800 2210 (1989) Marshall MG CD10 (hi guys!) Gibson Les Paul Custom (1981) Mackie 24x8 mixing console Alesis ADAT HD 24 digital recorder Shure KSM 27

11-05-2009, 05:39 PM	#1949 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Formerly Phoenix, now north of KC Posts: 2,583	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? I want to welcome some new guys to the thread, Ken, Procter and John. Please feel free to ask any questions. I would like to see you post your comments about NOS tubes and the tones you get with them out of your amp. Again welcome to the thread. __________________ MARTY 2009 Gibson Explorer-Hell Raising Machine 1989 Fender Strat Plus USA 2008 Fender Tele USA 2004 Schecter Elite w/DiMarzio's TSL100 with custom 4x12 cab. TSL122 with Man 'O War Speakers. TSL602 #1 with JBL D123 Speakers and 602 #2 with Altec 417 Speakers. "Oh so sweet my friends." DSL401 #1 with Red Fang Speaker and 401 #2 with JBL D123 Speaker. Tubes: Let's just say they are NOS that kick ass.

11-05-2009, 05:40 PM	#1950 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Formerly Phoenix, now north of KC Posts: 2,583	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? Hey Joe, I sent you a PM about the Tele's. __________________ MARTY 2009 Gibson Explorer-Hell Raising Machine 1989 Fender Strat Plus USA 2008 Fender Tele USA 2004 Schecter Elite w/DiMarzio's TSL100 with custom 4x12 cab. TSL122 with Man 'O War Speakers. TSL602 #1 with JBL D123 Speakers and 602 #2 with Altec 417 Speakers. "Oh so sweet my friends." DSL401 #1 with Red Fang Speaker and 401 #2 with JBL D123 Speaker. Tubes: Let's just say they are NOS that kick ass.

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