whats the least expensive all tube head.. - Page 2

wareagle · 12-18-2008, 06:08 PM

ahh, its beautiful up ther.

HOT TUBES 70 · 12-19-2008, 06:39 PM

whats the real story on the AVT series of heads , do the sound ok !!!

steelhorse · 12-19-2008, 06:42 PM

Although they're hybrid I still think they sound pretty groovy

wrathchild1 · 12-20-2008, 01:20 AM

There is a ton of cheap good sounding amps.

Laney Pro tube( pre AOR)
Red bear MK60( point to point amp!!!)
Peavey VTM
Peavey ultra plus
Sovtek
DSL401

Rypsolisti · 12-20-2008, 11:08 AM

I would recommend an old Carvin X100B. They'r really great sounding amps and very cheap, I've even seen half stacks go for like 400$. I bought my X50B, which is the 50w version, for 400 euros and I've been really happy with it. It doesn't feel like a cheap amp at all, very well build. People describe it as a hot rodded JCM800.

stock_hippie · 12-20-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rypsolisti

I would recommend an old Carvin X100B. They'r really great sounding amps and very cheap, I've even seen half stacks go for like 400$. I bought my X50B, which is the 50w version, for 400 euros and I've been really happy with it. It doesn't feel like a cheap amp at all, very well build. People describe it as a hot rodded JCM800.

Rypsolisti...ILL CHECK EBAY...THANKS

stock_hippie · 12-20-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

whats the real story on the AVT series of heads , do the sound ok !!!

AVThead ...played one in kona 2 days ago...its enuff amp for this guy for a long time...i loved it...the Marshall design amazes me...hope you can feedback you VM experience soon!!merry Christmas!!

HOT TUBES 70 · 12-20-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by steelhorse

Although they're hybrid I still think they sound pretty groovy

could you gig with a AVT 50 head ?

steelhorse · 12-20-2008, 11:29 PM

I think you could.

MKB · 12-21-2008, 10:04 AM

Perhaps the cheapest new all tube guitar amp ever:

Buy Crate V Series V18-212 18W 2x12 Tube Guitar Combo Amp - Scratch 'n' Dent | Tube Combo Amps | Musician's Friend

MF had the 1X12 version a few months ago for $125. It was a very good amp, but a bit heavy with its chipboard cab. The design is like a JCM800 Master Volume amp but with more gain range and EL84's.

The cheapest all tube Marshall amps (or at least ones with tube output stages) are either the 9000 series rack mount preamps and power amps, and the JCM900 heads. But the JCM900's are climbing in value.

FWIW, JCM800 solid state amps are fairly inexpensive still, and are very good amps.

stock_hippie · 12-21-2008, 11:05 AM

thanks MKB...>>JCM800 solid state amps>>
i dont think i know what solid state JCM 800 amps are...a 1986 Marshall Mosfet?...just that ive heard that one sounds very 800...thanks ahead.btw...whats your favorite jcm 900?

sinrman68 · 02-09-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mmorse

Egnater has the Rebel. Bogner has the Alchemist but it's not really cheap. Blackstar has just introduced the HT-5 which is supposed to be killer but it's only 5 watts.

An Ampeg VL502 (Lee Jackson designed) goes for around $450 these days and they can be dialed in to sound like hot rodded JCM 800s. It's a channel switcher with built in attenuator.

If you go used shopping, you could get a deal. I bought a Ampeg VL-1002 for 75.00 at a pawnshop...150.00in repair time and some new powertubes and this was the cat's ass!!! The Bugera is a chinese copy of the Peavey-the 6260 is a copy of the original 5150, the 6262...a 5150II or 6550, and the 333 is a XXX copy. There are quality issues that plague them, but they sound sweet. The Windsor is a chinese copy of an american peavey!

My suggestions-Crate Stealth or Blue Voodoo you can find these under 350.00 Peavey VTM or Butcher, used B-52...hmmm

Rypsolisti · 02-10-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sinrman68

If you go used shopping, you could get a deal. I bought a Ampeg VL-1002 for 75.00 at a pawnshop...150.00in repair time and some new powertubes and this was the cat's ass!!! The Bugera is a chinese copy of the Peavey-the 6260 is a copy of the original 5150, the 6262...a 5150II or 6550, and the 333 is a XXX copy. There are quality issues that plague them, but they sound sweet. The Windsor is a chinese copy of an american peavey!

My suggestions-Crate Stealth or Blue Voodoo you can find these under 350.00 Peavey VTM or Butcher, used B-52...hmmm

Yeah, those Bugeras aren't bad at all. My band mate has the combo version of 333XL and it sounds really good. The quality could be better, for example the knobs feel cheap but otherwise it's nice.

HOT TUBES 70 · 02-11-2009, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rypsolisti

Yeah, those Bugeras aren't bad at all. My band mate has the combo version of 333XL and it sounds really good. The quality could be better, for example the knobs feel cheap but otherwise it's nice.

how would you rate the tone ??

stock_hippie · 02-11-2009, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

how would you rate the tone ??

BUghera....??
never heard!!!

mmorse · 02-11-2009, 01:01 PM

I just picked up the 333xl head. Not up there with my 2204 by any means but not a bad amp for the money. It can be a bit fizzy sounding at lower volumes as most high gain amps are but, put some better tubes in it, and turn it up a bit and it can sound rather nice. The clean channel is quite usable and the crunch channel is the best channel IMO. The gain channel can be a bit problematic if you are more a classic rock guy like me. All three channels have separate EQ and volume controls. The 2 gain channels also have gain control and there is a universal master volume for all three channels plus a universal presence control. Amp also has a loop and built in reverb.

HOT TUBES 70 · 02-11-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mmorse

I just picked up the 333xl head. Not up there with my 2204 by any means but not a bad amp for the money. It can be a bit fizzy sounding at lower volumes as most high gain amps are but, put some better tubes in it, and turn it up a bit and it can sound rather nice. The clean channel is quite usable and the crunch channel is the best channel IMO. The gain channel can be a bit problematic if you are more a classic rock guy like me. All three channels have separate EQ and volume controls. The 2 gain channels also have gain control and there is a universal master volume for all three channels plus a universal presence control. Amp also has a loop and built in reverb.

heve you seen the new ones that where released a the NAMM show ,
total marshall copies!!!!

mmorse · 02-11-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

heve you seen the new ones that where released a the NAMM show ,
total marshall copies!!!!

Yes I did. A plexi and a 900 clone.

Rypsolisti · 02-12-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

how would you rate the tone ??

I only tried it with my friends setups and with his guitar so I can't comment too much. It didn't sound that great but pretty good at least. As Mmorse commented it was a bit fizzy sounding but I didn't crank it up so that probably explains it. Definitely a great amp and it has a lot of gain and I mean a lot! My friend who plays very heavy stuff, like Killswitch Engage, In Flames, Death, said that the lead channel might have a bit too much gain.

mmorse · 02-12-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rypsolisti

I only tried it with my friends setups and with his guitar so I can't comment too much. It didn't sound that great but pretty good at least. As Mmorse commented it was a bit fizzy sounding but I didn't crank it up so that probably explains it. Definitely a great amp and it has a lot of gain and I mean a lot! My friend who plays very heavy stuff, like Killswitch Engage, In Flames, Death, said that the lead channel might have a bit too much gain.

What I did was dump the Sovtek pre tubes it comes with and changed from 34s to 6l6s. I keep the gain in both gain channels rather low, crank up the master a bit and use the individual channel volumes to control overall volume. That helps to minimize the fizzies at lower volumes. It's not a world beater by any means but it does offer decent tone and quite a bit of versatility at a low price.

HOT TUBES 70 · 02-12-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mmorse

Yes I did. A plexi and a 900 clone.

i would be interested in hearing one of those bad boys !!!!!

mike sicowitz · 02-13-2009, 04:29 PM

Hi all,
My buddy is a Peavey dealer. I have taken many home for the weekend and took them back and told him what I thought. Although they have changed a bit--the peavey 30 is great--or it was. It looks different than a couple years ago. In fact most of the Peavey stuff is just as good and a lot less cash. I just traded in a Musicman HD130 for another LP. Those suckers sing and take a beating, but I like the Peavey for a newer amp--the 30 used is about $275-or so--with an out for a cab. I had one also that was a copy of Fender tweeds. What a steal--I got that for $350 with 50 watts 2x12. What more do you need?
Mike

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wrathchild1 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 54	Re: whats the least expensive all tube head.. There is a ton of cheap good sounding amps. Laney Pro tube( pre AOR) Red bear MK60( point to point amp!!!) Peavey VTM Peavey ultra plus Sovtek DSL401

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Rypsolisti Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 132	Re: whats the least expensive all tube head.. I would recommend an old Carvin X100B. They'r really great sounding amps and very cheap, I've even seen half stacks go for like 400$. I bought my X50B, which is the 50w version, for 400 euros and I've been really happy with it. It doesn't feel like a cheap amp at all, very well build. People describe it as a hot rodded JCM800.

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steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,886	Re: whats the least expensive all tube head.. I think you could. __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

12-21-2008, 10:04 AM	#40 (permalink)
MKB Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 203	Re: whats the least expensive all tube head.. Perhaps the cheapest new all tube guitar amp ever: Buy Crate V Series V18-212 18W 2x12 Tube Guitar Combo Amp - Scratch 'n' Dent \| Tube Combo Amps \| Musician's Friend MF had the 1X12 version a few months ago for $125. It was a very good amp, but a bit heavy with its chipboard cab. The design is like a JCM800 Master Volume amp but with more gain range and EL84's. The cheapest all tube Marshall amps (or at least ones with tube output stages) are either the 9000 series rack mount preamps and power amps, and the JCM900 heads. But the JCM900's are climbing in value. FWIW, JCM800 solid state amps are fairly inexpensive still, and are very good amps.

12-21-2008, 11:05 AM	#41 (permalink)
stock_hippie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 626	Re: whats the least expensive all tube head.. thanks MKB...>>JCM800 solid state amps>> i dont think i know what solid state JCM 800 amps are...a 1986 Marshall Mosfet?...just that ive heard that one sounds very 800...thanks ahead.btw...whats your favorite jcm 900?

02-11-2009, 01:01 PM	#46 (permalink)
mmorse Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 122	Re: whats the least expensive all tube head.. I just picked up the 333xl head. Not up there with my 2204 by any means but not a bad amp for the money. It can be a bit fizzy sounding at lower volumes as most high gain amps are but, put some better tubes in it, and turn it up a bit and it can sound rather nice. The clean channel is quite usable and the crunch channel is the best channel IMO. The gain channel can be a bit problematic if you are more a classic rock guy like me. All three channels have separate EQ and volume controls. The 2 gain channels also have gain control and there is a universal master volume for all three channels plus a universal presence control. Amp also has a loop and built in reverb.

02-13-2009, 04:29 PM	#52 (permalink)
mike sicowitz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: wauwatosa, wisconsin Posts: 133	Re: whats the least expensive all tube head.. Hi all, My buddy is a Peavey dealer. I have taken many home for the weekend and took them back and told him what I thought. Although they have changed a bit--the peavey 30 is great--or it was. It looks different than a couple years ago. In fact most of the Peavey stuff is just as good and a lot less cash. I just traded in a Musicman HD130 for another LP. Those suckers sing and take a beating, but I like the Peavey for a newer amp--the 30 used is about $275-or so--with an out for a cab. I had one also that was a copy of Fender tweeds. What a steal--I got that for $350 with 50 watts 2x12. What more do you need? Mike

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