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Unread 08-08-2011, 02:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Home amp for Trower tones?

Hi guys,

I need an amp for home use and recording that will get me close to the Robin Trower 'What lies Beneath' tones. He used a signature Cornell amp that was based on the Cornell Plexi 18/20 amp.

Now, I dont have loads of cash, so under a grand would be good. I was looking at the DSL40s to VMs (but the VM isnt a good home amp, needs cranking).

What do you guys think would be a good choice I can go demo?

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Unread 08-08-2011, 07:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Home amp for Trower tones?

Come on dudes, give Dan some help, he's doing it right!
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Unread 08-08-2011, 08:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Home amp for Trower tones?

The Vintage Modern will definitely get you there, but any amp you get is going to have to be turned up louder than bedroom levels. I've even read where Trower says that he can't get his tone without "moving some air".
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Unread 08-08-2011, 09:10 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The Vintage Modern will definitely get you there, but any amp you get is going to have to be turned up louder than bedroom levels. I've even read where Trower says that he can't get his tone without "moving some air".

Exactly! You won't get the trower sound with out the volume and sound pressure, his sound is very loud! Robin is currently using the VM on tour and seems to really likes them. You must have robin's Toys: The DejaVibe, fulltone wah, the full drive, RTO overdrive
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Re: Home amp for Trower tones?

The VM is what Robin uses today, in fact his rig now will consist of using 3 VM combos set differently. You can definitely use a VM at home within reason. PM me if you want Robins settings for that amp, I have them.

Robin has one of the top 5 tones in music today IMO, but the Fulltone overdrive with the VM is import to have if you are not going to push the master.
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I would also highly recommend the VM. Any tube amp sounds better cranked but the VM sounds pretty darn good at lower volumes. While living in a condo last year, I was in search of low wattage amp that could get good tones at lower volumes. I first bought an Egnator Tweaker and then an Orange TT. Not satisfied with the low volume tones of either amp I returned them and bought my new 50watt VM from Sam Ash for $900 (close out price). The VM has now become my most used amp even after recently moving into my new single family home where I can crank the amp when the wife’s away. I can get real close to Robin Trower tones (If could only play like Robin) with the VM, my Strat, and an OCD pedal on the LDR setting and also straight through the amp on the HDR setting without a pedal.
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Re: Home amp for Trower tones?

The best amp tone I have heard at "bedroom levels" is from the 12 watt Fargen Mini Plex2. That amp also will do Trower and is one of the top bedroom level amps on the market. I have the 25 watt Olde 800 and that one would work also although it does not have the power scaling. Not cheap though.
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Re: Home amp for Trower tones?

I prefer the old Trower sound from about 1974 or so. So I use my 68' 1987 50 or the 20 watt custom build I did a few months back for the main amp. then I have two home built Rangemasters that I modded the circ a bit, a home built Univibe and two EH Electric Mistress chorus/Flanger and a Mutron Wah pedal. Lots of fun!
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Re: Home amp for Trower tones?

Thanks for the replies guys - i really need to go demo the VM then. I also had in mind the Cornell Plexi 7, RT used the 18/20 version on a couple of albums. I have the pedals, just need the amp ;-)

At the moment I have the Orange TT but it really lacks the clarity for this.
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Thanks for the replies guys - i really need to go demo the VM then. I also had in mind the Cornell Plexi 7, RT used the 18/20 version on a couple of albums. I have the pedals, just need the amp ;-)

At the moment I have the Orange TT but it really lacks the clarity for this.


the tiny terror is never going to cut the Trower sound,
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I can't add to the suggestions but want to say that if Trower tours close to your town do yourself the favor and see him live. He has one of the greatest tones you will ever hear.
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I can't add to the suggestions but want to say that if Trower tours close to your town do yourself the favor and see him live. He has one of the greatest tones you will ever hear.

74, whats era of Trower tone do you favor?
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Re: Home amp for Trower tones?

He is touring UK this year, im seeing him in October, and yep, definitely one of the best tones ever.
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Best tone. And best "guitar faces." :-) Robin is always playing from his heart and it shows, even in that little clip that Trower74 posted.

I would say that even a Marshall Class5 whacked with a Fulltone OCD or RTO up front would get you pretty close to RT's tone in lower-volume setting (although a C5 can be pretty loud). Get a good wah and a 'vibe and you're on your way...
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Best tone. And best "guitar faces." :-) Robin is always playing from his heart and it shows, even in that little clip that Trower74 posted.

I would say that even a Marshall Class5 whacked with a Fulltone OCD or RTO up front would get you pretty close to RT's tone in lower-volume setting (although a C5 can be pretty loud). Get a good wah and a 'vibe and you're on your way...
Lol, yeah you have to smile at his faces, but darn what soul he puts in.

I have a good vibe, the Wilson Haze, also a clone of the RT OD pedal, although my wah isnt working right. Its a Vox 847, I tried to replace the switch with a 3PDT but its noisey now...
On my list is the FD2 for sure.

The Class 5: Not one demo on the tube has impressed me...i dont know about that one, but then I have not had a chance to play one yet.

So is the DSL totally the wrong beast for this? i was rooting for it as i can get one used. Bt if it wont and the VM is the one i will have to save hard!
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Exactly! You won't get the trower sound with out the volume and sound pressure, his sound is very loud! Robin is currently using the VM on tour and seems to really likes them. You must have robin's Toys: The DejaVibe, fulltone wah, the full drive, RTO overdrive
I come pretty close using the Deja'Vibe and OCD.
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I come pretty close using the Deja'Vibe and OCD.
I would imagine the RTO is just an OCD modded to Robins taste.
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I would imagine the RTO is just an OCD modded to Robins taste.
It is, it has an output buffer whereras the OCD doesnt for one.
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It is, it has an output buffer whereras the OCD doesnt for one.
Oh cool, I don't know much about Fulltone RTO personally. How is it buffered FET or OPamp?
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Re: Home amp for Trower tones?

VM100 watts with an attenuator (if you must), or the VM50 watts played pretty darn loud. If playing to loud is an issued, you can also look at something like the Haze of Class 5.
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So is the DSL totally the wrong beast for this? i was rooting for it as i can get one used. Bt if it wont and the VM is the one i will have to save hard!
Having owned both, I prefer the VM with the 425 cabinet. The DSL was great for me with classic rock and AC/DC type crunch, but the VM is way more dynamic and responsive and can make a single coil pickup SING. That's something I never felt the DSL could quite pull off. Either amp has its strong points but the VM is the one for me.

I don't know how the prices are in the UK, but if you have the cash you can find some great deals on Marshall heads right now.
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