Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? - Page 54

MartyStrat54 · 10-05-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by solarburnDSL50

That's a nice lil' lot Jae.

All those tubes represents a lot of cash. Just think about it? Why you could own a JTM45 for what Jae has in those tubes.

solarburnDSL50 · 10-05-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

All those tubes represents a lot of cash. Just think about it? Why you could own a JTM45 for what Jae has in those tubes.

Damn...

Oh that reminds me I've got to start saving...

Jae · 10-05-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

All those tubes represents a lot of cash. Just think about it? Why you could own a JTM45 for what Jae has in those tubes.

Maybe I've just been spending waaaaay too much in just gear and equipment. This is actually NOT a good thing believe me. This is impulse buying at it's worst. It's almost like gambling my money away in my case. As for everyone else on this thread they seem to buy tubes and equipment sparingly and with some care. Me? I'm just spending lavishly. NOT a good thing.

About the JTM45? I don't need another amp either. I already have a '67, '72 Superlead. A 1987x Plexi, JMP Master 2204, Fender Twin Reverb and a bunch of other amps.

I'm glad that from now on I'm NOT going to spend any more on gear. No more tubes and gear for the next while. Now if you can see my problem.

Jae · 10-05-2009, 11:05 PM

It's about time I made a sig for myself, instead of explaining all the time what my gear is!
whew!

solarburnDSL50 · 10-05-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jae

It's about time I made a sig for myself, instead of explaining all the time what my gear is!
whew!

You've got some nice Marshall's my friend. Yes indeed.

MartyStrat54 · 10-06-2009, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jae

It's about time I made a sig for myself, instead of explaining all the time what my gear is!
whew!

Joe, this guy is loaded. You should think about dating him and maybe he would buy you that JTM45?

Jesstaa · 10-06-2009, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jae

Maybe I've just been spending waaaaay too much in just gear and equipment. This is actually NOT a good thing believe me. This is impulse buying at it's worst. It's almost like gambling my money away in my case. As for everyone else on this thread they seem to buy tubes and equipment sparingly and with some care. Me? I'm just spending lavishly. NOT a good thing.

About the JTM45? I don't need another amp either. I already have a '67, '72 Superlead. A 1987x Plexi, JMP Master 2204, Fender Twin Reverb and a bunch of other amps.

I'm glad that from now on I'm NOT going to spend any more on gear. No more tubes and gear for the next while. Now if you can see my problem.

Pics or you just have a couple of old MGs and a bunch of tubes.

Well, would you look at that, 700 posts. IT seems like only yesterday I was looking at this forum like "Lol, Marshalls xD"

Jae · 10-06-2009, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

Joe, this guy is loaded. You should think about dating him and maybe he would buy you that JTM45?

Actually, to be quite honest I'm not loaded at all. I just spent every last penny on gear. Thanks for the compliment though.

Jae · 10-06-2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesstaa

Pics or you just have a couple of old MGs and a bunch of tubes.

Well, would you look at that, 700 posts. IT seems like only yesterday I was looking at this forum like "Lol, Marshalls xD"

You're right. I'll post some pics somewhere.

solarburnDSL50 · 10-06-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

Joe, this guy is loaded. You should think about dating him and maybe he would buy you that JTM45?

That's all I need...a Sugar Daddy!

I want some of that sugar on the BooBs thread...yummy.(Fatty's & Rails no spank you!)

RiverRatt · 10-06-2009, 01:48 PM

Got my little Crate 5 watt combo going. It's a hot little amp. It doesn't seem to care what tubes you throw in it, either. I tried the Mullard ECC83 and a Sylvania 6BQ5 and I couldn't tell that they made much difference. I ended up with a Shugang EL84 and a Tung Sol RI in it.

MartyStrat54 · 10-06-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RiverRatt

Got my little Crate 5 watt combo going. It's a hot little amp. It doesn't seem to care what tubes you throw in it, either. I tried the Mullard ECC83 and a Sylvania 6BQ5 and I couldn't tell that they made much difference. I ended up with a Shugang EL84 and a Tung Sol RI in it.

I would say that's a good thing. An amp that sounds good no matter what you put in it. I want to say "Shugang" just once. It's sounds like shawang.

1600

MartyStrat54 · 10-06-2009, 08:32 PM

Joe...what we were talking about. Here are some Ei 6CA7's in Taiwan and they want $250 for them. You can get Fat Boy Sylvania's for that.

4Pcs. EI 6CA7 / EL34 OO Getter. - eBay (item 290355205932 end time Oct-30-09 19:25:49 PDT)

solarburnDSL50 · 10-06-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

Joe...what we were talking about. Here are some Ei 6CA7's in Taiwan and they want $250 for them. You can get Fat Boy Sylvania's for that.

4Pcs. EI 6CA7 / EL34 OO Getter. - eBay (item 290355205932 end time Oct-30-09 19:25:49 PDT)

Nice...and spendy. That's why I was looking at the EH's version. Its doable for me. The only thing is I don't know how reliable they are. The description given says they are a tough tube. I haven't made my mind up but it may be an experiment to do just to see unless I here some bad shit about the tubes.

I PM'd you.

MartyStrat54 · 10-07-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

RATT...

What do you think about this? Running an RFT EL34 in one slot and a Sylvania Fat Boy 6CA7 in the other slot. Electronically, they are the same, but tone wise they are not. I'll have to try this, as I have an RFT EL34 that tests 88 and also a Fat Boy that tests 88. This could be interesting.

They might combine their mojo and get some mojonation going on.

Well, I did it and it worked just fine. It gave the top end a little more sparkle. The power chords were very fat, as both tubes do have good bottom end. Oh, BTW, this is a 6CA7 Sylvania Fat Boy and a "Mullard" EL34 in one of my 602's. Both tubes tested the same and they biased right up with just the one bias trim pot. (You lucky DSL50 guys have two trim pots.) I guess I'll leave them in there for a while and see if I'm still liking it this weekend.

I would have to say it is sort of like pairing V1 and V2. In this arrangement, the Mullard gets the first part of the signal and then the Sylvania. So the Mullard's tonal characteristics are there "first" and then it goes into the cleaner sound of the Fat Boy. I guess just like V1 and V2, you could swap them around and see if that sounds different or better.

Time Warp-I swapped the tubes around and it does make a difference, especially on the Clean channel. With the Fat Boy in there first and the Mullard on the negative swing of the power cycle, it is a cleaner, tighter sound. The Sylvania has now become like V1 and it's flavor is dominant.

Now you might ask, "Try two Fat Boys." Well I can't. This pair I bought I got a bad deal. They were sold untested and one reads 79 and the other 88. You could probably bias them up in a DSL50. I don't know how wide a swing the amp will tolerate, but I don't like to go more than 8 points between tubes.

So this is sort of fascinating. That the tube on the positive side of the power cycle is like V1 and the characteristics of the negative side of the power cycle is like V2. The negative side adds to the power, but the flavor is stronger coming from the tube first in line with the power cycle.

I had PM'd JOE about Steelhorse's amp that runs the KT66's and the KT88's. He is getting flavor from two completely different sounding tubes. With the EL34 and the 6CA7, they are both electronically the same...pin for pin. However, even though this is true, they do not sound the same. A 6CA7 is more like a 6L6GC in sound. I told JOE that putting 6CA7's in your amp was a quick way to get the KT88 sound. No worries about the biasing as it will bias right up.

How's that for some tube info?

Bobbo · 10-07-2009, 09:17 PM

MartyStrat54 · 10-07-2009, 09:26 PM

Oh no. An ad disguised as a post. Please don't do it here.

solarburnDSL50 · 10-07-2009, 09:38 PM

Bobbo · 10-07-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

Oh no. An ad disguised as a post. Please don't do it here.

How do you figure it's an add ??? What am I selling ??? Ehh ??? I just happen to really like tubes !!!!!!!!!!!!! adouchebagsayswhat ..............

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MartyStrat54 · 10-07-2009, 10:39 PM

You know, some of those photos you have posted many times before, here and on the other forums you have been kicked off of. You own any of these tubes, or are these just stock shots? Can you talk the specifics about them? Without cheating online, tell me about the 12AD6. What is it? When and by whom was it made?

whoistheolddouchebag

Oh, we have a new moderator here that is a lot different than Flick 'O Flash. If you want to get obnoxious and fly off the handle, I "will" treat you as SPAM.

jupiter89 · 10-07-2009, 10:58 PM

I really got into the tube thread and learned a lot last week. So here I come back and I see this kind of crap going on. Sounds like an unscrupulous competitor.
I wanted to add a little bit more to my minimal but slowly growing knowledge (and new fascination) on tubes and ask a simple question. When I asked what PI stands for (in V1 position) I was told it is a phase inverter. What actually does that mean as far as why and what happens to a signal at this point ?

MartyStrat54 · 10-07-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jupiter89

I really got into the tube thread and learned a lot last week. So here I come back and I see this kind of crap going on. Sounds like an unscrupulous competitor.
I wanted to add a little bit more to my minimal but slowly growing knowledge (and new fascination) on tubes and ask a simple question. When I asked what PI stands for (in V1 position) I was told it is a phase inverter. What actually does that mean as far as why and what happens to a signal at this point ?

I think you mean V4. I would answer for you, but instead I will turn it over to BOBBO. He can tell you. Bobbo, showtime...you're on. Anyone see Bobbo?

jupiter89 · 10-07-2009, 11:11 PM

Oops - You're right, I did mean V4 = PI. Guess Bobbo is researching. Can't wait that long Marty.

MartyStrat54 · 10-07-2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jupiter89

Oops - You're right, I did mean V4 = PI. Guess Bobbo is researching. Can't wait that long Marty.

I took care of you and sent you a PM.

10-05-2009, 11:05 PM	#1594 (permalink)
Jae Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 261	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? It's about time I made a sig for myself, instead of explaining all the time what my gear is! whew! __________________ AMPLIFIERS: '67 Marshall Superlead Plexi '72 Marshall Superlead 1987x Marshall Plexi JMP Master lead 2204 (50W) Fender Twin Reverb GUITARS: Homemade Eddie Van Halen "Frankenstrat" w original 1959 Gibson PAF 90's Fender Texas Fat Strat Epiphone Les Paul standard

10-06-2009, 01:48 PM	#1601 (permalink)
RiverRatt Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Between Memphis and Nashville Posts: 517	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? Got my little Crate 5 watt combo going. It's a hot little amp. It doesn't seem to care what tubes you throw in it, either. I tried the Mullard ECC83 and a Sylvania 6BQ5 and I couldn't tell that they made much difference. I ended up with a Shugang EL84 and a Tung Sol RI in it.

10-06-2009, 08:32 PM	#1603 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Formerly Phoenix, now north of KC Posts: 2,583	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? Joe...what we were talking about. Here are some Ei 6CA7's in Taiwan and they want $250 for them. You can get Fat Boy Sylvania's for that. 4Pcs. EI 6CA7 / EL34 OO Getter. - eBay (item 290355205932 end time Oct-30-09 19:25:49 PDT) __________________ MARTY 2009 Gibson Explorer-Hell Raising Machine 1989 Fender Strat Plus USA 2008 Fender Tele USA 2004 Schecter Elite w/DiMarzio's TSL100 with custom 4x12 cab. TSL122 with Man 'O War Speakers. TSL602 #1 with JBL D123 Speakers and 602 #2 with Altec 417 Speakers. "Oh so sweet my friends." DSL401 #1 with Red Fang Speaker and 401 #2 with JBL D123 Speaker. Tubes: Let's just say they are NOS that kick ass.

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Bobbo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: N.J. Posts: 206	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? __________________ Over the Pond Guy PAF pickups & M69 rings @ OverthePondGuy@aol.com

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MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Formerly Phoenix, now north of KC Posts: 2,583	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? Oh no. An ad disguised as a post. Please don't do it here. __________________ MARTY 2009 Gibson Explorer-Hell Raising Machine 1989 Fender Strat Plus USA 2008 Fender Tele USA 2004 Schecter Elite w/DiMarzio's TSL100 with custom 4x12 cab. TSL122 with Man 'O War Speakers. TSL602 #1 with JBL D123 Speakers and 602 #2 with Altec 417 Speakers. "Oh so sweet my friends." DSL401 #1 with Red Fang Speaker and 401 #2 with JBL D123 Speaker. Tubes: Let's just say they are NOS that kick ass.

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Bobbo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: N.J. Posts: 206	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? __________________ Over the Pond Guy PAF pickups & M69 rings @ OverthePondGuy@aol.com

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Bobbo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: N.J. Posts: 206	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? __________________ Over the Pond Guy PAF pickups & M69 rings @ OverthePondGuy@aol.com

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Bobbo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: N.J. Posts: 206	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? __________________ Over the Pond Guy PAF pickups & M69 rings @ OverthePondGuy@aol.com

10-07-2009, 10:39 PM	#1616 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Formerly Phoenix, now north of KC Posts: 2,583	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? You know, some of those photos you have posted many times before, here and on the other forums you have been kicked off of. You own any of these tubes, or are these just stock shots? Can you talk the specifics about them? Without cheating online, tell me about the 12AD6. What is it? When and by whom was it made? whoistheolddouchebag Oh, we have a new moderator here that is a lot different than Flick 'O Flash. If you want to get obnoxious and fly off the handle, I "will" treat you as SPAM. __________________ MARTY 2009 Gibson Explorer-Hell Raising Machine 1989 Fender Strat Plus USA 2008 Fender Tele USA 2004 Schecter Elite w/DiMarzio's TSL100 with custom 4x12 cab. TSL122 with Man 'O War Speakers. TSL602 #1 with JBL D123 Speakers and 602 #2 with Altec 417 Speakers. "Oh so sweet my friends." DSL401 #1 with Red Fang Speaker and 401 #2 with JBL D123 Speaker. Tubes: Let's just say they are NOS that kick ass.

10-07-2009, 10:58 PM	#1617 (permalink)
jupiter89 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 38	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? I really got into the tube thread and learned a lot last week. So here I come back and I see this kind of crap going on. Sounds like an unscrupulous competitor. I wanted to add a little bit more to my minimal but slowly growing knowledge (and new fascination) on tubes and ask a simple question. When I asked what PI stands for (in V1 position) I was told it is a phase inverter. What actually does that mean as far as why and what happens to a signal at this point ?

10-07-2009, 11:11 PM	#1619 (permalink)
jupiter89 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 38	Re: Preamp Tubes? - Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How? Oops - You're right, I did mean V4 = PI. Guess Bobbo is researching. Can't wait that long Marty.

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