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Unread 12-03-2011, 04:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How long do you warm up your tubes before switch on your amp?

I have a TSL and noticed that if I turn the amp on before letting the tubes get hot I get a horrible white noise that won't go away and results in no output from the guitar....just a waterfall water sound and nothing else.

On the other hand, if I let the tubes warm up for 4-5 minutes before taking the amp off standby I have no problems whatsoever....great tone, no problems, everything is perfect.

The tubes are the problem...already swapped them. It really isn't even an issue as long as I wait a few minutes for the tubes to get hot before I start playing.

I this normal? Is that just how long it takes or is something wrong with my amp?
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I this normal? ?
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You likely have a bad contact that becomes good again when the heat from the tubes expands the metal. Sooner or later your amp may fail; if you can check the solder connections yourself or bring it to a tech it might be a good idea.

An amp should warm up in under 30 seconds to make a sound. There's no drama associated with it.

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You likely have a bad contact that becomes good again when the heat from the tubes expands the metal. Sooner or later your amp may fail; if you can check the solder connections yourself or bring it to a tech it might be a good idea.

An amp should warm up in under 30 seconds to make a sound. There's no drama associated with it.

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+1. Its probably a bad contact that becomes good with the heat. You should get that checked out. I usually let my amp warm up for around 2 - 5 minutes while I warm up and let it cool down for a minute or two after turning it off.
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Re: How long do you warm up your tubes before switch on your amp?

At least two minutes to warm up.
At least two minutes to cool down.

I am a firm believer that if the standby switch is there, why not make use of it.
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Re: How long do you warm up your tubes before switch on your amp?

Not normal at all. My Legacy did that a few months back and I didn't do anything about it immediately. Bad move cos it cost me a few SGRs and two red-plated tubes.

My tech said that a few of the components were on its last legs and were acting up when the amp heated up.
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Re: How long do you warm up your tubes before switch on your amp?

standby's there for tube life when NOT playing. if that is unclear you can get proper info on here in the tech section, from any major amp maker or electronics site but, to each their own there.
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as far as your amp goes no it's not normal take it to a take and for warming up the tubes....again it's only needed for more than 60 seconds IF your amp is stored in a non heated environment in the winter as glass tubes and heat makes breakage.
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The book on my new amp recommends 4 mins. warmup on standby for the "best tube life"
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Re: How long do you warm up your tubes before switch on your amp?

I usually turn on my amp, put my strap on my Les Paul, tune up and then standby on. Takes couple minuits give or take. I need a new indicator light bulb tho because mine is burned out lol.
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I have a TSL and noticed that if I turn the amp on before letting the tubes get hot I get a horrible white noise that won't go away and results in no output from the guitar....just a waterfall water sound and nothing else.

On the other hand, if I let the tubes warm up for 4-5 minutes before taking the amp off standby I have no problems whatsoever....great tone, no problems, everything is perfect.

The tubes are the problem...already swapped them. It really isn't even an issue as long as I wait a few minutes for the tubes to get hot before I start playing.

I this normal? Is that just how long it takes or is something wrong with my amp?
I agree with diesect. I usually turn both switches on at the same time. I like hearing the fade-in. It usually takes 10 or 15 seconds to start producing sound. If I leave the amp unattended for more than a minute or two, I put it on standby.

Anybody old enough to remember the old black & white all-tube televisions? They didn't have a standby switch. Neither did hi-fi sets and radios. It certainly doesn't hurt anything if you want to use the standby switch, though. If it makes you feel safer then by all means do it.

Macro, you said you already swapped the tubes. Did you change all of them or just the preamp tubes or the power tubes? I've had noisy 12AX7's that had to get really hot before they quiet down and sound right.
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I agree with diesect. I usually turn both switches on at the same time. I like hearing the fade-in. It usually takes 10 or 15 seconds to start producing sound. If I leave the amp unattended for more than a minute or two, I put it on standby.

Anybody old enough to remember the old black & white all-tube televisions? They didn't have a standby switch. Neither did hi-fi sets and radios. It certainly doesn't hurt anything if you want to use the standby switch, though. If it makes you feel safer then by all means do it.

Macro, you said you already swapped the tubes. Did you change all of them or just the preamp tubes or the power tubes? I've had noisy 12AX7's that had to get really hot before they quiet down and sound right.
Well I mean it doesn't hurt to do it if it increases the longevity of the tubes. Thats why I do it
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I don't use the Standby as the Vox is Tube Rectified, so I guess the answer is ZERO minutes.

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Re: How long do you warm up your tubes before switch on your amp?

I've just never worried about tube life that much, especially with NOS power tubes. Most of the old ones are easily good for 3,000 to 5,000 hours if you maintain your amp. That means if you play an hour a day every day of the year, you could expect at the very minimum 10 to 15 years of tube life.
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Tubes contain moving electrons. These electrons do not move in a cold tube. The standby switch allows the heaters to heat the electrons in the tube before they are put into "play mode". Turning the amp on without using standby is about equal to pouring hot water on your windshield to defrost it when it's covered in ice. The electrons are "shocked" into use and fall dead and lifeless. The less electrons moving in the tube, the less efficient it will work, the less volume you will get and so on and so forth. Eventually the tube will cease to function.

So in short, the standby protects the life of your output tubes and doesn't have an effect on the amp. Since tube amps don't work without tubes I use the standby in every case. 30 seconds is the bare minimum you really need to let it warm up. Out of habit most players will turn the amp on and hang out for a minute or two before going right into "play mode". That is a safe practice.

There is absolutely no need in letting the amp "cool down" in standby. Off is off.
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I like my tubes hot, so I'll turn on my amp and let it sit on standby for "a while"....after reading some comments here, I have to ask: Is this bad for the amp?...I have done this with every tube amp I've ever owned and not ever had any kind of problem...The obvious to me would be to reduce tube life....
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first thing i set up is my head so i can turn it on straight away and let it warm up as i set my pedals and guitar up so probably id say roughly 10min warm up

i also leave the amp totally off for at least 10mins(longer if possible) to cool down b4 i move my amp after finished playing i dont like to feel any heat coming from it when i put the cover on her or take her out to my car(worried about the hot tubes hitting the outside air)
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Re: How long do you warm up your tubes before switch on your amp?

Thanks for the replies guys. A little while ago I turned the amp on and only gave it maybe a minute or two and had no issues. The white noise sounds happens intermittently, and I have suspected a loose solder joint that expands when the tubes get hot. Maybe tomorrow I will pull the board out and go over it with my glasses on.
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I like my tubes hot, so I'll turn on my amp and let it sit on standby for "a while"....after reading some comments here, I have to ask: Is this bad for the amp?...I have done this with every tube amp I've ever owned and not ever had any kind of problem...The obvious to me would be to reduce tube life....
it's not "bad" but, you're wearing the tubes if the amp's on. I sit here like right now and type with my amp on and standby off. when i'm on here i'm practicing so i'm letting it run all the time,lol. it just uses the tubes but, it won't hurt your amp at all.
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I agree with diesect. I usually turn both switches on at the same time. I like hearing the fade-in. It usually takes 10 or 15 seconds to start producing sound. If I leave the amp unattended for more than a minute or two, I put it on standby.

Anybody old enough to remember the old black & white all-tube televisions? They didn't have a standby switch. Neither did hi-fi sets and radios. It certainly doesn't hurt anything if you want to use the standby switch, though. If it makes you feel safer then by all means do it.

Macro, you said you already swapped the tubes. Did you change all of them or just the preamp tubes or the power tubes? I've had noisy 12AX7's that had to get really hot before they quiet down and sound right.
this. 'nuff said.
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At least two minutes to warm up.
At least two minutes to cool down.

I am a firm believer that if the standby switch is there, why not make use of it.
But you know that on standby the tubes aren't getting any colder (hell, you are using it to warm them up) so why wait before turning the amp off? Or did you mean something different while writing "two minutes to cool down"?


Nevermind, I guess you meant 2 mins before moving the amp.
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Thats another thing to remember, make sure to let the amp stay for at least a few minutes after turning it off before moving it
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Thats another thing to remember, make sure to let the amp stay for at least a few minutes after turning it off before moving it
Glad I got it right (about no need to wait before turning it off, but waiting before moving it). I feel kinda safer now.
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There is no proof that warming up a tube by leaving the amp in stand by has any benefit. If the heaters are hot enough to excite the electrons in the tube, it will operate. Period. You cant "shock" electrons in to use.

As River Ratt said, for years, TV's, stereos and yes, amps, did not even have a stand by switch.

By way of direct example - I recently re-tubed an early 80's Laney AOR for a friend that came stock without a stand by switch. It has seen regular use since 1987. I pulled the stock tubes out of it this year. They were still operating after 27 years of regular use WITHOUT a warm up period. If turning on the amp with out a stand by "warm up" period was harmful to the tubes, his stock tubes would have failed years ago.

I have also seen tubes fail after only a couple of years even with using the warm up / stand by method.

If it makes you feel better to warm up your tubes, go ahead. It's certainly not hurting anything (unless your warming them up or leaving them idle for excessive time periods). But there is no proof that you are extending the life of your tubes by doing so.
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I usually turn on my amp, put my strap on my Les Paul, tune up and then standby on. Takes couple minuits give or take. I need a new indicator light bulb tho because mine is burned out lol.
What amp model do you have? I was able to pull the red power switch for my Lead 12 out far enough to pull the switch apart, find the broken line and resolder it so the light worked again...all without having to remove a single wire from the switch in the first place. But I found that out AFTER I got the replacement switch. Oh well, if the switch goes out, I'll always have a replacement handy, I guess.
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Is it bad if I plug in my guitar and can't notice if the amp is on or off?
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Is it bad if I plug in my guitar and can't notice if the amp is on or off?
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Some tube "experts" claim that leaving valves on standby for long periods of time cause the emitted electrons to bombard the other plates and cause deterioration in them. I don't know whether this is a factor in valve life or not. There is a lot of myth on the Interweb.
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I have an older tube stereo, no stanby, if the reciever is on you can hear tubes kicking in.

Lots of tubes were used in mobile equipment while operating, with means they were thrown around a lot more than your amp.
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standby's there for tube life when NOT playing. .
I'm actually not even sure it does that...I have a hunch it's a placebo switch. That being said, I still put the amp on standby between sets, and turn it on after the power switch and off before the power switch. Old habits die hard.

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