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Unread 12-09-2011, 03:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What type of cable to use from head to cab?

Hi All,

I use an instrument cab to connect my head to the cab.....I've seen GC use speaker cables.....Which one do you use???? If I'm not mistaken it has to do with cable shielding but I'm not sure which....

On my hybrid Hughes & Kettner combo I always used a guitar cable without any issues, then when I got my DSL50 I switched to an instrument cable as per advice from different sources....

So which one "should I use"?

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Unread 12-09-2011, 03:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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use speaker cables!!!!!!
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Thanks.....

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DAYUM!!!!!!

No matter what kind of amp you use, ALWAYS use proper speaker cables to run from the head to the speaker cabs! NEVER an instrument cable.
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I know.I know..it is a noob type of question, but I was told by a local guitar store to use an instrument cable...Good news is that I don't have the DSL anymore. And I never really played the amp loud...just bedroom levels....And my amp never had issues (thankfully).

I understand now that you guys educated me, so PLEASE resist the urge of slapping me

Anyway, I will buy a "speaker" cable this weekend....My new (used) JVM410h is coming Monday

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Re: What type of cable to use from head to cab?

I've never understood why they in the first place actually would tell you, or even believe such a thing themselves. Isn't it pure logic, speaker cable is what you use for speakers?

But yeah, I would never in my life think that I should use anything other than a speaker cable (even before I had any idea about it my first thought was that you'll certainly use a special cable for it, I would never, ever have thought that one would use a guitar cable, since that (to me) wouldn't make any sense).

Oh, and I'm not trying to pick down on anyone or anything, I'm just saying that we all think very differently, which I'm glad for. I just find it very interesting...
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This is the sort of post' a person with no idea what to post' would post'.

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Speaker cable looks like this.

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I have walked in to music stores and have seen them using instrument cables from the back of a head into a cabinet. I've seen them do it with the impedance selector switches on the wrong setting. Due to years of bad experiences at music stores I always double check everything I am told by a sales person.

The last time was a this past summer. I walked in on a slow Tuesday to check out some effects. I had cash and I had heard that they got in some new Pigtronix effects pedals in the store. I Could have shopped online but I wanted actually to hear them plus it's a good idea to support local business.

So I go to an amp and look in the back and holy crap I still couldn't believe it. These clowns were trying to sell gear and they didn't know how to hook it up. So I tell the guy it was a bad idea to use THAT cable for THAT application. He just looks at me blank so I say it could damage the amp, he says it always worked so it didn't matter. I said I though it would be a good idea if we used a speaker cable from head to cab just while I tested out some pedals because I didn't want anything to happen while I was trying to demo the gear and I wouldn't be held liable.

He said no deal, I said no sale.
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I have walked in to music stores and have seen them using instrument cables from the back of a head into a cabinet. I've seen them do it with the impedance selector switches on the wrong setting. Due to years of bad experiences at music stores I always double check everything I am told by a sales person.

The last time was a this past summer. I walked in on a slow Tuesday to check out some effects. I had cash and I had heard that they got in some new Pigtronix effects pedals in the store. I Could have shopped online but I wanted actually to hear them plus it's a good idea to support local business.

So I go to an amp and look in the back and holy crap I still couldn't believe it. These clowns were trying to sell gear and they didn't know how to hook it up. So I tell the guy it was a bad idea to use THAT cable for THAT application. He just looks at me blank so I say it could damage the amp, he says it always worked so it didn't matter. I said I though it would be a good idea if we used a speaker cable from head to cab just while I tested out some pedals because I didn't want anything to happen while I was trying to demo the gear and I wouldn't be held liable.

He said no deal, I said no sale.
What a stupid ****!
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I had some special cables made up. I think it's either 10 or 8 Gauge Stranded low oxygen solid copper:



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Dude...that is a big picture of a really sweet cable!

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Damn Twin, battery cable. That is good for 6000 watts. What are you powering up?

Well that beats lamp cord and is definitly better than instrument cable for speaker connections.
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Yep. And I've never ONCE mistaken it for an instrument cable.

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<Removing cork from nose> Sniff...hey Twin, what are the tonal characteristics of your special speaker cable?

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This is the exact cable I use! Don't know if it sounds better..probably not, but it sure looks cool!
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I have some of those too (12AWG). I use them for my 15" loaded cabinet.
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Twin wins

The only thing that is going to knock that off is friggin jumper cable speaker wires.
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No wait... that is jumper cable wire
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Screw you guys, I'm going to procure some welding cable
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$10 bucks at my local store, well made in the USA, good cables.
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<Removing cork from nose> Sniff...hey Twin, what are the tonal characteristics of your special speaker cable?

They are COMPLETELY Transparent.

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What is that a powerline cable?

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Maybe I'm missing something, but what is the difference between guitar cables and instrument cables? I've just used the terms interchangeably...
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A guitar cable has been designed to carry VERY small voltages across the line, allowing for the relatively tiny signal comming from your guitar to be heard by the amp's input. There's a very good reason that amps have two amplifier stages. The signal comming out of your guitar is so tiny, that it needs to be boosted in the pre-amp stage BEFORE the amp can even do simple stuff, like EQ mixing.

A speaker cable, on the other hand, was made to carry high-amp, larger voltage signals in order to drive the speakers...as the amp has to push ALL of the power necessary to run those speakers. When was the last time you saw a power cable being run to a speaker cabinet? Exactly. The cab itself has no power. The speakers need power to run. Where does it get the power? From the amp.

Knowing this, that means that if you try to push that much power through the guitar cable, not only will you risk melting the leads going through it, the much higher impedance of the guitar cable will feedback through to the amp's power-amp section...potentially frying that part. It's trying to push X amount of power through a cable that simply won't let it.

Guitar cables are also typically shielded so as to reduce picking up any ambient signals, since the signal from your guitar is so weak anyway. Speaker cables, on the other hand, have much higher power levels and are not nearly as prone to interferance as a result.

I saw a set of Impedances for a typical amp. We all know that on the back of the JVM, you have 5 jacks: 1x16ohm, 1x8ohm/2x16ohm, and 1x4ohm/2x8ohm. Well, did you know that the average ohm rating for the INPUT jack is close to 1-million ohms?

Yeah, don't use a guitar cable for your speakers. Just a really bad idea.
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